Germany slams Saudi Arabia's offer to build mosques for Syrian refugees as ‘cynical’

[Anees]

1 Min Silent to those who Didn't give shelter to refugee who say them self as Brotherhood ..

 

[Dubious]

Let me guess, you would have passed the 2nd grade had you not failed the first one.

Sorry but I dont see the relevance of such a statement!

Yes. But they MOVED ON. Like Philippines, Vietnam, Latin American states, Korea, Japan, China, Germany etc etc.

I believe you didnt read the article.....1 of them was for 2014....Took them awhile to move on...

As for Germany it paid with HEAVY sanctions just like Japan (despite being bombed to hell).

As for the others, I dont think I should be doing your homework, in a discussion other side usually has some form of knowledge!

 

[Azadkashmir]

shady oil rich sheikdoms did not help refugees fleeing. this is the time to say to those countries when it your turn beg Europe/usa not us for help or refuge.

 

[Daneshmand]

You seriously think it is something that need to be TOLD?
Have you not been following how these things are progressing? Muslims are killing Muslims calling them Kafirs. Shia is killing Sunni and Suni is killing Shia,hell there are half a dozen groups within the sunni now fighting each other. If you think there still is need to be TOLD about sectarian motivation, influence and violence then what can i say. It is unfortunate, it is sad but it is all real. This is happening allover the Muslim world now, almost all over.

As for the "Iranian zealots backed by Russian drunkards" it is all about perspective. For some Zionist and US backing is more bad and for others it is that of the Russians. Everyone gets to chose a side, the SAD part is we have created these sides within our self, divided our self into groups and are now going for watch others throat. If you can provide Iranian involvement in Syria Yemen and Iraq and innocence of the Saudis, there will be an equal amount that can prove it the other way around. The thing is it is sad we are doing it among our self. As for the main topic, the Germans are more then capable to giving refuge to these Syrians, they did so, and it wont be a problem for them to build them mosques. They are much better then most of the dumb so called Muslim countries who denied refuge and protection to Muslims at all. Better then the ones killing there own brothers and sisters not even sparing kids like we see happening in Syria or Yemen. Either it be Al Qaeda or ISIS or Taliban or TTP.



Yes i understand that. The Germans are worried a bit about the huge Turkish populations and are more inclined towards Saudi's. Also frankly, i wont mind if Saudi Sunni or Iranian Shia Muslims go there and build a mosque, i wont mind if the Germans do. What i am concerned about is how we are butchering each other and then try to end up looking good and savior of Muslim world by such statements and actions. I would have appreciated if Saudia or Iran or Pakistan or Bangladesh or any Muslim country would have done something to stop this inhuman ISIS and Taliban and TTP. Done something real rather then issuing feel good statements. Anyway, thank you for you post and the detailed information. I appreciate that.

I think we should not forget the core issue here, is the existence and preaching of the ideology of Takfir. If Takfir could be removed, then peace will return. Failure in this regard would mean, a group of Muslims will continue to call for Islamic minorities to be killed and the minorities will have no other choice but to defend themselves.

It is simplistic to call for the end of violence while ignoring the underlying mechanics of it.

 

[Arsalan]

I think we should not forget the core issue here, is the existence and preaching of the ideology of Takfir. If Takfir could be removed, then peace will return. Failure in this regard would mean, a group of Muslims will continue to call for Islamic minorities to be killed and the minorities will have no other choice but to defend themselves.

It is simplistic to call for the end of violence while ignoring the underlying mechanics of it.

The problem is, WHO calls for the following of Takfir? is it something based on religion or is it some twisted set of rules/instructions formulated with a totally political point of view, for me, it always have been the second one. AS for the mechanics of it or the ways to counter it, education is the way to go. Once we get to understand Islam and its actual teachings/values, things will start to improve. The problem is that it is these "teachers" of modern times that have been corrupted and a majority of them have drawn boundaries around them no one dare to cross.

 

[Daneshmand]

The problem is, WHO calls for the following of Takfir? is it something based on religion or is it some twisted set of rules/instructions formulated with a totally political point of view, for me, it always have been the second one. AS for the mechanics of it or the ways to counter it, education is the way to go. Once we get to understand Islam and its actual teachings/values, things will start to improve. The problem is that it is these "teachers" of modern times that have been corrupted and a majority of them have drawn boundaries around them no one dare to cross.

I really do not know. Only a learned scholar of Islam with deep understanding of these issues can definitively answer you. Personally I think it is the first. Though in different Fiqh's of Islam there are varying degrees of emphasis on Takfir. For example in Wahabism, Takfir is a central pillar while in Ismaili Fiqh, it has been discarded altogether similar the Islamic rules for slavery.

Another point I would respectfully disagree with is the emphasis on education. The prime example of which is Pakistan itself. What percentage of Pakistani public used to go to schools in 1950's and what percentage goes now. Which Pakistan was more peaceful? Thousands of European recruits of Isis all had quite good education in West. I think more important would be to address the ideological roles of concepts such as Takfir, Revenge and Slavery in Islam of current world.

 

[Arsalan]

I really do not know. Only a learned scholar of Islam with deep understanding of these issues can definitively answer you. Personally I think it is the first. Though in different Fiqh's of Islam there are varying degrees of emphasis on Takfir. For example in Wahabism, Takfir is a central pillar while in Ismaili Fiqh, it has been discarded altogether similar the Islamic rules for slavery.

And what about the stress of following a particular Fiqh's rule, even more then the general teachings of Islam. This is where is gets politically influenced and this is where things are twisted to supports ones objectives. By education i was not referring to the general education only, the true teaching of Islam, the core values. If the religion forbade torturing even animals which Fiqh's is right in allowing the killing of humans?
About the Europeans joining ISIS, the reasons are different,for them it is more of that "bad ***" image,the adventure more then the need or religiously misled beliefs that get them there.

OH an about scholar, i agree, i am not even a student of this subject but the problem with me is i am not sure which scholar can actually help, can i find someone who will tell about Islam and not Islam of a particular sect? I don't think so. So the best solution perhaps is to read and try to understand Quran, whatever little bit one can.

 

[Penguin]

But like any industry they need money to run there plants .

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