Galwan Valley. China got India by the neck?

[Han Patriot]

LOL the former Indian army chief, on June 6, confirmed that PLA are in the Indian side of the LAC in Galwan

Watch all the Indians go crazy deluding themselves!

I can sense their fear when they talk, it's self assuring themselves. Lololol

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Let me link you again. Seems it's not going your thick skull. Now try to hide behind Sanghi and bhakt excuse.

Pakistan is not linked with this current situation someone said?? LOL.

The best part of this analysis:

• The entire Indian Army is now denigrated into "glorious" policemen offering janitorial services all along the LAC. Even their strike corps are being mobilized for this duty
• Since India has to physically prevent the Chinese incursions without firing any shots, the Indian Army has to be alert 24/7 along these inhospitable remote areas with extreme heights, winters etc. Say good bye to the morale, warrior type aggressive mindset etc.
• IA has to drastically cut training for the real warfare, modernization etc.
• The present Indian military leadership is reinforcing the failed doctrines: two-front war
• India's best options to survive: make peace with Pak, and cooperate with China

 

[drunken-monke]

The best part of this analysis:

• The entire Indian Army is now denigrated into "glorious" policemen offering janitorial services all along the LAC. Even their strike corps are being mobilized for this duty
• Since India has to physically prevent the Chinese incursions without firing any shots, the Indian Army has to be alert 24/7 along these inhospitable remote areas with extreme heights, winters etc. Say good bye to the morale, warrior type aggressive mindset etc.
• IA has to drastically cut training for the real warfare, modernization etc.
• The present Indian military leadership is reinforcing the failed doctrines: two-front war
• India's best options to survive: make peace with Pak and cooperate with China

And post peace with Pakistan and surrender to china, what next. China will continue to claim another area of India.. They keep on increasing their claim lines. Once you bow down, you do it forever..

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

And post peace with Pakistan and surrender to china, what next. China will continue to claim another area of India.. They keep on increasing their claim lines. Once you bow down, you do it forever..

China has made an algorithm out of it! They'll repeat it like in a "for" loop!! If you want to stop it you've go to war...

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Why you interfere our internal matters in 71, why you start a issue of siachin, and we are divided at the time of 1999 (govt/Establishments) that why we didn't win

we havent lost anything or any war.. Bd have to be seprate state unfortunatily enemy took advantage to this process. 1999 we took some of the places and returned just like in 71 after war we went to orignal areas.

 

[scorpionx]

we havent lost anything or any war.. Bd have to be seprate state unfortunatily enemy took advantage to this process. 1999 we took some of the places and returned just like in 71 after war we went to orignal areas.

You lost something that is beyond repair and achievable again. What Pakistan lost in 1999 is its credibility and reputation in the world as a responsible state. The crack in civilian and military leadership became wide open, panick and haste in decision making process and subsequent overthrough of an elected government once again did not add something beautiful to Pakistan's overall image.

I know Pakistanis will deny vehemently this and will come up all abuse and mindless arguments, but thats how it is. Just look at the language used by then American diplomats, you will know.

 

[newb3e]

China has made an algorithm out of it! They'll repeat it like in a "for" loop!! If you want to stop it you've go to war...

haha

IndiaResponse = False

while != IndiaResponse:
occupation += 60
print("Hindu khatay may hai")

 

[Arbiter]

You lost something that is beyond repair and achievable again. What Pakistan lost in 1999 is its credibility and reputation in the world as a responsible state. The crack in civilian and military leadership became wide open, panick and haste in decision making process and subsequent overthrough of an elected government once again did not add something beautiful to Pakistan's overall image.

I know Pakistanis will deny vehemently this and will come up all abuse and mindless arguments, but thats how it is. Just look at the language used by then American diplomats, you will know.

The hell are you on about. The civil-military relation is the best it has ever been. Despite all challenges - a brutal war against terrorism - civilian governments have completed their terms and successfully transferred power through elections. Since the new administration, our civilian and military leadership have constantly been invited to different world forums. The world acknowledges the change in Pakistans' civilian and military leadership. Pakistan has an active leading role in peace talks in Afghanistan. The decision to retaliate to India's aggression (fake surgical strike) was lead by the civilian government and executed by the military. This new reality has been a headache for India for the past two years.

 

[newb3e]

The hell are you on about. The civil-military relation is the best it has ever been. Despite all challenges - a brutal war against terrorism - civilian governments have completed their terms and successfully transferred power through elections. Since the new administration, our civilian and military leadership have constantly been invited to different world forums. The world acknowledges the change in Pakistans' civilian and military leadership. Pakistan has an active leading role in peace talks in Afghanistan. The decision to retaliate to India's aggression (fake surgical strike) was lead by the civilian government and executed by the military. This new reality has been a headache for India for the past two years.

for indian world is all sqr kms of india minus 60 sqr kms recently taken over by china thats his/her world! so their opinions dont matter they live in a orange bubble that actually shrank by 60 km few days back!

 

[scorpionx]

The hell are you on about. The civil-military relation is the best it has ever been. Despite all challenges - a brutal war against terrorism - civilian governments have completed their terms and successfully transferred power through elections. Since the new administration, our civilian and military leadership have constantly been invited to different world forums. The world acknowledges the change in Pakistans' civilian and military leadership. Pakistan has an active leading role in peace talks in Afghanistan. The decision to retaliate to India's aggression (fake surgical strike) was lead by the civilian government and executed by the military. This new reality has been a headache for India for the past two years.

I quoted a person who claimed Pakistan did not suffer any significant loss in 1999.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

You lost something that is beyond repair and achievable again. What Pakistan lost in 1999 is its credibility and reputation in the world as a responsible state. The crack in civilian and military leadership became wide open, panick and haste in decision making process and subsequent overthrough of an elected government once again did not add something beautiful to Pakistan's overall image.

I know Pakistanis will deny vehemently this and will come up all abuse and mindless arguments, but thats how it is. Just look at the language used by then American diplomats, you will know.

To hell with this precption, credibilities, judgments and reputaions of world few years ago a india cheifminister was banned in US travel list now he is best friend of the same country's president, this is how they change its preception.
Pakistan is brave beautiful and bold this is reality.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

My, erm, 'diatribes' are based on Chinese government opinions, written down in their official publication.

LOL.

LOL the former Indian army chief, on June 6, confirmed that PLA are in the Indian side of the LAC in Galwan

Watch all the Indians go crazy deluding themselves!

Indeed. Its Bollywood nation fed on fairy tales, deluded about some imaginary greatness that never was.

The best part of this analysis:

• The entire Indian Army is now denigrated into "glorious" policemen offering janitorial services all along the LAC. Even their strike corps are being mobilized for this duty
• Since India has to physically prevent the Chinese incursions without firing any shots, the Indian Army has to be alert 24/7 along these inhospitable remote areas with extreme heights, winters etc. Say good bye to the morale, warrior type aggressive mindset etc.
• IA has to drastically cut training for the real warfare, modernization etc.
• The present Indian military leadership is reinforcing the failed doctrines: two-front war
• India's best options to survive: make peace with Pak, and cooperate with China

Plus the chap Gen Bippin Rawat, whose life was spared by Pakistan during OP swift retort, must resign.

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL.



Indeed. Its Bollywood nation fed on fairy tales, deluded about some imaginary greatness that never was.



Plus the chap Gen Bippin Rawat, whose life was spared by Pakistan during OP swift retort, must resign.

I agree that Bipin Rawat should resign, but do not know your reasons for saying it. Your face-saving mention of his having been spared his life during your counter-strike is noted; this is called scraping the bottom of the barrel (and before you say it, let me inform you that finding Rawat there is a natural thing).

The problem with your fantasising posts is that they are ALL based on a possible collusion, not a probable one, because it is so far-fetched, between the Pakistan Army and the PLA GF. They are ALL based on the Chinese moves on the frontier being primarily driven by concern for Pakistan's interests, in general, in economic terms relating to the CPEC, and thirdly, in Kashmir. They are ALL based on a hope that this will see a coming together of allied forces in that area to the great satisfaction of Pakistan's aims (not published yet, other than the constant seven-decade old theme of recovering Kashmir).

Unfortunately, two facts come in the way of this beautiful vision ever becoming reality.

First, the Chinese have occupied no extra territory; what they have done is to strengthen their forces in areas already under their regular passage and control. Their overlooking the Dubrok-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie Road has been suggested, but there is little to show that this is in their set of aims.

Second, the Chinese have numerous reasons to seek to pressurise India, reasons that have been recited again and again and again, to the great annoyance of fanboys, who want a happy ending to this latest video-game of theirs. These reasons neither call for them to support Pakistan in any conflict, nor to extend their crisis with India beyond a point before seeking a resolution that will amount to a status quo ante.

That is why I find fuming and angry posts very dull and boring; they try to reasoning and logic, and established facts, with raw emotion, not realising that it gives up to the other side the clear story of the decline of the situation to their west. It is clear from these extensive posts about China relieving Indian pressure on opponents on the Indian western frontier that there was indeed an Indian pressure. Something that has been denied all along.

It is a truism of the India-Pakistan conversation over the years that Pakistan and her representatives should deny any feature of the military confrontation strenuously at the beginning, and then collapse into admissions of guilt later. As is happening right now, right here on this thread.

 

[Han Patriot]

I agree that Bipin Rawat should resign, but do not know your reasons for saying it. Your face-saving mention of his having been spared his life during your counter-strike is noted; this is called scraping the bottom of the barrel (and before you say it, let me inform you that finding Rawat there is a natural thing).

The problem with your fantasising posts is that they are ALL based on a possible collusion, not a probable one, because it is so far-fetched, between the Pakistan Army and the PLA GF. They are ALL based on the Chinese moves on the frontier being primarily driven by concern for Pakistan's interests, in general, in economic terms relating to the CPEC, and thirdly, in Kashmir. They are ALL based on a hope that this will see a coming together of allied forces in that area to the great satisfaction of Pakistan's aims (not published yet, other than the constant seven-decade old theme of recovering Kashmir).

Unfortunately, two facts come in the way of this beautiful vision ever becoming reality.

First, the Chinese have occupied no extra territory; what they have done is to strengthen their forces in areas already under their regular passage and control. Their overlooking the Dubrok-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie Road has been suggested, but there is little to show that this is in their set of aims.

Second, the Chinese have numerous reasons to seek to pressurise India, reasons that have been recited again and again and again, to the great annoyance of fanboys, who want a happy ending to this latest video-game of theirs. These reasons neither call for them to support Pakistan in any conflict, nor to extend their crisis with India beyond a point before seeking a resolution that will amount to a status quo ante.

That is why I find fuming and angry posts very dull and boring; they try to reasoning and logic, and established facts, with raw emotion, not realising that it gives up to the other side the clear story of the decline of the situation to their west. It is clear from these extensive posts about China relieving Indian pressure on opponents on the Indian western frontier that there was indeed an Indian pressure. Something that has been denied all along.

It is a truism of the India-Pakistan conversation over the years that Pakistan and her representatives should deny any feature of the military confrontation strenuously at the beginning, and then collapse into admissions of guilt later. As is happening right now, right here on this thread.

Sure just like your media claiming no Chinese in Doklam. Lol

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I agree that Bipin Rawat should resign, but do not know your reasons for saying it. Your face-saving mention of his having been spared his life during your counter-strike is noted; this is called scraping the bottom of the barrel (and before you say it, let me inform you that finding Rawat there is a natural thing).

With each reply you are getting more senile and ludicrous in your narrative and arguments. Clearly, despite pointed on several occasion to listen to what your own, Paravin Sawhney is saying, you didn't even bother listen to the man. Had you listen to him, for your disappointment, its not my suggestion that Rawat should resign, that what Parvin is saying. Rawat can stay as life long chief of Indian armed forces for all I care. The man who was "pinged" will always remain in physiological discomfort when dealing with us. As for finding him, indeed not a big thing, but the audacity to ping a sitting Indian army chief is where I give 10/10 marks.

The problem with your fantasising posts is that they are ALL based on a possible collusion, not a probable one, because it is so far-fetched, between the Pakistan Army and the PLA GF. They are ALL based on the Chinese moves on the frontier being primarily driven by concern for Pakistan's interests, in general, in economic terms relating to the CPEC, and thirdly, in Kashmir. They are ALL based on a hope that this will see a coming together of allied forces in that area to the great satisfaction of Pakistan's aims (not published yet, other than the constant seven-decade old theme of recovering Kashmir).

Since when securing CPEC/OBOR becomes only "Pakistani concern" ???

We are responsible for the security on our side and if you have bothered with the maps and geography, Chinese are now doing their bit from their side. A collectively responsibility one might say.

Ofcourse Kashmir is just next to the area of conflict which might be sucked into this issue at some point as a side effect, but for time being , its all about securing CPEC/OBOR from any misadventure, direct or indirect (using hybrid war which Rawat/Dovel has been peddling).

First, the Chinese have occupied no extra territory; what they have done is to strengthen their forces in areas already under their regular passage and control. Their overlooking the Dubrok-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie Road has been suggested, but there is little to show that this is in their set of aims.

Pardon my French, but who the hell are you to make such outlandish claim? Have you even listened to your analysts, ex servicemen, general and even ex army chief? The land you claim, is under Chinese boots as we speak. Worst, the Galwan valley which overlooks DBO road, was not even disputed chunk of territory where PLA has encroached within the firing range of the road. To make matter worse for India, PLA refused to discuss Galwan valley with India. Consider it done and dusted.

Second, the Chinese have numerous reasons to seek to pressurise India, reasons that have been recited again and again and again, to the great annoyance of fanboys, who want a happy ending to this latest video-game of theirs. These reasons neither call for them to support Pakistan in any conflict, nor to extend their crisis with India beyond a point before seeking a resolution that will amount to a status quo ante.

Indian fanboys, rather sheepishly keep on living in some alice and wonderland, self concocted ideas , as if China is bound to fight Pakistan wars. Hilarious. No, never was or will be. Its a affront to our own military might and power. Why would we need such assistance anyway?

Nations come together when their strategic interests align. Pakistan and China are on same boat. CPEC/OBOR is the top priority of the Chinese establishment specially in current atmosphere where things are heating up in south China sea. India is on the opposite camp and seen as a threat for not so hidden reasons. Indian leadership itself, both military and civil are suffer rather public and uncontrollable diarrhea over CPEC, which mind you in an understanding to two sovereign nations. So, consider this current situation as a gentle slap, a reminder to what is at stake here and if you stays in your limits, long may you live happy after.

What is your definition of status quo? Conceding more territory to PLA without firing a single bullet? If that's how India seek peace with China, long may this continue.