Ghaher 313 fighter

[Penguin]

Alrighty dummy , every single fighter jet in the world passes the point when there is a need of building down-scaled or/and real scale mock-ups made of any material that is intended by the engineers and experts and scientists of the program .

of course most of the posters here don't know this cause their country didn't build any

here is a wooden mock-up of Canadian F-35

See the Dutch flag on the F-35.

@Penguin

but when it comes to iran - the only muslim country which is actually doing some shyte worth being jealous of - u get all crazy and feel a sudden bowel movement forcing u to post 75 pages of none-sense SHIT and continue posting it ..... .

Uhm, e.g. Turkey?
Defense industry of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Otherwise, no hair of my back: my country is too small to effectively maintain an independent defence industry. The only real ones are naval ship building (LCF/Zeven Provincien), Radar (Thales NL, formerly Signaal), optics (OLDELFT), with the latter two formerly associated with Philips Electronics. After the demise of Fokker, we make only aircraft components for e.g. F-16, F-35. Don't have a problem with that as we are not chestpounding, unlike some. So, no, the joke is actually not on us.

fact is : that we dont get a licence to build a chinese fighter and claim its "iranian" .

There are plenty nations making their own e.g. South Korea (T/F-50), India (LCA), Czech L-159, Japan etc . I'm not from Pakistan, so the remark does not affect me.

fact is : that we have more fighter projects going on than the whole military projects (all together) in the region (which is worth mentioning)

Perhaps, but Iran also has more fake propaganda weapons. That's where the joke is. Something brought on Iran by its own leadership, and that hurt credibility where it concerns other, real achievements.

@Serpentine @kollang @SOHEIL @Gilamard @Ostad @rahi2357 @raptor22 @jack 86000 @hossein9 @New

@iranigirl2 @ResurgentIran

lets laugh together guys

Call your gang, if you need that, I don't care.

that makes it trolling then , since the cockpit of the "said aircraft" is a mock-up , not a real cockpit .

besides the fact that u have spewed this "fact" of yours in the past 75 pages or so

Mock ups are normally to scale i.e. full scale. Are you suggesting the mock up of 313 is NOT to (full) scale?

Prime Minister Tony Abbott with a mock-up of the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter at RAAF base Fairbairn, in Canberra, Australia

Prime Minister Tony Abbott inside the cockpit of an F-35 mock-up.

The $1 trillion F-35 tries to be all things, but succeeds at few, say critics. But is Australia’s new weapon now too big to fail?

 

[That Guy]

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Okay, MOST have been scrapped. I stand corrected.

 

[haman10]

See the Dutch flag on the F-35.

and the point is ?

Uhm, e.g. Turkey?

and ? turkey has a robust and powerful industry , thats being said , they are a part of NATO and most of the projects there are either JV or tech transfer from other countries .

take T-129 as an example .

There are plenty nations making their own

well , does that make them right ? if iran produced F-14 (which we were going to during shah era ) , would that give us the right to call it an "iranian" fighter ?

HECK NO .

besides my sentence was aimed at other ppl

Perhaps

perhaps ? r u kidding me ? u really are trying to deny that BLATANT fact ?

more fake propaganda weapons

name 'em .

Call your gang, if you need that, I don't care.

u really have no idea what mentioning is , do u ?

when u mention sb , u r telling them to read ur post , nothing more .

on a side note , my "gang" would read my post in any sort cause we are posting in iranian section .

even if i didn't mention them

Are you suggesting the mock up of 313 is NOT to (full) scale?

exactly . it was not a full scale model . great changes are expected

maybe @hossein9 @SOHEIL or @Aspahbod can expand on that

 

[SOHEIL]

@Penguin

If you interested , F-313 is close to F-35 in size ... I am not talking about capabilities !

The Shafaq was the last realistic(and rather promising) project to come out of Iran.

Maybe you can't see !

 

[Malik Alashter]

Alrighty dummy , every single fighter jet in the world passes the point when there is a need of building down-scaled or/and real scale mock-ups made of any material that is intended by the engineers and experts and scientists of the program .

of course most of the posters here don't know this cause their country didn't build any

here is a wooden mock-up of Canadian F-35

@Oscar and here is its fiber glass , cockpit of a joke which is built in the exact same way that qaher's mock-up was built

u didnt start to laugh at this did u ?

@Penguin

but when it comes to iran - the only muslim country which is actually doing some shyte worth being jealous of - u get all crazy and feel a sudden bowel movement forcing u to post 75 pages of none-sense SHIT and continue posting it ..... .

fact is : that we dont get a licence to build a chinese fighter and claim its "iranian" .

fact is : that we have more fighter projects going on than the whole military projects (all together) in the region (which is worth mentioning)

future fighters : Azarakhsh , saeghe (latest gen.) , Shafagh , kowsar88 , Gaher , .....

so who knows ? maybe one day this "Mock-up" pulls 12Gs while performing CAP over your sorry tushies?

a pic of Shafagh's cockpit published a couple of days ago by TV :

its really interesting for me that people who spend the most time mocking such a project are the same people who's country is a scene of USAF parade of drones and fighters

the jokes on them isn't it ?


laugh all u want if its of any conciliation to your pains

after 75 pages u r posting the same shit all over - for an smart observer that says a freaking lot .

just in the past couple of days , we had BAVAR-373 unveiled , a couple of cruise missiles , a couple of drones , kowsar88 , PANHA's latest helo , SAYAD missiles capable of tracking BMs , J-90 turofan engine , RD-33 engine (RE) , ............

i wont get into the question "what in the shit ur country has done that u r laughing at iran ? " cause that would be a laughable comparison


PEACE !!

@Serpentine @kollang @SOHEIL @Gilamard @Ostad @rahi2357 @raptor22 @jack 86000 @hossein9 @New

@iranigirl2 @ResurgentIran

lets laugh together guys

Can you please post pictures of all the projects you just mentioned thanks.

 

[kollang]

Basic physics will support that claim. Its called fluid dynamics.. Those intakes will take in less and less air(as if they are not tiny enough) as the angle of attack increases till they can no longer provide sufficient air for the engine which will flame out. So essentially , unless Iran wants a fighter that can only fly like a airliner(much more limited in certain regimes than that).

And enough space to load what!!??
Where will the engine go then? Do you even have an idea of size?

I mean there is patriotism to try and defend something but you guys sound worse than this fellow

I am not going to repeat my words.you didn't provided any fact to support your claim on Qaher's intakes.Intake's size depends on engine type.what you wrote is supposed to blame it's place (intakes are located above the wings) ,not its size.

Qaher's length is estimated to be 13 to 14 metres and that of F-35 is 15.and unlike F-35, Qaher's intakes are located above the wings.so there might be a bigger weapon bay in Qaher.

 

[atatwolf]

What do you mean problem?
It is not a serious project. Whether you look at it from an aerodynamic, Low observable, and operational idea.
The cockpit is not the worst part of the joke, the design of the intakes.. the idea that there will even be weapons hanging off it..inside or outside. Now you are telling me that the fighter that is supposedly the "best" Iran will produce and is to compete with the F-35 has a cockpit based off a trainer?!

This is also a RC model that flies.. lets see if it works in real life too..maybe Iran should build these too.

Go ahead and report all you like, but the qaher-313 is THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE ENTIRE AVIATION INDUSTRY OF THE WORLD.


The Shafaqh is where Iran should concentrate as that is the platform with the most potential to take the Iranian industry forward.. even then Iran is ten years late into that project. Instead of Ahmedinijad gloating over a really bad propaganda idea.. there should have been revealing the first prototype of the Shafagh. But Iranian industry is too busy promoting foolish ideas for the world to laugh at instead of exploiting their true potential.

Bro don't be that harsh. I still feel bad about me cracking down on their national pride the Qaher. But one thing I'm wondering how the hell are they going to place weapons in the Qaher? The thing doesn't have screws and bolds. Are they going to crack it lack a wallnut?

 

[haman10]

Can you please post pictures of all the projects you just mentioned thanks.

brother , some of them are posted in this thread :

Pictures of Iranian Armed Forces | Page 22

but the other ones are :

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10110/86479133158655431847.jpg

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10145/1_28129.jpg

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10104/36128_726.JPG

http://media.farsnews.com/media/Uploaded/Files/Images/1392/05/09/13920509000521_PhotoL.jpg

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10206/Naser_uav.jpg

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10206/blgrd_nZr.jpg

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/44444~1.jpg

http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10206/shhd-125.jpg

these were random pics , if u have any special project in mind , tell me to post its pic

 

[SOHEIL]

All right lads, tone it down pls. This is no place to exchange insults.

What is your idea about FB-44 ?

 

[haman10]

What is your idea about FB-44 ?

the kid has no idea what FB-44 is and what u r talking abt .

u r giving credit to Wikipedia and google

 

[SQ8]

I am not going to repeat my words.you didn't provided any fact to support your claim on Qaher's intakes.Intake's size depends on engine type.what you wrote is supposed to blame it's place (intakes are located above the wings) ,not its size.

Qaher's length is estimated to be 13 to 14 metres and that of F-35 is 15.and unlike F-35, Qaher's intakes are located above the wings.so there might be a bigger weapon bay in Qaher.

So what you are saying is that Qaher has really tiny engines and doesnt really go that fast? so it has smaller intakes..and those too located above the aircraft so that at high angle of attack airflow is obstructed to them?
And because the Intakes are above the aircraft.. there is no need for a duct to let air flow through...and since the engines are really tiny there is enough space for 2000 pound bombs?..

I think I have nothing more to say to you. Clearly, Im debating with a fanatic and not someone who has the slightest clue about aviation or aircraft.

Maybe you can't see !

If the next thing Iran does is like Qaher-313.. I'd rather not waste my time looking at it.

 

[haman10]

I think I have nothing more to say to you. Clearly, Im debating with a fanatic and not someone who has the slightest clue about aviation or aircraft.

posting this for the second time :

alpha angle is specially important during landing and >10G maneuvers like cobra maneuver , For Fvcks sake Gaher is a low-alt bomber not an Air-superiority fighter jet

that being said , iranian engineers managed to increase the alpha angle (angle of attack - AOA or

) of ghaher to 50 degrees . enough to engage any intercepting aircraft and to land in any situation performing desired maneuvers .

sorry to burst ur bubble buddy , but we are not kids here and everybody knows WTF AOA means . the jokes on google . LMAO

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bye non-fanatic moderator which has a lot of clue what aviation and aircraft means

I'd rather not waste my time looking at it.

u have already wasted a lot of your time posting about gaher .

i assume u have ~500 posts abt gaher and abt 60 pages of this thread is posted by pakistanis and arabs

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top intakes serve by making the aircraft heck lot more stealthy - a feature gravely needed for stealth low-alt bomber aircrafts

 

[SOHEIL]

If the next thing Iran does is like Qaher-313.. I'd rather not waste my time looking at it.

If you can't read or understand this sentence : "The thing unveiled was a down scaled mockup"

Don't bother people + yourself !

 

[SQ8]

posting this for the second time :

alpha angle is specially important during landing and >10G maneuvers like cobra maneuver , For Fvcks sake Gaher is a low-alt bomber not an Air-superiority fighter jet

that being said , iranian engineers managed to increase the alpha angle (angle of attack - AOA or

) of ghaher to 50 degrees . enough to engage any intercepting aircraft and to land in any situation performing desired maneuvers .

sorry to burst ur bubble buddy , but we are not kids here and everybody knows WTF AOA means . the jokes on google . LMAO

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bye non-fanatic moderator which has a lot of clue what aviation and aircraft means

You do realize that you essentially only helped me in providing information.. and yes you are all kids in this matter.
Now look at the diagram you posted... the angle of attack also effect the airflow over the aircraft.
Take a look at this.. Whether the Qaher does 50 degrees or 80 degress by Iranian "Brilliance".. what will happen is that the airflow going over the intakes will essentially be disrupted.

So as the Qaher does its 50 degrees.. the cavitation( empty pockets of nothing) around its intakes will reduce the air going into the engines to a point where it starts to starve for air. Once that happens.. the engine will die out.. and your knowledge(which is an insult to the word) of AoA which has told you nothing about that..should tell you if there is some intelligence that without enough air the engine dies...shut off. Leaving the Qaher falling out of the sky. So regardless of whether it can do 50 or 90 degrees.. the Qaher will be unable to do it because its engine will start dying before it even gets there.

If you can't read or understand this sentences : "The thing unveiled was a down scaled mockup"

Don't bother people + yourself !

I can do DAMN well what I want here. It is you who should be careful on this turf.
His sentences have ZERO cohesion or credibility in them just as little as yours do.

Whether it was a scaled down mockup or scaled up mockup or a fibreglass mockup or a wooden quick thing to please Ahmedinijad and allow him to gloat.. the Qaher is a flawed propaganda idea from the get go.

top intakes serve by making the aircraft heck lot more stealthy - a feature gravely needed for stealth low-alt bomber aircrafts

So its a bomber then that has very little capacity for bombs in general?

 

[SOHEIL]

I can do DAMN well what I want here. It is you who should be careful on this turf.
His sentences have ZERO cohesion or credibility in them just as little as yours do.
Whether it was a scaled down mockup or scaled up mockup or a fibreglass mockup or a wooden quick thing to please Ahmedinijad and allow him to gloat.. the Qaher is a flawed propaganda idea from the get go.

Exactly ... you are using our pervious government's failure to please yourself !

Do the damn thing !

I will please myself in the right time ...