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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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Elvin said:
Israel does not have the industrial capacity to sustain a long term war. They are tiny, and barely even have any industry to speak of. The only thing keeping Israel alive is US/West support, and that will eventually weaken as the West weakens and geopolitical shifts finalize (already in motion). One day, the Zionists will be reminded of what they did and how they treated their Muslim and Christian neighbors.

Without Western support, Israel would not be able to sustain a war for more than 2 months.
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Yep,, the times have changed and the Jews can't maintain the propaganda they used to even with the dick sucking Hindus

They have the usual simpering support at government levels in the west but underneath it's collapsed

The questions being asked now also of Israeli supporters are overwhelming


Going forward, we need to make connections between Israel and surrounding Muslim, Arab states impossible. We need to spread so much negativity, hostility that any relations are poisoned
We especially need to target Saudi and other Arab states like UAE

We need to keep the boycot of Israel and any company that supports Israel and push ever harder and use Israeli apartheid and crimes to convince people across the world of the need of this boycott

Target supporters of Israel with boycott and cancelation, so any personalities that openly support Israel have to be accused of supporting apartheid, just like they were with south Africa

Use massive public demonstrations to put pressure on governments and states
BACK THIS UP with moral arguments about war crimes, hypocrisy, Ukraine and consequence of support for apartheid, ethnically cleansing and war crimes


The biggest weapon PALESTINIANS have is their population, at a average age of 19, they are the future And we have to utilize the numbers game to finally crack Israel
 
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Meengla said:
Too early to say at this point.
In past Israel-Gaza conflicts, the paradigm was 'mowing the grass', which meant 'degrading' the Gazan' resistance enough to get a few years of breathing room for Israel. But this time Gazans have repeated what Hezbollah did in 2006: Showing the entire world that Israel is indeed vulnerable. Who really knows Israel's objectives? NY Times is saying that killing the top heirarchy of Hamas is the immediate goal...

Also, there is no doubt a regional war will put the world economy into a tailspin and Democrats are aware of that in the elections year--the 2024 elections. Already the Repubs are going to grill them for the death of the 13 Marines in Kabul in August 2021. Any more body bags and a really bad economy, and Dems are toast. My WASP friends have been telling me that 2024 will be very bad for lower and middle class Americans.

Then there is the Russia-Ukraine war in which, almost assuredly, Zelensky is toast now--at the least, he won't be able to get the lost land back. A huge strategic defeat for NATO. Palestinians have just given Putin a huge gift!!

So, it is not just the Israel-Hamas conflict but a host of other issues are to be factored in.
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Israel always won short and Swift victories over its Arab neighbours. Israel's ability to sustain a long war is still not tested. If Hamas can drag out the war into a long urban war, it's gonna hurt Israel. And if Hizbullah join, then the war will become even more difficult. They mobilised 5% (300k) of entire Jewish population of Israel for war. When you add the standing army to it, that's around 7.5% of total Jewish population of Israel. A long war could create unforseen economic ,social and political effects.

Russia certainly won the lottery here. Ukrainian counter offensive failed and a lot of equipment lost in the process. War in middle east will put even more pressure on European military stockpile and they are unlikely to give any more weapons to Ukraine. Russia went from defense to local offensive in the east now. This gonna create lots of pressure on Ukraine now. US have a strategic interest in containing the middle eastern war. If war drags on, that may give a good opportunity for China to make it's move in South China sea/Taiwan.
 
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Dalit said:
This Sisi reminds me of Pakistani generals.
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Sisi and other Egyptian generals held their relations with Russia when the Russia-Ukraine war started. They have nuclear reactors for renewable energy from Russia and also sent weapons to Russia.

They didn’t crumble and sell everything out like Pakistani babbu generals. But they also have a lot of problems they need to work on as well.
 
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Elvin said:
I think this is more related to the EEZ and the Turkish drilling efforts because the US strike groups are in that area, perhaps Turkey wants to show their presence and declare their EEZ? Or is it for the Palestinians, hmm
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The simultaneous deployment of two US aircraft carriers to the region and the recent US deliberate downing of a Turkish drone is not an issue overshadowed by the Israeli-Palestinian war. Before this happened, threatening messages were routinely issued from the Pentagon and the WH because they think the Turkish army's ground operation about began. After 70 years of efforts, the US policy has reached the point where the two remaining allies it relies on are Israel and the PKK/PYD. One is a terrorist organization and the other is state, but their actions are no different from other.
 
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Interesting to find that Bosniaks inhabit Palestine as well:

Bosnian immigrants settled predominantly in villages in the parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea, Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem. Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.

Bushnak (Arabic: بشناق, meaning "Bosnian" or "Bosniak", also transliterated Bushnaq, Boshnak, Bouchenak and Bouchnak) is a surname common among Levantines and Saudis (Hejazis) of Bosniak origin. Those sharing this surname are the descendants of Bosniaks apprehensive of living under Christian rule after the Austro-Hungarian occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1878, who immigrated to Ottoman Syria.

While not originally from one family, most Bosniaks who immigrated to the Levant adopted Bushnak as a common surname, attesting to their origins. Bushnak is also used colloquially among Palestinians to refer to someone who is fair-skinned and good-looking.

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosniak soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosniak emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many immigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Ottoman Syria (modern Syria, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan).

 
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