Generals exempted from property tax

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yes they have only died and dedicated only all of their lives to protect you and everyone you love.

Agreed!

We have our own "Vietnam generation" right now. Except that in this case there shouldn't be any moral or ethical questions against fighting the "enemy" (terrorists). So in a sense, our "generation" is worse.

With regards to taxation - I believe the majority of the million or so tax payers we do have are government employees or those who have dealings with the government. The government automatically deducts taxes from their salaries, so I imagine that the salaries of Army personnel are similarly taxed, though I would be in favor of a waiver on that too. My own family has rented out property to the GoP for quite a few years, and taxes are automatically taken out of the lease/rent amount.

Jana can you confirm if military salaries are automatically taxed?

 

[Awaaz]

Yes they have only died and dedicated only all of their lives to protect you and everyone you love.

They have never died for me, nor would i want them to die for me. I fight my own battles and never have taken any support from the administration or the miliatry, nor will i offer them my support. This froum is biased as most memebers here have military background and are very touchy about comments being made about the army. When you keep a dog you expect it to guard your house not run your house and leach its resources like the military has done in the history of pakistan. No sympathy for these soldiers if they die or dont die, when they joined they had an option and knowledge they werent tricked in to joining.

 

[IceCold]

They have never died for me, nor would i want them to die for me. I fight my own battles and never have taken any support from the administration or the miliatry, nor will i offer them my support. This froum is biased as most memebers here have military background and are very touchy about comments being made about the army. When you keep a dog you expect it to guard your house not run your house and leach its resources like the military has done in the history of pakistan. No sympathy for these soldiers if they die or dont die, when they joined they had an option and knowledge they werent tricked in to joining.

There is something seriously wrong with your head. Why all the hate against the army? Why not against the system that we all live in. Remember one thing clear, politicans are the one that brings the army within politics. They just cant see someone running the government and they just keep pushing. Remember NS favoured general Zia and so did all the mullahs that are running their mouths loud for democracy these days. And BB she just wrights a letter to the US president to tell india to make a war like situation on the border and cut all aids to pakistan so that the military gets busy with india while i can easily come back to loot pakistan one more time and inexchange i'll make sure pakistan's nuclear programe gets halted. I'm talking back in the 90s. What do you expect within this situation. And mind you army isnt your house dog, keep a hold of yourself and your big mouth. This is because of this army the pak army that we sleep safely just look at kashmir how people are slaughtered and totured daily by IA. Army as an institution is bound to safegaurd pakistans interests and protect it against anysort of threat whether internal or external. You just believe that leaders like BB should be allowed to destroy pakistan while army just sits and watch, you really want that for some sort of internal satisfaction of yours.

 

[IceCold]

YOu are kidding man.
one kanal for only 45 lacs its sooooooooooooo cheap.


A house just in front of our house here in a posh colony which i must say is not as posh as Defence area of Peshawar or cantonment but even than that house (i.e only 4 marla ) was just 2 months back sold at Rs28 lacs and now the property dealers are roaming arround to buy it and other houses at far far more roughly at Rs32 lacs to 36 lacs

here in NWFP i tell you the land is getting damn costlier.

Yes ms! prices of property in lahore are declining fast. Like i said the guy who sold it actually took a loss of 55 lacs or so.

Asim its not plain land, the possesion is been given around april 2008

 

[Spring Onion]

Yes ms! prices of property in lahore are declining fast. Like i said the guy who sold it actually took a loss of 55 lacs or so.

Asim its not plain land, the possesion is been given around april 2008

NO man i m saying here in NWFP the plan land as well as built property is getting toooooooooooo much costly.
you know here you had to pay Rs5 lakh per marla in a Suburban area.

 

[IceCold]

NO man i m saying here in NWFP the plan land as well as built property is getting toooooooooooo much costly.
you know here you had to pay Rs5 lakh per marla in a Suburban area.

Well in cavalry the rate is also 5lakh per marla or even 5.5 lakhs at some place but this i'm talking about plots of one kanal or bigger in DHA. I remember in defence i mean the developed area the cost of one kanal was 1core 50 lakhs a few years back and that came down to like 90 lakhs.
NWFP is sure damn expensive. But the prices might be down these days due to the violence or are they the same?

 

[Awesome]

They have never died for me, nor would i want them to die for me. I fight my own battles and never have taken any support from the administration or the miliatry, nor will i offer them my support. This froum is biased as most memebers here have military background and are very touchy about comments being made about the army. When you keep a dog you expect it to guard your house not run your house and leach its resources like the military has done in the history of pakistan. No sympathy for these soldiers if they die or dont die, when they joined they had an option and knowledge they werent tricked in to joining.

So basically you have given up on Kashmir wouldn't have fought the invading forces out of Lahore in 1965 and would've rolled over when the Soviets were knocking on your door?

 

[Awesome]

They have never died for me, nor would i want them to die for me. I fight my own battles and never have taken any support from the administration or the miliatry, nor will i offer them my support. This froum is biased as most memebers here have military background and are very touchy about comments being made about the army. When you keep a dog you expect it to guard your house not run your house and leach its resources like the military has done in the history of pakistan. No sympathy for these soldiers if they die or dont die, when they joined they had an option and knowledge they werent tricked in to joining.

They have never died for me, nor would i want them to die for me. I fight my own battles and never have taken any support from the administration....

You call yourself Pakistani and the Army has defended Pakistan on numerous occasions.

Like it or not. You exist and your Pakistaniat exists because there is the Pak Army. Or else you'd be a nobody.

I'd like to correct you, none of the administrators of this forum even remotely belong to the Armed forces. We are purely from a civilian background. The Army has our respect just as the millions of Shaheeds have our respect.

I'd like to see you pull an Aziz Bhatti rather than talk big here... When you can do that, only then start comparing yourself to such noble men.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

They have never died for me, nor would i want them to die for me. I fight my own battles and never have taken any support from the administration or the miliatry, nor will i offer them my support. This froum is biased as most memebers here have military background and are very touchy about comments being made about the army. When you keep a dog you expect it to guard your house not run your house and leach its resources like the military has done in the history of pakistan. No sympathy for these soldiers if they die or dont die, when they joined they had an option and knowledge they werent tricked in to joining.

Everyone has their biases!

You cannot accuse the members of this forum of such a thing when you so obviously have your own. Being biased isn't a bad thing, everyone is to some extent- what is wrong is continuing to support a position without any rational, logical arguments to substantiate it.

I would say that part of the problem in Pakistan is precisely that false sense of "honor" and machismo we carry around and which you are displaying. "I fight my own battles". You sound like a kid playing with action figures. For society to evolve and work for the "greater good" there has to be a contract between its members to honor and respect institutions that govern it. These institutions can be flawed, but the answer isn't to go back to the law of the jungle and go around with your AK trying to get "justice". One must try and improve those institutions, and work to achieve justice through them.

You let one person go out and "fight his own battles" and every criminal and terrorist has also just been given justification to "fight their battles".

 

[x_man]

I think a small perk like that for being a General, dedicating your life to the defence of you and me, putting yourself in harms way, is acceptable.

Well in many societies, it’s called discrimination or corruption, but we have sugar coated it a bit and call it PERK.

I joined Airforce in 1986 when I was just 16. And now after more than 20 years shall I start to ask for perks? I don’t think so. I joined it at my will and wish, I get paid for my services and being a soldier it is my duty (not a favour that I am doing to someone) to protect this country against any aggression. I was in Peshawar in early 90s and flew number of missions against intruding Afgans, flew during Kargil and extensively during escalation of 2001. I performed my duties because I am a professional, not because I had hopes to get the Perks for my services.

In the time of AM Nur Khan and until ACM Zulfiqar there were no perks as today. All the senior officers used to pay their Mess Bills, electricity bills etc etc wherever they went but sadly not anymore today. Things took a sharp turn after ACM Anwar Shameem and C-130s were used to carry her daughters Baraat and Mehndi. Use of service aircraft for personal shopping trips became a norm. ALL IN THE OF PERKS. After that that has been no end to Perks and things actually have blown out of proportion.

I was reading AIRFORCE ONE by Kenneth T. Walsh, on page 28 he writes, ‘for years, the tradition has been to bill White House Staff members—and the President, First lady, and their families and guests-for their meal on the plane. He cost of an average breakfast is $4 to £6: lunch $6 to $8 and dinner $8 to $11.The effort to hold down costs in one reason why the meals abroad Airforce One are hardly gourmet fare; no one wants to spend a lot of money on them.’ Now have you ever seen the meal plan for our president or senior officials (military/civilians both) when they travel? I have seen it. And believe me they are not paying a penny on it. Again a PERK for their services. While in Sargodha, I have seen special aircrafts going to Lahore/Chaklala just to get the Mustard and Cheese for Chiefs breakfast as his choice wasn’t available in Sargodha. All in the name of Perks because he deserves so as he has given his whole life to serve the nation. What a crap!!


Asim, I can go on and on, and the dilemma is that these PERKS have no end in sight. Although we are a known poor third world country but in terms of PERKS we beat the most rich.

 

[Awesome]

Well in many societies, it’s called discrimination or corruption, but we have sugar coated it a bit and call it PERK.

I joined Airforce in 1986 when I was just 16. And now after more than 20 years shall I start to ask for perks? I don’t think so. I joined it at my will and wish, I get paid for my services and being a soldier it is my duty (not a favour that I am doing to someone) to protect this country against any aggression. I was in Peshawar in early 90s and flew number of missions against intruding Afgans, flew during Kargil and extensively during escalation of 2001. I performed my duties because I am a professional, not because I had hopes to get the Perks for my services.

In the time of AM Nur Khan and until ACM Zulfiqar there were no perks as today. All the senior officers used to pay their Mess Bills, electricity bills etc etc wherever they went but sadly not anymore today. Things took a sharp turn after ACM Anwar Shameem and C-130s were used to carry her daughters Baraat and Mehndi. Use of service aircraft for personal shopping trips became a norm. ALL IN THE OF PERKS. After that that has been no end to Perks and things actually have blown out of proportion.

I was reading AIRFORCE ONE by Kenneth T. Walsh, on page 28 he writes, ‘for years, the tradition has been to bill White House Staff members—and the President, First lady, and their families and guests-for their meal on the plane. He cost of an average breakfast is $4 to £6: lunch $6 to $8 and dinner $8 to $11.The effort to hold down costs in one reason why the meals abroad Airforce One are hardly gourmet fare; no one wants to spend a lot of money on them.’ Now have you ever seen the meal plan for our president or senior officials (military/civilians both) when they travel? I have seen it. And believe me they are not paying a penny on it. Again a PERK for their services. While in Sargodha, I have seen special aircrafts going to Lahore/Chaklala just to get the Mustard and Cheese for Chiefs breakfast as his choice wasn’t available in Sargodha. All in the name of Perks because he deserves so as he has given his whole life to serve the nation. What a crap!!


Asim, I can go on and on, and the dilemma is that these PERKS have no end in sight. Although we are a known poor third world country but in terms of PERKS we beat the most rich.

You joined the Pakistan Air Force?

 

[Awesome]

Btw, the perks in our country are far less:

Great Money and Perks. Come to Iraq - TIME

So there's is a dictatorship in the whole world?

 

[x_man]

Btw, the perks in our country are far less:

Great Money and Perks. Come to Iraq - TIME

So there's is a dictatorship in the whole world?

Yeh I am in airforce just for last 20 years. I think you need to re-read what I have written and then give a reply. Where did I refer to dictatorship anywhere? Why are you comparing Iraqi perks with Pakistani? Are still you in favor of unnecessary perks given to our Armed forces? DO you thing we can afford such extravagance???

 

[Awesome]

I'm really not interested in why someone is getting free chai paani in the mess halls.

If this is all you got and Tax exemptions in an AREA (not for just the army) on small houses, then I see no problem with things here.

I have seen special aircrafts going to Lahore/Chaklala just to get the Mustard and Cheese for Chiefs breakfast as his choice wasn’t available in Sargodha.

I must ask you to prove your credentials as a PAF man. Kuch zyada hi lambi chordi aapne. PM me. We have perks for Pak military men on Defence.pk too.

 

[x_man]

I'm really not interested in why someone is getting free chai paani in the mess halls.

If this is all you got and Tax exemptions in an AREA (not for just the army) on small houses, then I see no problem with things here.


I must ask you to prove your credentials as a PAF man. Kuch zyada hi lambi chordi aapne. PM me. We have perks for Pak military men on Defence.pk too.

Well thats what I am saying...nothing is free. And by the way...mein nay koi lambi nahin choori..I know it sounds unbelieveable..but my ignorant friend..its been happening right under our noses...you dont want to believe...dont do it...

Thanks for your offer. I am ok perkless.