Gay rights- where is your country on it?

[JayAtl]

This post about an Indian American kid caught up in a prank on his gay roommate at the university, being inexcusable- got me thinking with some replies in there and quite frankly also in other postings on PDF of bashing gays- on what is the general public stance in ones country on this issue i.e. I was wondering where your respective countries were on Gays rights.

To think your country does not have gays amongst its doctors, scientist, military professional is naive. But I'd also like to know how sure are you of your perceived moral superiority in your said countries?

Why if you are anti-gays, do you not see it as human rights? A gay couple - how do they affect your married life or sexual orientation? If they are willing to die to defend your country, if they willing to be doctors to save your life...then were is the moral fortitude in bashing that group?

@ MODS: Do I have your permission to show factual links about every countries moral standard because thats the no1 claim to being against it. I want to fair and open in the debate.

What is really disturbing to me is all this hate has a country( Uganda) that is going give death sentences to people for just being gay ! -

"Kill the Gays" Bill Nears Vote
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/09/Antigay_Uganda_Bill_Nears_Vote/

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We are building more bridges they come in handy

 

[Birbal]

We are building more bridges they come in handy

 

[JustForFun]

From the Netherlands , so no problems with gays.
Some fundamental christian city officials refuse to perform gay marriage ceremonies, but we are getting rid of them.

 

[Banana]

India - Gays were never Persecuted in our History of 5000 Years.

In fact, They have their own Place in our Religion - Hinduism.

The Stupid Victorian Laws passed by the British are still there. We are kicking out them soon!

 

[Hafizzz]

India - Gays were never Persecuted in our History of 5000 Years.

In fact, They have their own Place in our Religion - Hinduism.

The Stupid Victorian Laws passed by the British are still there. We are kicking out them soon!

As if......... :

India's anti-gay law faces challenge
India's anti-gay law faces challenge - Asia - Pacific - International Herald Tribune - The New York Times

Amid a climate of growing sexual tolerance within urban India, a campaign to force the government to decriminalize homosexuality is rapidly gaining momentum.

About 150 of India's most influential figures - from the novelist Vikram Seth to the Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen - have joined their voices in <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/international/open_letter.pdf" target="_blank">a protest letter</a> demanding the repeal of "cruel and discriminatory" legislation banning gay sex.

The letter brings together senior names from India's traditionally conservative elite - business, civil service and judiciary - alongside the more expected representatives of human rights groups.

"Some of India's most distinguished people have come together to say that this is a fundamental human rights issue which must be addressed," said Siddharth Dube, a writer and senior official of the UN AIDS program, or Unaids.

The signatories called for Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which bans gay sex, to be overturned immediately. The law has been used to "systematically persecute, blackmail, arrest and terrorize sexual minorities," said the letter, which was to be published in Indian newspapers Saturday.

Hostility to the law has intensified for two reasons: It is seen as an anachronism from a less tolerant era and health care officials, struggling to contain India's AIDS epidemic, warn that it hampers their efforts to contact vulnerable groups.

The letter, whose signers include Soli Sorabjee, a former attorney general, and Nitin Desai, a former UN under secretary general, stresses that the law has been "used by homophobic officials to suppress the work of legitimate HIV- prevention groups, leaving gay and bisexual men in India even more defenseless against HIV infection."

The letter's release was timed to anticipate a critical ruling from Delhi's High Court, expected early next month, on the validity of the legislation. An HIV-AIDS prevention organization, the Naz Foundation, has sued to have Section 377 overturned, but its case was rejected on the grounds that "public morality" should "prevail over the exercise of any private right." The petition is being heard again on appeal.

Unaids said in May that India had the highest number of people in the world living with HIV - about 5.7 million. A few weeks later, the government's AIDS-prevention body called for the law to be overturned, warning that "Section 377 can adversely contribute to pushing the infection underground."

Activists say internal government memos suggest the government is tilting in favor of decriminalization.

The petition seeks to broaden the issue from one of public health to a moral, human rights argument. Activists point out that the legislation was introduced by the British colonial authorities and does not reflect ancient Hindu cultural values. The Hindu epics reveal a tolerant approach to homosexuality, and the stone carvings on the temples of Khajuraho show men having sex with men.

Section 377 brackets gay sex with sex with animals and pedophilia, defining it as an "unnatural" offense, punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment.

Although the law is rarely enforced, its presence sends a clear signal to law enforcement bodies, and police harassment of gay men is widespread.

Dube, one of the organizers behind the petition, said the fear of being prosecuted in India for being openly gay had caused him to live abroad for most of his adult life.

"People sometimes make the mistake of thinking that because this law is not often prosecuted, that means it is innocuous. It doesn't take prosecution in a law court to make people terrified. The fear of prosecution lingers," he said. "As a gay Indian, one always feels like an outsider - ostracized. I felt like a criminal all the time."

India Health Minister Calls Homosexuality a Disease
India Health Minister Calls Homosexuality A Disease | Fox News

NEW DELHI &#8211; India's health minister has derided homosexuality as an unnatural "disease" from the West, drawing fire Tuesday from activists who said the comments set back the country's campaigns for gay rights and its fight against HIV.

The comments Monday by Health Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad at a conference on HIV/AIDS in the Indian capital echoed a common refrain in the conservative country that homosexuality is a Western import.

"Unfortunately this disease has come to our country too ... where a man has sex with another man, which is completely unnatural and should not happen but does," Azad said.

Anjali Gopalan, who heads the NAZ Foundation, a rights group that works with HIV positive people and promotes equal rights for homosexuals, said Azad's comments were deeply troubling coming from the health minister of a country fighting a tough battle against HIV infections.

"These comments help no cause. It's definitely not going to help in our fight against HIV," she told the Associated Press.

Roughly 2.5 million Indians have HIV making it the country with the largest number of people living with the virus in Asia.

Experts say the marginalization of gay people in India hinders the fight against the disease.

"If you're not going to invest in community building then gay people will continue to be marginalized," she added.

In 2009 the Delhi High Court struck down a colonial era law -- Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code -- that made sex between people of the same gender punishable by up to 10 years in prison. While actual criminal prosecutions were rare, the law was frequently used to harass people.

The court ruling was noteworthy in a country where even heterosexual sex is rarely discussed openly.

Over the last decade homosexuals are slowly gaining a degree of acceptance in a few parts of India, especially in its big cities. Many bars have gay nights, and some high-profile Bollywood films have dealt with gay issues. The last two years have also seen large gay pride parades in New Delhi and other big cities such as Mumbai and Calcutta.

Still, being gay remains deeply taboo in most of the country, and many homosexuals hide their sexual orientation from friends and families.

 

[blackops]

There life there choice who the fcuk are we to tell them not to do some thing every one is created by god even gays so calling them foul will not help any one

just my 2 cents

 

[anon45]

Gayism is considered disgusting all over the world, in many cases even by gays themselves, gays feel abnormal and ashamed. think of it like being impotent
Sex isnt everything after all?

Those feelings would be social conditioning.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

homo mind might not be controllable, but homo act sure as hell can be

 

[JayAtl]

If i was gay i would feel really ashamed
During puberty i was scared as hell of being gay, even though i didnt exactly know what being gay meant other than talking weird and dressing gay - and back then i didnt know much about religion either, it was just a natural instinctual feeling that being gay is bad
Now my only fear is that i dotn hav any gay children

thats got to be the most strangest post I have ever read about thinking you were gay and dressing gay.

Other than- gays are ashamed of being gay. I guess they report in to you with a poll.?

so what are you going do if your children / child is gay?

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homo mind might not be controllable, but homo act sure as hell can be

Why? should it be controlled? are they doing it in your bedroom or in your front yard? how does it bother you?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Gays should have right of abortion D
Jayti are you straight ?

 

[JayAtl]

Gays should have right of abortion D
Jayti are you straight ?

That's Jay btw :

Yes very much so- why do you ask- is it because if people bring up topics of human rights_ they must belong to that group? are you for women rights? if yes- Should I assume you are a woman?

explain that gays should have right to abortion- is that your inarticulate way of saying they should be aborted or you mean lesbian couples should not have kids?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

very much so- why do you ask- is it because if people bring up topics of human rights_ they must belong to that group? are you for women rights? if yes- Should I assume you are a woman?

explain that gays should have right to abortion- is that your inarticulate way of saying they should be aborted or you mean lesbian couples should not have kids?

Yaar agar mein tum ko gay kahoon. will you take it as offensive?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

explain that gays should have right to abortion- is that your inarticulate way of saying they should be aborted or you mean lesbian couples should not have kids?

No i mean two women or two men cannot make each others pregnant and cannot have kids so their demand of right of abortion will not make any sense

 

[JayAtl]

Yaar agar mein tum ko gay kahoon. will you take it as offensive?

no- will just say your being immature at worst