Gen. Raheel---Yemen Crisis---Feb 2019

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

You have some valid points...

Better late than never....

 

[ali_raza]

true that sir u r always right

 

[zulu]

Moment we lost They were ready to bear all expenses and want fighting man from Pakistan we can train our guys but for sake of Iran we left that opportunity and u can see now Iran behavior and language to us .THose who wanna support or comment Iran i m not going to reply just one thing"I will only consider those my friends and brothers who will stand with my country during this critical time and those who don't they are none to me either its Iran or Saudia,UAE from now on and in future

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan should secure that port for future CPEC connectivity

 

[Asimzranger]

We needed him more then anyone

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Allah gave us the opportunity to be a saviour and protector of our brothers in the gulf---.

Allah also gave the opportunity to us with a free hand to take charge of the region and build up a military force---.

Allah---the Lord merciful put a blinder on the eyes & minds of the powers to be and presented pakistan the opportunity to build a massive force in the region---.

But---tragically---those in power in pakistan also put blinders on their thinking and minds and simply rejected that offer with a callous and careless attitude with rhetoric and sarcasm towards the forces of the gulf states by making fun of their incompetence---.

This tells you---How thoughtless and visionless the pakistanis are---Allah---the Lord merciful gave us the gulf states on a platter---and we rejected the offerings presented by our Lord by making fun of those who requested our patronage---.

 

[El Sidd]

by the way what happened to Chahbahar Day

 

[Signalian]

Trading lives of Pakistan's soldiers for buying equipment and ordering them to die for other countries while own country was in turmoil at that time and needed boots on the ground, i certainly don't support it.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Trading lives of Pakistan's soldiers for buying equipment and ordering them to die for other countries while own country was in turmoil at that time and needed boots on the ground, i certainly don't support it.

and we may push our Shia minority to protest and see Pakistan as a hostile country for Shia's . back than it was a good decision to not send troops . Now the situation is change .

 

[Signalian]

Moment we lost They were ready to bear all expenses and want fighting man from Pakistan we can train our guys but for sake of Iran we left that opportunity and u can see now Iran behavior and language to us .THose who wanna support or comment Iran i m not going to reply just one thing"I will only consider those my friends and brothers who will stand with my country during this critical time and those who don't they are none to me either its Iran or Saudia,UAE from now on and in future

Iran was one of the reasons, not the primary reason. The Primary reason was WOT on western front.

 

[PakAlp]

I think for a change Pakistan and General Raheel Shareef made the right decision. If we had 150k Pakistani soldiers in Saudia, Qatar, UAE. We would be fighting in Syria and Yemen. Our soldiers dead bodies would have been coming to Pakistan. All for what? The blood thirsty Arab sheikhs. The same people who betrayed the Ottomans. Who betrayed the religion of Islam. I say let them rot.

We need to make alliance with our neighbouring countries. Russia China Iran Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia. The backstabbing Arab sheikhs can go back to the desert

 

[Pyara9]

Hi,

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

They came knocking at his door---seeking help and and asking for protection with the allowance and permission of the powers to be----requesting Pakistan to supply them with military manpower to protect and secure their region.

A true East India Company moment for Pakistan---but without the conquest---. They had posted a request of close to 50000 troops---and a good visionary---strategist & tactician would have suggested that 100K to a 150K troops would be a better number---.

It would also be better to have equipped the battle group with its own base of power ie---air force---navy---infantry---armor---artillery so that it could move and act without any hinderance of requesting acquisition and being dependent on other factors---.

When yemeni shias decided to revolt against their govt---their fate and the fate of their families was sealed---. Death destruction chaos and mayhem was looking at them in the coming future at an extremely fast rate---regardless of who the military was---.

The General failed to realize what benefits his and his troops presence would have in that region and how would pakistan fare once the job was accepted---.

Such a large number of troops would have given pakistan massive leverage over the thinking and decision making of the gulf states and most of it would have gone in Pakistan's favor.

The general also failed to recognize the impact of that decision on arch rival India as well---. With such a large force in the region---most of the jobs would be taken by the Pakistanis---and the Indian influence would diminish real real fast---.

ISIS was going to be playing havoc in the region and there was a true fear of ISIS coming to the region and creating unrest---.

But all these things which were staring right in the face of the general---were over looked by him---.

Seems like the general never read the spread of Islamic power in spain---. The berbers were invited over for help---they crossed the seas and claimed a stake and foothold in spain that lasted for 700 years---& neither did the general remember how the east india company got a foothold in the sub continent---. Nizam of Hyderabad asked for help and protection as did many other smaller Rajas and Maharajas---which ultimately succumbed to the influence of the british---.

But the real issue was for power positioning in the arena---. A 150K troops in the region---3-4 heavy strike aircraft SQDRN'S at hand---3-4 navy frigates of the type 054 category---multiple smaller ships---awacs---transport aircraft---multiple quick deployable armor divisions---and all the paraphernalia a large military task force at his disposal protecting the gulf states and covering the flanks of the enemy---.

Bottomline---the general failed miseraby to protect the future interests of pakistan---but indeed did secure a very lucrative position for himself for a very nice retirement and inheritence---. How I wish that someone could put Gen Raheel to shame for deceiving Pakistan at that juncture---.

Ya Then ppl like you will be crying we sold our military for $.

 

[Signalian]

and we may push our Shia minority to protest and see Pakistan as a hostile country for Shia's . back than it was a good decision to not send troops . Now the situation is change .

Gen Raheel Shareef had held command posts throughout his career. When you command troops over and over again, you realize the importance of your troops, a bond is developed, you want the best for your troops and you want the best for your country. Its not a compromise, it a win-win situation. A Pakistani soldier will give up his life on one command of his commanding officer, but would the values and ethics and morals and training and experience of that commanding officer allow him to send troops elsewhere when they are badly needed to Protect Pakistan first. Even then the commander asks for volunteers for a certain mission. I have no doubts that if General Raheel Shareef would have asked for volunteers, every formation commander would have kept Pakistan's interests in perspective by realizing that the war inside Pakistan is not finished yet. The two fronts (LOC and border with Afghanistan) that india had opened long ago were not dealt with completely. Its a fact which can be seen today also, when the escalation with India occured, the formations sent from east to west were at once called back to the east against India. And at this point FATA has been rid of turmoil almost completely. Back then Ops were going on in FATA while Baluchistan was in pipeline. If Pakistan had sent soldiers abroad, Pakistan would have witnessed 25-30% more bomb blasts in cities claiming lives of Pakistani citizens, FATA Ops would have taken longer, perhaps another 2-3 more years and losses of FC and soldiers would have increased. The cost of destruction (human lives, infrastructure etc) over the nest few years would have been the same as the cost of buying new military hardware. Instead Raheel Shareef was tactical enough to deploy soldiers where he deemed best for Pakistan and the proof is the amount of bomb blasts and damage to Pakistan that has decreased over the years, while successful conduct of Ops in western Pakistan.

Commanding officers do not conduct business with lives of their soldiers, this is not leadership. Command throws incentive to soldiers to carry out an operation, they are human beings, they are motivated before any operation through Pep talk or sermon given by the commander. They are not robots. When the entire military formation knows that Pakistan is in turmoil and needs them but they need to be sent elsewhere to safe guard interests of others, the fighting morale will take a hit. The conscience will take a hit. You may give a lecture on Ummah and spread of Islam, but side by side you cannot ignore the fact that Pakistani civilians dying in bomb blasts, car bombs, suicide attacks etc are also part of their own Ummah. Just for the sake of money, dont bat an eye lid for the sake of lives of Pakistani civilians but garner full strength for the sake of Ummah abroad ?

Would the commander be honest and tell them that you are being sent from one hell hole to another because Pakistan wants to buy aircrafts, tanks, subs and the cost is your blood. Pakistani Military spends up to 3 Lac ruppees initially to train a cadet in PMA to become an officer and roughly 1 lac Rs to train a soldier from a recruit. If they are to be used as mercenaries for monetary gains, then its best to contact fighting volunteers/hired guns and send them to aid the Ummah abroad.

Pakistani Armed Forces are human beings, trained soldiers, not machinery and other assets which are supposed to increase investment. A materialistic eye would look at these soldiers and get $$$ signs in eyes, whereas a commander would look at them valuing their life and order them to defend motherland as priority one.

It seems OP has never been given a command or a leadership post, this is not how commanders and leaders bargain the lives of their soldiers.

 

[somebozo]

General Raheel---when he grows older---would look back and think about his folly---that how he failed Pakistan by missing out at the opportunity of creating a military battle group to be stationed in emirates---Oman---Saudia---Qatar.

It wasn't a folly...it was master stroke..it would stretch Pakistani army too far..and too thin..giving India a chance of aggression...the Arabs were not offering any funds...and will not come to rescue in any Pak vs India...recent OIC fiasco being an example...Arabs have far bigger investments in India..and to give them security is directly giving them stability to grow their investments in India further....

its not worth fighting losing battle..the war of Yemen is going no where...and unless the Arabs come with 100 Billion USD Cash and offer all the latest toys unconditionally...its not worth...Pakistan should also withdraw from this Joker OIC...and chart its own path.

Security and economy is inter related..first we need to see $$$$ then we will be happy to protect our business partners....stop chanting this mantra of we will protect holy places and ummah chummah...