Ghaher 313 fighter

[King Of Persians]

A modified F-5? How on earth is that plane similar to a F-5?

is is too small, well we already said it needs to get bigger.
And yes, sorry that Iranians make their planes using cardboards and glue.

You think you know better than the people who worked on this plane?
we will fully judge when the end product is shown.

 

[Manticore]

More than a few things wrong with the design..even though this is most likely a mockup.(because if this was a real fighter.. its built more like something from glue and cardboard).

including tiny intakes that will only suffer from airflow issues at high AoA.
Pointless angles below the wing to what look like to be the original idea of fitting intakes below the chines.
Too small to have any meaningful avionics other than a tiny radar...unless off course this is still just a modified F-5 without a relatively larger nose for radar.

Seems to be less practical and more conceptual/show-off.
The Shafagh fighter had a lot more potential and was much more practical and achievable.
http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/fightersSF03.files/shafagh.jpg
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ive posted it in the combat aircraft designs thread ---- this point as well as the fact that the intakes are not only dorsally placed but also might be relatively small in size... meaning the fighter might be a subsonic fighter at the moment just like the f117
[url]http://www.defence.pk/forums/air-warfare/75408-combat-aircraft-projects-designs-index-2nd-post-54.html[/url]

[quote="ANTIBODY, post: 3875287"]the higher you go, lesser the air pressure --- to allow good airflow to the intakes most inlets are not on top.The goal is to have a uniform pressure distribution at the fan face. Except some fighters like F-107A, there are not many fighters with this config--With a dorsal inlet,there is nothing to redirect the flow and you also want to avoid ingesting the thickening boundary layer due to high alpha, or worse yet vortices off the nose--The visibility/ejection might be problematic for the pilot aswell

[IMG]http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/5/7/2144751.jpg

Boeing Bird of Prey

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M-ATF project?

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http://www.mashreghnews.ir/files/fa/news/1391/11/14/269252_745.jpg
ghaher-313[/QUOTE]

[quote="ANTIBODY, post: 3875383"]F117

Tacit Blue
[IMG]http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050317-F-1234P-057.jpg

again, uavs have a smooth / linear flight and they can do with masking off the inlet from ground based radar and payload optimization with dorsal inlet


However I am no engineer either [/QUOTE]

 

[King Of Persians]

As I said, wait for more details such as engine and so on before saying this plane is a F-5 and made of cardboards.

 

[Penguin]

It appears to have neither a gun or gunport nor hardpoints. What weapons is this suppose to carry? If fighter (A2A) it need a gun and missiles. If ground attack, it needs various munitions and hardpoints.

 

[King Of Persians]

I think the intakes are good enough. regarding the question made by penguin.
The DM said it has internal bays, but you wont see those until an actual flight is done.

I don't know when the actual flight will happen.

The person in charge of the project said the wings are collapsed shape to give it better low RCS.

 

[Wright]

From now on please try to find better pretext to make fun of others:

Dassault Rafale:

Ghaer 313:

In a dogfight, I'd bet on the Rafale.

 

[King Of Persians]

That really depends on the radar on this stealth plane and it's missiles.
if they are good then the rafael will get shot down without even knowing this plane is around.

 

[SQ8]

A modified F-5? How on earth is that plane similar to a F-5?

is is too small, well we already said it needs to get bigger.
And yes, sorry that Iranians make their planes using cardboards and glue.

You think you know better than the people who worked on this plane?
we will fully judge when the end product is shown.

Instead of using hormones to reply...use your head(its usually more adept).

And Yes, I do know exactly what the people who worked on this mockup did.. they needed a feel good day..and they have it.
There were better concepts available to HESA but at this stage chest thumping was needed.
Not only is this design more like a hodgepodge of whatever came to the heads of every other tom dick and harry, it also seems like a badly done mockup where the canopy isnt even aligned.

The last fighter Iran came up with is nothing more than a F-5E with twin tails.. and additional wiring for weapons usage from the innermost pylon. That is not the fault of Iranian aerospace design but rather its oblecent and non-existant modern manufacturing capability.
The Shafaq was a golden opportunity for Iran to grab knowhow on better manufacturing techniques but unfortunately for both external and internal reasons it could not capitalize on it.

You may design the next generation of any military equipment but it is all pointless if you cannot(or are denied) manufacture the composite honeycomb or riveting process used in the design. There is only so much one can do with self-reliance unless efforts have been made to advance the underlying manufacturing capability.
All these progressive ideas are nought and akin to programming windows 7 but only having a pentium to run it.
The next logical step for Iran after the Saeqeh should have been something more like the Shafagh to take a step by step learning curve...or even making efforts to modify the F-14 jets for greater lifecycle and greater suvivablity. Trying to show-off a hodgepodge in a PR effort to show that F-22s and T-50's are childs-play is nothing more than making a mockery.. Which is exactly what EVERYONE in the aviation world is doing right now to the Ghaher.

 

[Manticore]

I reckon the modern f117 didnt have a radar and was subsonic -- had different navigation systems though

You cant jump from 3rd gen fighter production capabilty to 5th gen in a single stride .. that too with embargoes --- polishing your 4rth gen projects is a natural step forward

What are the engine options available to iran atm?

 

[King Of Persians]

LMAO no wonder they called the trolls comment "debate", because this is your idea of a debate?
if you want to debate, let me know and I'll point you to the right direction to the right people and we'll see you "use your head".

I need to use my head, this coming from a guy who said this looks like a F-5 and it's made from cardboard.

How the hell are you to judge Iranian projects in aerospace? how do you know shafagh was not made and tested but they decided to leave it? you know all this? then you certainly know alot lol
No offence, but you're just a wanabe, you're acting like you're a professional.
what a joke.

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someone managed to get a picture of it's internal bay.

Thanks for the help but here is something REALLY interesting. THE WEAPONS BAY. This is from the excellent video SuperIranian posted.

 

[Vatoz]

Congratulations to Iran. Looks really great.

My fellow Iranian friends should have some understanding to all the question marks this design brings up.
But I'm shore the scientist have thought about them befor designing that "thing".

Despite all the calmes that its a fighter I think it's some kind of hit and run bomber. The Iranian authorities have said that it has a low flight capabilities, by taking that in mind I can imagine a swarm of these "things" flying just abow waterline on the Persian golf on a hit and run mission on AC or a air base.

Well it's just my f.k up imaginations but lets not forget that Iran are masters of unconventional warfare.

Even if its a muck up and the vid is of a RC its still great to read the news.

 

[King Of Persians]

I reckon the f117 didnt have a radar and was subsonic -- had different navigation systems though


what are the engine options available to iran atm?

well, someone said this uses an Iranian engine but we have to wait and see.
I think perhaps the engine is not ready yet but they uses another engine for testing.

Congratulations to Iran. Looks really great.

My fellow Iranian friends should have some understanding to all the question marks this design brings up.
But I'm shore the scientist have thought about them befor designing that "thing".

Despite all the calmes that its a fighter I think it's some kind of hit and run bomber. The Iranian authorities have said that it has a low flight capabilities, by taking that in mind I can imagine a swarm of these "things" flying just abow waterline on the Persian golf on a hit and run mission on AC or a air base.

Well it's just my f.k up imaginations but lets not forget that Iran are masters of unconventional warfare.

Even if its a muck up and the vid is of a RC its still great to read the news.

Thank you for your comment.

they said the video was a RC plane. first they made an RC plane for testing and then made the big size. I am stil not sure when we will see the big one shown flying.
well it could be used for bombing missions, but for light bombing missions as it is too small to carry alor in it's internal bay.

I reckon the modern f117 didnt have a radar and was subsonic -- had different navigation systems though

You cant jump from 3rd gen fighter production capabilty to 5th gen in a single stride .. that too with embargoes --- polishing your 4rth gen projects is a natural step forward

What are the engine options available to iran atm?

who the hell said this is a fifth gen fighter? this is stealth fighter not a 5th gen fighter.

I don't even know why I reply to these comments lol

 

[Manticore]

who the hell said this is a fifth gen fighter? this is stealth fighter not a 5th gen fighter.

oh the irony

Giovanni de Briganti has defined the defining elements of a fifth generation fighter to be:[30]
Stealth
High maneuverability
Advanced avionics
Networked data fusion from sensors and avionics
Multirole capabilities

I think you wanted to use the term 'stealthy'

 

[Durvag]

the wings airfoil is very thick, so it cannot fly supersonic, its design is for subsonic flying. and I think the engine is not rd-33, it is a bit smaller, but both these make a good lift for this small jet fighter, but the pay load depends on the engine power!
But I think the Iran airforce is looking for cheap and small and stealthy jet fighter...

 

[raptor22]

Its wind tunnel testing :