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Oped by Barnett R. Rubin on NYT here, excerpts below:


President Ashraf Ghani of Afghanistan is taking a risk most leaders would shun: He is proposing to improve Afghanistan’s contentious relations with Pakistan in the hope of paving the way toward both peace with the Taliban and regional economic cooperation. Much of the Afghan public is skeptical, because Pakistan has long treated Afghanistan like a client state. Mr. Ghani will need to show results fast.

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Mr. Ghani is hoping the Pakistani government will respond to his efforts by curtailing the military capacity of the Afghan Taliban, whose leaders have sought refuge in Pakistan, and pressing them into entering negotiations with the Afghan government and eventually giving up their armed struggle. The objective is to make the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan more open and more secure and then help “connect South Asia to Central Asia,” as Mr. Ghani put it during his first trip to Pakistan last fall.


“Alone we can strive,” he said, addressing a group of Afghan and Pakistani business leaders, “Together we will thrive, and let’s thrive together.”

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Mr. Ghani has also offered Pakistani investors generous access to Afghanistan, including free industrial zones. In November, the Afghan and Pakistani governments agreed to a detailed list of proposals to promote trade, including the opening of 15 new crossing points along their shared border, even though Afghanistan has long disputed its legitimacy.

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When I visited Pakistan last month, I was amazed at the change of attitude expressed by Afghan and Pakistani officials alike. I have worked on the region for over three decades — including as adviser to the U.N. special representative of the secretary general for Afghanistan in 2001 and as adviser to the U.S. State Department’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2009-2013 — and it was the first time I heard both sides describe the relationship in hopeful terms. The officials said the Pakistani military had told the senior leaders of the Afghan Taliban living in Pakistan that they had to talk to the Afghan government or lose their freedom to operate in Pakistan.

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Pakistan and Afghanistan are neighbours and will remain together whether we like it or not. So we have only two options
1: Either keep bitching and fighting and suffer together and enemy will keep invading afghanistan and Pakistan will in-turn suffer because they are our neighbour

2: Or join hands make peace and thrive together, their military weakness can be overcomed by the help of PA and China .

Live long and prosper
 
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Pakistan and Afghanistan are neighbours and will remain together whether we like it or not. So we have only two options
1: Either keep bitching and fighting and suffer together and enemy will keep invading afghanistan and Pakistan will in-turn suffer because they are our neighbour

2: Or join hands make peace and thrive together, their military weakness can be overcomed by the help of PA and China .

Live long and prosper
According to most people you are going to go for option 3
3. Prop up the Afghan Taliban, regain control of vast swathes of territories, remove the democratically elected Afghan leadership and restart the Kashmir insurgency (dormant since 9/11).
 
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According to most people you are going to go for option 3
3. Prop up the Afghan Taliban, regain control of vast swathes of territories, remove the democratically elected Afghan leadership and restart the Kashmir insurgency (dormant since 9/11).

And who are those option 3 guys name few of them ...... Gani has full support of Pakistan military and Govt
 
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And who are those option 3 guys name few of them ...... Gani has full support of Pakistan military and Govt
We'll see about that after complete withdrawal in 2016.
Option 3 guys includes everyone apart from the Ghani administration and deluded Pakistanis. Nobody takes your claim of 'won't separate bitweeen guud aand bad atankwadi (anymore:haha:)' seriously.
 
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According to most people you are going to go for option 3
3. Prop up the Afghan Taliban, regain control of vast swathes of territories, remove the democratically elected Afghan leadership and restart the Kashmir insurgency (dormant since 9/11).

And India will resume option 1. Prop up drug lords, ethnic mass-murderers and tribal leaders, regain control of vast swathes of territories, support a corrupt Afghan government with ties to high-profile criminals and traffickers and continue to cry wolf.
Quit whining about Afghanistan. I don't hear you complaining about the Iranians or the Chinese or your own government for its support of equally barbaric organisations.
 
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We'll see about that after complete withdrawal in 2016.
Option 3 guys includes everyone apart from the Ghani administration and deluded Pakistanis. Nobody takes your claim of 'won't separate bitweeen guud aand bad atankwadi (anymore:haha:)' seriously.

So this is just another random fart from another random dot head
 
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Pakistan army is the biggest hurdle for the piece in Afghanistan
 
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Pakistan army is the biggest hurdle for the piece in Afghanistan

Aaah my dear welcome to our Pakistani Defense Forum.

And, no, the biggest hurdle to peace in Afghanistan is not the Pakistani Army but the Afghan people who share your mindset that the Pakistani Army is the biggest hurdle to peace in Afghanistan. Sadly the Afghans are not alone in such disillusion - Pakistanis seem to suffer from similar hallucinations that India, Amreeka and Israel are out to get em.

Afghans need to understand realpolitik:
  1. Afghans subsist on an umbilical from Pakistan (and Iran to a lesser extent)
  2. 50,000 Afghans cross into Pakistan daily for medical treatment, and other needs - yes 10,000 a year (a number that go to Pakistan in a day) fly to India too.
  3. Afghanistan is irrelevant to the world - yes all of humanity bleeds for your people - but so does it for the people of The Republic of Congo
  4. India is only interested in you because you have nuisance utility in goading Pakistan
  5. Possibly the only people who (at large) have some softness for Afghans - genuine softness are sections of the Muslim world: Pakistan (yes Pakistanis again), Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. -- (do you see Endia in this list ? no hmm)
  6. Afghans do not have (and have done nothing to in the last 13 years) to establish an industrial base - you can read my analysis on Afghan American University and how that also reflects on the lack of engineers and technical people Afghanistan produces and has produced in the last century. Name one university of Science and Technology that has produced Alums of worth - The IIT or UETs of Afghanistan - NONE
  7. to extend point 6 - Afghan boast they have 80+ television channel - what I want to point out is that not a single microprocessor, not a single camera or other video equipment is made in Afghanistan - OK you guys have been at war for 40 years (blame Pokiston) - the sadder part is that Afghans will not produce a single microprocessor or similar piece of technology endogenously for another 30 years.
Ghani sab, IMHO, is no friend of Pakistan - he just realizes it that Afghanistan's lungs are, and will remain in Pakistan for several decades.

Realpolitik is like physics, you can ignore Newton's laws on motion - but only at your peril - you can not negotiate with them or bargain with them. Try jumping from the 5th floor = SPLAT!

India as a counter weight to Pakistan or as a friend to Afghanistan is a fantasy that has more in common with a genre of graphic and steamy movies than it does with reality.
 
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Afghanistan is a racist name and Pakistan a true name of a clean country. I think Afghanistan if joins Pakistan will prosper a lot.
 
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The Afghan Taliban have been very quiet as of late, and have only talked of their readiness for talks.

Gani is a nice chap and I hope Pakistan/Afghan relations prosper.
 
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