Germany: Outrage grows over footage of police violence

[Ich]

How does kneeling on the neck of two people address the alleged threat from a greater group of people surrounding the police?

Wouldn't such tactics in fact potentially inflame the situation, especially future situations that are similar, where people 'surrounding the police' who have seen such videos are even more angry?

Police is a civilian institution whose job needs to be to build relationships with the community they serve and understand conflict deescalation rather than engage in actions that escalate conflict.

No, not "surrounding" A group of 10 acting riotly and attacked people and property. Then the police came and tried solve the problem. Then this red shirt, not included in the group before, came along and attacked one of the policemen in an attempt to kill him.

So how does it looks now if you know what really happen? And what does it says about the thread opener?

 

[Vortex]

So it would be the best that turks leave Germany to save their lives, dont you think too?

in France, a French from French parents died due to same police’s technic. Do the French need to leave France for their safety ?

here the link on YouTube unfortunately it is in French

 

[Ich]

in France, a French from French parents died due to same police’s technic. Do the French need to leave France for their safety ?

here the link on YouTube unfortunately it is in French

Was he on Fentanyl or did he tried to kill a policemen?

 

[damm1t]

@Ich bin ein dummkopf

 

[Ich]

@Ich bin ein dummkopf

Well, the standard ad hominem.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No, not "surrounding" A group of 10 acting riotly and attacked people and property. Then the police came and tried solve the problem. Then this red shirt, not included in the group before, came along and attacked one of the policemen in an attempt to kill him.

So how does it looks now if you know what really happen? And what does it says about the thread opener?

@dbc
Why can't the knee be on the upper back of the detainee, instead of the neck?

In both cases I see the suspect handcuffed, so what is the justification behind putting such force on an area of the human body likely to cause serious harm?

Further, the issue with US law enforcement, and my comments about law enforcement needing reforms, are meant to try an explain that law enforcement are not a military or para-military occupying an invaded country, but a civilian institution meant to SERVE the community, build relationships with the community and RESPECT the community.

I can't remember the last time I passed a police officer in the US and had him/her smile or say hello to me or anyone else they passed. They literally behave like a bunch of assholes who would rather be feared instead of recognizing that WE pay their salaries with our taxes.

 

[FuturePAF]

So it would be the best that turks leave Germany to save their lives, dont you think too?

Nein. Stay and stand up for yourself, through all legal means. Not one step back.

 

[Ich]

@dbc
Why can't the knee be on the upper back of the detainee, instead of the neck?

In both cases I see the suspect handcuffed, so what is the justification behind putting such force on an area of the human body likely to cause serious harm?

Further, the issue with US law enforcement, and my comments about law enforcement needing reforms, are meant to try an explain that law enforcement are not a military or para-military occupying an invaded country, but a civilian institution meant to SERVE the community, build relationships with the community and RESPECT the community.

I can't remember the last time I passed a police officer in the US and had him/her smile or say hello to me or anyone else they passed. They literally behave like a bunch of assholes who would rather be feared instead of recognizing that WE pay their salaries with our taxes.

I dont care about US.

 

[Ich]

Ha, and the newest i read about it in a forum is that the group of 10 attacked a fast food/döner shop. And the police protected the shop.

 

[Vortex]

Was he on Fentanyl or did he tried to kill a policemen?

nothing of that. Tge was going to finish without problem but then... one policeman said he heard the man insulting... true or false we don’t know but this was the starting point of what happened next.

 

[El Sidd]

This is unprecedented

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I dont care about US.

My discussions with you aren't about the US - I made a broader argument against your comment telling Turkish-Germans to 'leave' and also asked why it was necessary to place a knee on the neck of a suspect that was already handcuffed behind his back and on the ground, instead of their upper back or some other location that would not have the potential of causing serious physical harm.

Alternately, if the goal is to prevent them from getting up, maybe zip-tie their ankles as well as handcuffing them and lay them on the ground. You can't tell me that a knee on the neck or other techniques that can cause physical harm are the only options available to law enforcement.

 

[Ich]

My discussions with you aren't about the US - I made a broader argument against your comment telling Turkish-Germans to 'leave' and also asked why it was necessary to place a knee on the neck of a suspect that was already handcuffed behind his back and on the ground, instead of their upper back or some other location that would not have the potential of causing serious physical harm.

Alternately, if the goal is to prevent them from getting up, maybe zip-tie their ankles as well as handcuffing them and lay them on the ground. You can't tell me that a knee on the neck or other techniques that can cause physical harm are the only options available to law enforcement.

Wrong!

I took the thread openers post seriously and in this post he show the picture that turks are suppresed in germany and are under threat by german police brutallity. So me then asked if leaving germany would be an option and what he thinks about it.

But meanwhile it is clear that the picture that the opening post tried to express - the suppression of turks in germany and the threat against turks in germany through police brutallity - has nothing to do with reallity, is only a personal agenda of the thread opener.

 

[dbc]

@dbc
Why can't the knee be on the upper back of the detainee, instead of the neck?

In both cases I see the suspect handcuffed, so what is the justification behind putting such force on an area of the human body likely to cause serious harm?

Further, the issue with US law enforcement, and my comments about law enforcement needing reforms, are meant to try an explain that law enforcement are not a military or para-military occupying an invaded country, but a civilian institution meant to SERVE the community, build relationships with the community and RESPECT the community.

I can't remember the last time I passed a police officer in the US and had him/her smile or say hello to me or anyone else they passed. They literally behave like a bunch of assholes who would rather be feared instead of recognizing that WE pay their salaries with our taxes.

My own experience with Police around the world has been positive. Except this one time in Dubai, the officer refused to acknowledge my existence and spoke only to my husband. I suspect it was due to his religious beliefs but I didn't lose any sleep over a kerfuffle for a parking spot in Dubai mall.

In the US, my experience with Police officers have always been pleasant. I remember this one time my French cousin was pulled over for speeding and the officer pulled out his gun when my cousin stepped out of the vehicle and approached the officer. I intervened, explained that the driver was a foreigner didn't speak English and we all had a good laugh.

Its a difficult job made even more difficult by the proliferation of guns and substance abuse.
There are no easy answers, I firmly believe that if George Floyd simply followed instructions he would have been alive today.

 

[Dai Toruko]

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