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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Morals come from faith and values

If you don't have faith and values then everything is allowed

This is not correct. Faith and Religion has nothing to do with morality.

The origin of Morality lies in our Hormones​

Our physiology has EVOLVED to release hormones that promote feelings of happiness and well-being when we engage in positive social interactions, such as showing love, kindness, or empathy towards others. This suggests that morality may have an innate component, as demonstrated by a scientific study which highlights the biological basis of moral behaviour:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780124201903000454

Abstract

Is there an innate moral sense? Scientific evidence, from child development, linguistics, and behavioral economics to neuroscience, moral psychology, and primatology reveals universal drives that constitute a biologically prepared moral architecture within human nature. This innate moral sense is akin to the innate predisposition for smell or language and suggests human beings are born with the prototypes of a sense that fosters anxiety when they witness others in distress and, similarly, promotes positive feelings when that distress is alleviated. Incorporating the concept of an innate moral sense into our models of social and political life would improve ethical analysis.
Nobody needs to instruct a baby on how to love their mother; it comes naturally thanks to hormonal influences.

Skin-to-skin contact between a newborn and their mother shortly after delivery is crucial and emotionally charged for both parties. Your touch and voice provide comfort and security for your baby, and this interaction triggers the release of oxytocin in your body.

Notably, childbirth and breastfeeding lead to a significant increase in oxytocin levels in women, promoting maternal bonding and nurturing behaviors.

Oxytocin, often referred to as the "love hormone," plays a crucial role in fostering attachment between parents and their offspring. While it was initially believed that only mothers experienced a surge in oxytocin levels during childbirth and breastfeeding, research has shown that fathers also exhibit similar hormonal changes when they engage in activities that promote bonding with their children.

Studies have revealed that emotionally invested fathers display increased levels of prolactin, a hormone typically associated with breastfeeding and sexual satisfaction, and vasopressin, a hormone linked to bonding and stress response in mothers. These findings suggest that fathers who actively participate in parenting experiences can experience hormonal changes akin to those of mothers.

As individuals mature, their moral compass is no longer solely determined by innate factors. Empathy, enlightened self-interest, and societal pressures become increasingly influential in shaping an adult's moral values. While empathy remains a vital aspect of moral development throughout a person's life, its significance wanes somewhat as other factors come into play.

In contrast, infants rely heavily on instinctual behaviours such as empathy and trust in their caregivers, which significantly impact their early moral formation. As the child grows and interacts more with society, external influences progressively shape their moral code. Ultimately, the interplay between innate tendencies and environmental factors contributes to the complex and dynamic nature of human morality.
 
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Religious indoctrination turns good people into bad and makes them do those things which perhaps they would have done in their personal capacity.

Where did the humanity of good Muslims go when they started sleeping (/rapping) innocent captive women and girls the same night, although they had killed their fathers, brothers, husbands and sons the same day before?

Human intellect clearly guides it to be injustice that you demand equal rights to preach Islam and to convert people to Islam in non-Muslim states, but when it comes to Muslim countries, then you deny non-Muslims this right and start killing them for preaching or criticizing Islam or for converting Muslims to their religion.
It took religious indoctrination for good people to believe in this injustice.

Great work! I agree with you as religious indoctrination describes the current situation which we see inIndia and Israel and describes it to a tee! Before you bring up extremism well guess what Muslim nations were the front line to fight against as such. Can anybody in this world imagine India launching a war against hindutva or Israel against ultra orthodox settlers? The answe is no. But MUSLIM nations opposed khawarij from Islam. If you want a living breathing example look at the posts of MUSLIMS here and then look at the posts of Indians and Israel’s posters defending everything as they personally know then lol. Peace!
 
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This is not correct. Faith and Religion has nothing to do with morality.

The origin of Morality lies in our Hormones​

Our physiology has EVOLVED to release hormones that promote feelings of happiness and well-being when we engage in positive social interactions, such as showing love, kindness, or empathy towards others. This suggests that morality may have an innate component, as demonstrated by a scientific study which highlights the biological basis of moral behaviour:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780124201903000454

Abstract


Nobody needs to instruct a baby on how to love their mother; it comes naturally thanks to hormonal influences.

Skin-to-skin contact between a newborn and their mother shortly after delivery is crucial and emotionally charged for both parties. Your touch and voice provide comfort and security for your baby, and this interaction triggers the release of oxytocin in your body.

Notably, childbirth and breastfeeding lead to a significant increase in oxytocin levels in women, promoting maternal bonding and nurturing behaviors.

Oxytocin, often referred to as the "love hormone," plays a crucial role in fostering attachment between parents and their offspring. While it was initially believed that only mothers experienced a surge in oxytocin levels during childbirth and breastfeeding, research has shown that fathers also exhibit similar hormonal changes when they engage in activities that promote bonding with their children.

Studies have revealed that emotionally invested fathers display increased levels of prolactin, a hormone typically associated with breastfeeding and sexual satisfaction, and vasopressin, a hormone linked to bonding and stress response in mothers. These findings suggest that fathers who actively participate in parenting experiences can experience hormonal changes akin to those of mothers.

As individuals mature, their moral compass is no longer solely determined by innate factors. Empathy, enlightened self-interest, and societal pressures become increasingly influential in shaping an adult's moral values. While empathy remains a vital aspect of moral development throughout a person's life, its significance wanes somewhat as other factors come into play.

In contrast, infants rely heavily on instinctual behaviours such as empathy and trust in their caregivers, which significantly impact their early moral formation. As the child grows and interacts more with society, external influences progressively shape their moral code. Ultimately, the interplay between innate tendencies and environmental factors contributes to the complex and dynamic nature of human morality.
whatever bro,
and the universe came from nothing to somehow form absolutely everything.
or that we can touch and feel and live a conscious life because something hit something else on the offchance in outer space?
 
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This is not correct. Faith and Religion has nothing to do with morality.

The origin of Morality lies in our Hormones​

Our physiology has EVOLVED to release hormones that promote feelings of happiness and well-being when we engage in positive social interactions, such as showing love, kindness, or empathy towards others. This suggests that morality may have an innate component, as demonstrated by a scientific study which highlights the biological basis of moral behaviour:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780124201903000454
Stop your endless off-topic ramblings about religion and Islam and morality, this thread is to provide updates on the Gaza-Israel conflict. @waz
 
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Strategic assessment of missile/drone fire from Yemen to Israel

1) Iranian ballistic missiles fired by Yemen - bleeds Israeli ABM interceptors (which are extremely expensive and in limited numbers) and forces Israel to devote ABM systems and radars facing south rather than north to Lebanon or east to Iran

2) Iranian cruise missiles and drones fired by Yemen - forces Israel to devote significant air force resources to patrol airspace and intercept these targets, removing these resources from the Gaza conflict

While Palestinian groups bleed Israeli Iron Dome stocks, Ansarallah bleeds Israeli ABM stocks. Each Arrow missile costs $3 million. Compared to $10,000-$20,000 for each Iron Dome "Tamir" missile, a huge difference (1 Arrow missile = 300 Iron Dome missiles in terms of cost).

We should also talk about missile inventories. We know that Israel had to beg USA for replacement Tamir missiles after 1-2 days of war with Gaza, and have received multiple top-ups since then as well. They have now withdrawn Iron Dome batteries from settlements (such as Sderot) to preserve inventories.

As we know from Ukraine, stocks of modern AD systems are very limited. Israeli stocks of ABM missiles (such as Arrow-2/3) are also much lower than some may think. The USA jointly funds the Arrow project but does not operate any Arrow systems itself, so this time it cannot simply reach into its reserves to resupply Israel.

Israel has very limited options to respond to Yemen. Ansarallah possesses a variant of the advanced Iranian Third Khordad SAM system as well as long-range Iranian anti-ship cruise missiles. They are simply too far away for Israel to do any meaningful damage to them (indeed, the Saudis in 8 years of brutal war against Yemen could not degrade Ansarallah's military capabilities from next door let alone 1700km away).
Do you have statistics? Let's be realistic. Houthi strikes are not getting through and cannot deplete Israeli defenses. Hezbollah is in a better position to damage Israel but it is also exposed to Israeli bombing. This war will not be easy to fight irrespective of all the claims that have been made thus far.
 
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