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Game-Changing Chinese Missile To Pak Could Dent Navy's BrahMos Advantage

More talking and NO evidence. It means you are making it all up. There is NO truth to what you are saying............:lol:.........can you post EVEN 1 link that ACTUALLY proves what you are saying?

More proof:

Show this to someone who actually knows something about SAMs.
 
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Btw, if you are still only interested in numbers, then PLAN may operate 30-40 destroyers in a few years, but IN will also operate 21 destroyer equivalent ships, including P-17 and P-17A.
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Atleat some Chinese think tank doesn't think so. At the time of doklam conflict, Chinese think tank had warned his government to be careful. He told that if India does naval blockade, China will not be able to deal with situation.

People here forget that ships need fuel. And the minute they cross Indonesia, there is no more fuel left without a supply line. And people forget that the IN controls the supply line on our side.

Once MKIs and Rafales are deployed on the A&N Islands, we control the airspace all the way from A&N to Sri Lanka.

Good luck to any PLAN ships that wish to enter the Bay of Bengal.


That's a pretty impressive infographic.

Do you know what the fleet may look like by 2025 or 2030?
 
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Since 2003,in certain regimes. Since 2014-15 in all regimes.

Makes no difference.

It's never been in conflict.

It has and it failed.

Nope. The Israelis stupidly turned off their missile systems and were floating around defenceless. An air defence system would fail only if it failed to intercept the missile while it was active. Won't count if it was turned off, along with the central radar. Rest assured, we won't be swimming around defenceless.

That's what they told you and you believed them, more fool you guys.


Otoh, you should be really worried that the C-802 could only damage the ship even after a direct hit at the waterline. And this ship is just 1200T. So one can imagine how effective it really is against much larger ships. The Rajput class will stay afloat even if punctured in multiple places. It only needs one safe compartment to remain afloat. And newer classes of ships are even more resilient.

That's an older missile but still took it out of action and killed sailors, the missiles you will be facing are far more destructive.

I'm afraid you do not know much about the subject.

It's like threatening us with 4000 F-7s from Tibet.

I know more than you do, you're still on record for dismissing a nuclear physicist, one of the most pathetic things ever seen on this forum.

The numbers game is very childish. It's like saying the USAF will pummel IAF any day. But when do they plan on moving their air bases to India? Or do they plan on flying F-15s all the way from DC to Delhi?

The numbers game is not childish, they have a quality of their own, that's the first rule of fighting an numerically superior foe. With the technological superiority you have, you face utter destruction. It's hard for you to swallow I understand this...

They have 73 boats, we have 17, so we lose. But that's not how it works at all, because those 73 boats have to travel 5,000Km before they become of any real use. And then they need the juice to go back another 5,000Km after they are done. Google the ranges of subs and ships and whatnot.

Of course, you can argue that Chinese ships need no fuel. :lol

You lose as you have far less assets, and the ones you have will be busy engaging threats on multiple front, which means your forces will be overwhelmed. The Chinese will be bringing supply ships with them and this is something they have placed as a priority, you are obviously blissfully unaware of this;

There are now ten Type-903 and Type-903A vessels serving in the Chinese fleet, according to Bei. The vessels displace 25,000 tons and are able to carry 10,500 tons fuel, 250 tons of fresh water and 680 tons of ammunition

With its growing fleet of supply vessels, the PLAN is slowly transitioning into a global force that can project power around the world similar to the U.S. Navy. The PLAN is not quite there yet, but Beijing is certainly heading in that direction.


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-navy-going-global-28467

There's also the option of friendly ports, but this can of course be limited during wartime.



For any Chinese move against India at sea, they need to make significantly more investment towards their long range naval assets than they possess now. Which means their small frigates are of little use in the IOR without first setting up significant logistics support points. And no, Sri Lanka, Myanmar etc won't count. We will just pummel those countries during wartime if they do that.

They're already making investments in their long range deployments, this has been written about extensively on this forum and elsewhere. Their frigates are superior to yours as are their destroyers. They operate more frigates than your entire fleet, it's laughable you write about their ships in such a way.
Pummel Sri-Lanka and Myanmar, I dare you try, the world will cut you off in a heartbeat with massive sanctions crippling your country. Your posts are the worst on this forum by a long shot.


Rest assured, if they enter the IOR, none of them will go back. Why you ask? It's simply because we will sink all their replenishment ships while going though the choke points. With no fuel, they will be forced abandon their own ships. Reality is harsh.

Amateurs talk numbers. Professionals talk logistics.

They will enter and take damage as will your ships and defences. The difference is they will come back with greater numbers and you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REPLACE YOUR LOSSES. Then the fight will more so one sided you cannot imagine.
Professionals talk about the long-term prospects, the short-sighted like yourself only see one battle.


Also, as mentioned in the second half of the article, the PLAN's numbers advantage is irrelevant. Rest assured, in any Sino-India war, the Indian side will field more ships.

Btw, if you are still only interested in numbers, then PLAN may operate 30-40 destroyers in a few years, but IN will also operate 21 destroyer equivalent ships, including P-17 and P-17A.

You can field as many as you want, you will still be outnumbered 3:1 and that gap will grow further as the PLAN expand. You can't field more ships as you don't have the economy or capacity to do so. I deal with facts, you live off dreams.
The PLAN already operates 37 destroyers what are you talking about! You operate less than a fraction of that, and do you think the will just stop at that!!!! The gap will grow further.


Too much nonsense about nukes everywhere on the internet. A dose of reality is necessary.

All you need to do is look up the NUKEMAP website and see the actual damage a nuke can cause yourself, and then think for yourself if the damage done is enough to serve its purpose. You literally need nothing else but common sense. If you are much more interested, then read "Effects of Nuclear Weapons" by Samuel Glasstone and Philip Dolan. You can get it off the internet for free. It tells you everything you need to know about nukes and their effects which even laymen can understand. At least become informed before peddling lies and misinformation.

Until you are better informed, all your posts are simply funny to more knowledgeable people.

It wasn't nonsense he is a worldwide respected scientist who showed you the damage that Pakistani nuclear weapons will cause. You write about common sense but can't understand that it's not just simply about blast radius, flash, burns and other assorted affects during the explosion, but what happens after. Numerous articles were linked in that response which showed you that damage will be more widespread than the initial affects.
You write the biggest amount of bull$hit on this forum, when even experts debunk the stupid claims you make, you carry on like some lame banshee.
Oh and please don't flatter yourself, your knowledge is akin to that of a child's who has played too much Call of Duty. You dismiss experts outright, write outrageous myths on here and claim to find my posts funny. No problem, people say things to make themselves feel better like you are doing here.
 
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Hmmm i seriously wonder if both Pakistan and India are both being taken on a ride. Pakistan spends big bucks and gets new weaponry, to counter that India spends big bucks and buys new weaponry, then to counter that Pakistan spends big bucks.........................its a vicious circle and other countries are profiteering

@Indus Pakistan @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @Imran Khan
Yes the subcontinent is full of idiots who just chest thump but reality is that the white man and the chinese are the real winners. Both countries lose
 
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Hahahaha you are wasting your time with this one. He lives in fantasy world which has no boundaries. Reality and knowledge is lost on him.

The clips shown demonstrate plenty of capability, they mean everything in this context.

Pay particular attention to the HTK demonstrated in the last two clips.



Corrected: ...Pakistani navy will be at the same level that india was in 1997?

No. There is no such evidence yet. Once the Type 054As come to Pakistan, sometime in 2021 or so, then PN will be at the same level as what IN had on the Delhi class in 1997. Of course, it's more modern than a 1997 Delhi class, but more or less the same kind of capability upgrade as IN received at the time.

Actually, the Delhi has twice the firepower of the Type 054A and carries two helicopters, so you can actually compare the Type 054A to the Talwar class that was introduced in 2003 instead. The firepower is more or less the same, although I admit the air defence capability on Talwar will be a notch below the Type 054A until the Talwar class undergoes upgrades, which is happening as we speak.

So you will have to wait until 2021 for evidence.





More talking and NO evidence. It means you are making it all up. There is NO truth to what you are saying............:lol:.........can you post EVEN 1 link that ACTUALLY proves what you are saying?[/QUOTE]

He never has any evidence for anything. What do you expect of someone who junks the writings of well renowned physicists?
 
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More proof:

Show this to someone who actually knows something about SAMs.



You can't no much if there is no evidence to your claims.........:lol:

No. We do not make decisions to go to war based on emotions.

And if we do go to war, it will be at a time when we can go to war like how the US did with Iraq. Basically we want to become so rich that we can wage wars with just our defence budget, without affecting our main economy. If we go to war today, even without nukes it can set India back by many years. It's entirely not worth the gamble today.

Not to mention, we are now modernising and reform. Let's at least wait until it's over since the military needs time to train once they have new equipment and new formations.

Also, as long as Pakistan is unstable, we will not go to war. So that's another added advantage for you. Meaning, we don't want to be the cause of unity in Pakistan.

For us, war is an absolute last resort, but it's not off the table.



You are free to test it out. :D




All talk, hot air and bluster. Yet still NO evidence that verifies ANY of your claims......:disagree:......keep talking, but nothing happening in reality.........:lol:

Hahahaha you are wasting your time with this one. He lives in fantasy world which has no boundaries. Reality and knowledge is lost on him.




Typical of his kind. Keep talking, blowing hot air but doing nothing in reality. I am perfectly happy with that arrangement....:lol:





More talking and NO evidence. It means you are making it all up. There is NO truth to what you are saying............:lol:.........can you post EVEN 1 link that ACTUALLY proves what you are saying?

He never has any evidence for anything. What do you expect of someone who junks the writings of well renowned physicists?[/QUOTE]
 
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With the abnormal hatred indians have against Pakistan & the daily venom spewed against us; IF the indians could beat us in a war they would have attacked us by now. Especially since they have the backing of the West and Russia and are more than 7× bigger than us. The fact that they havn't, speaks volumes in itself. The only war indians can fight against Pakistan is talking big and blowing hot air on the internet. Nothing more.
The most recent and 1 of the potent examples is of s-400..
All over in media it is being talked that 5/7 s-400 batteries will be deployed on Pakistan border.What you wanna say on this @randomradio ? You say that your enemy is China and you currently are taking every actions to counter China than why don't your armed forces deploy 5 on Chinese and rest on our border.
This act by your so-called army is more than enough to proof that lethality of our weapons.Your knowledge is indeed commendable but patriotism gets in your way as always.
 
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The most recent and 1 of the potent examples is of s-400..
All over in media it is being talked that 5/7 s-400 batteries will be deployed on Pakistan border.What you wanna say on this @randomradio ? You say that your enemy is China and you currently are taking every actions to counter China than why don't your armed forces deploy 5 on Chinese and rest on our border.
This act by your so-called army is more than enough to proof that lethality of our weapons.Your knowledge is indeed commendable but patriotism gets in your way as always.

He's banned from the thread. He has no sense of respect, posts fantasies to annoy people, discredits any expert opinion/third party links and constantly trolls topics till they are off-topic, then leaves. We've seen his type plenty of times on this forum.

@Goku-kun , he's banned from this thread. Thanks bro.
 
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But aren't your AAD/PDVs enough for our missiles so why you purchased s-400 and if you did than why didn't you deploy them on Chinese border?

He's banned from the thread. He has no sense of respect, posts fantasies to annoy people, discredits any expert opinion/third party links and constantly trolls topics till they are off-topic, then leaves. We've seen his type plenty of times on this forum.

@Goku-kun , he's banned from this thread. Thanks bro.
Ok bro.
 
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Makes no difference.



It has and it failed.



That's what they told you and you believed them, more fool you guys.




That's an older missile but still took it out of action and killed sailors, the missiles you will be facing are far more destructive.



I know more than you do, you're still on record for dismissing a nuclear physicist, one of the most pathetic things ever seen on this forum.



The numbers game is not childish, they have a quality of their own, that's the first rule of fighting an numerically superior foe. With the technological superiority you have, you face utter destruction. It's hard for you to swallow I understand this...



You lose as you have far less assets, and the ones you have will be busy engaging threats on multiple front, which means your forces will be overwhelmed. The Chinese will be bringing supply ships with them and this is something they have placed as a priority, you are obviously blissfully unaware of this;

There are now ten Type-903 and Type-903A vessels serving in the Chinese fleet, according to Bei. The vessels displace 25,000 tons and are able to carry 10,500 tons fuel, 250 tons of fresh water and 680 tons of ammunition

With its growing fleet of supply vessels, the PLAN is slowly transitioning into a global force that can project power around the world similar to the U.S. Navy. The PLAN is not quite there yet, but Beijing is certainly heading in that direction.


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-navy-going-global-28467

There's also the option of friendly ports, but this can of course be limited during wartime.





They're already making investments in their long range deployments, this has been written about extensively on this forum and elsewhere. Their frigates are superior to yours as are their destroyers. They operate more frigates than your entire fleet, it's laughable you write about their ships in such a way.
Pummel Sri-Lanka and Myanmar, I dare you try, the world will cut you off in a heartbeat with massive sanctions crippling your country. Your posts are the worst on this forum by a long shot.




They will enter and take damage as will your ships and defences. The difference is they will come back with greater numbers and you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REPLACE YOUR LOSSES. Then the fight will more so one sided you cannot imagine.
Professionals talk about the long-term prospects, the short-sighted like yourself only see one battle.




You can field as many as you want, you will still be outnumbered 3:1 and that gap will grow further as the PLAN expand. You can't field more ships as you don't have the economy or capacity to do so. I deal with facts, you live off dreams.
The PLAN already operates 37 destroyers what are you talking about! You operate less than a fraction of that, and do you think the will just stop at that!!!! The gap will grow further.




It wasn't nonsense he is a worldwide respected scientist who showed you the damage that Pakistani nuclear weapons will cause. You write about common sense but can't understand that it's not just simply about blast radius, flash, burns and other assorted affects during the explosion, but what happens after. Numerous articles were linked in that response which showed you that damage will be more widespread than the initial affects.
You write the biggest amount of bull$hit on this forum, when even experts debunk the stupid claims you make, you carry on like some lame banshee.
Oh and please don't flatter yourself, your knowledge is akin to that of a child's who has played too much Call of Duty. You dismiss experts outright, write outrageous myths on here and claim to find my posts funny. No problem, people say things to make themselves feel better like you are doing here.
Its not 3:1 more like 6:1
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Vs PLAN
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Also IN has inflated no. For example they barely have 8 sub active not 14.. While PLAN is almost all new
 
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in development, you see that the fuse technology is still being worked, the warhead explodes on the other side of the target.
this missile designed to take on much larger ships and should explore right inside in a 20k+ tonner. the target ship is too small to trap it. Testing on a large ship would be a bit luxury. :-)

Freakish firepower!

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there are 8 replenishedment ships - types 903a in PLAN.
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