This from the genius who thinks that DBO threatens the Karakorum Highway.
Please feel free to self immolate infront of Zee news headquarters.
https://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/why-is-daulat-beg-oldie-so-important-for-india_870595.html
India holds the airstrip dear as it can use the airstrip for fast deployment of men and material to the region and can potentially block the Karakoram highway between China and Pakistan.
Given reports that China has taken over the Gilgit-Baltistan area on lease from Pakistan for 50 years, Daulat Beg Oldie presents a real challenge to Chinese plans. China is also working on a plan to link the Karakoram highway to the Gwadar port in Pakistan – given it a strategic exit to Arabian Sea.
Also, the airstrip is important to help India safeguard the Siachen Glacier as essential supplies can be airlifted in times of emergency or when roads get blocked due to inclement weather.
Of course. Perfectly tailored to bring hope to a situation where one side has an overwhelming superiority over the other. So now Big Brother gallops up to save the situation, and suddenly, according to this hopeful prayer come true, all the pressure is off the LOC and on the LAC.
How utterly ridiculous can these keyboard warriors get? Yes, there is a temporary occupation of the heights flanking the DBO road where it crosses the Shyok River, but of what value is it? The PLA has had these temporary encampments before, it has had its problems with Indian infrastructure building before - even waterlines for a civilian settlement were strenuously objected to, because the Chinese object to any and every bit of infrastructure built. The infrastructure remains, water lines remain, the patrols remain, the road remains - the only difference is in the minds of those watching the situation.
So Pakistani fanboys think that their day in the Sun has come, that now is the beginning of the end, that soon there will be a link-up between the two military forces across the Aksai Chin to Baltistan line, and there will be a serious and permanent effect on Indian military capabilities in the region. Chinese fanboys are now proving their military sagacity by showing how effective video games have shown light tanks to be, and how therefore deploying light tanks in the region is now a game changer (apart from pissing into the Shyok). Who else? Indian fanboys are absent; this is a military topic and delicate darlings do not comment on military matters, but confine their fire and brimstone to social and political topics, usually to justify horrible developments that show them and their Indian political faction in a bad light.
Chinese , this time are not on the peaks of Galwan river valley to piss in it, they are there to stay.
Rather is typing all the non sense, you should asking the right questions. Why now? Why Chinese have come in huge numbers and resources which is unprecedented.
Noted with appreciation. First, create a purely fantastic situation out of the reality that there there is a troop build-up and additional troops are assigned to reinforce an existing Army Corps. Then show that this was to have happened anyway, and it is just a question of today being the right time for implementation. Finally, extend the fantasy to a famous victory and a ticker-tape parade for the victors.
Which part of this Maula Jat equivalent in military terms is obvious? All that is obvious is wishful thinking.
Which part of Maula Jat fantacy is it that you just lost 60 sq Kms of your claimed territory to PLA, without firing a single bullet?
This is not a blog. The thread from the start says NOTHING of importance except that the DBO road is now potentially vulnerable to interdicting fire from Chinese positions. The earlier posts have no bearing on the location of DBO, and have nowhere talked in a silly vein about Indian positions making the Karakorum Highway vulnerable.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/galwan-valley-china-got-india-by-the-neck.669660/page-3#post-12397249
Yes, the old chestnut: How often do you beat your wife?
Let us play the game.
So far there has been no humiliation, except what feverish Pakistani imaginations have wished had happened. There are additional troops on both sides. There has been no military action; there has been none since Nathu La in 1967, and scuffles between the soldiers of both sides have none of them resulted in shots being fired. During the Doklam difference of opinion, Indian troops crossed their boundary line, physically halted the construction activity that was going on, and then retired to their original positions once there was an agreement. The Chinese have saved face by claiming that their road-building plant and equipment remain where they were, and their troops remain where they were, turning attention away from the fact that they stopped construction work.
Here, too, nothing has happened. It is increasingly clear that this is an episode, one that was created by Chinese frustration on an alarmingly large number of issues that have occurred to bother their top leadership elsewhere, and that this is not in any way a direct intervention on behalf of Pakistan, but something that China would have done out of her own autonomous motives. Only the wildly excitable fanboys from Pakistan and China see any collusion.
The second thing that you need to think about (keep an icebag ready) is that the PRC shares a land boundary with only one other of the countries you mentioned. The last time they met in battle, the Vietnamese handed the PLA its head on a platter. In contrast, the last exchange of bullets between China and India was in 1967, and the setback to the Chinese was twelve years earlier.
Ofcourse lets play this game, I love this.
Lets start with your so called talks with India which btw was a "flag meeting". Indian 3 start general left to wait for his Chinese counter part for almost one and half hour, which turn out to be a two star general. And the agenda, Indian request for Chinese to move back from the current occupying position of claimed Indian territory. Few questions arise. What happened to the famed Indian diplomatic core that a general's neck is now put forward in the firing line to do the diplomacy on India's behalf. Is he a diplomate or trained soldier? Shouldnt he be busy fighting the Chinese out of the Indian lands as we speak? That is his job for crying out loud!
No humiliation ? Boy, you Indians are thick skinned.
Of course. None of the others can pose a military threat to the PRC, except for Vietnam.
Glad you acknowledged yourself as only a nuisance.
On a geopolitical landscape, a big worry for those nations, under American patronage to see America's top dog, the only nuclear power in the quad, to cave in to Chinese with such meek surrender. Not even a whimper was heard.
So, the same hopeful question, a second, then a third time. The answer remains, yes, India is the biggest potential threat. Also, no, it is not a weak link, and no, it is not a whipping boy. All these are situations in wildly unrealistic Pakistani projections of their own fanboy military wet dreams using Chinese troops and positions on the boundary line with India.
Does this Indian protentional as threat to PRC have any practical manifestation? All we know, that Indian army has been sliding from the slopes of Himalayas like pandas for PLA to occupy Indian claimed territory, all these years. Old reports suggests 2000 sq kms, the new one suggest 38000 sq kms lost to PLA. Perhaps the truth is somewhere between these two figures.
Does any "alliance of the like mined" or "Quad" as you say lost such huge swath of territory of PLA?
All this verbiage shows only that there is a desperate need to seek some outlet from the frustration of knowing that the entire scenario in the north is not going the way it was supposed to.
Why would we feel frustrated, its you who lost the territory without firing a single bullet in defence of your motherland.
With so much innovative strategic thought on your side, is there any need for anyone else to be innovative?
I always appreciate feedback, even sometimes from garbage you can find some gems.
It is almost touching that this incident has become so important in the hearts and minds of a certain class of fanboy.
First, it was the indubitable victory of 1965, where the failure of an effort to subvert an administration by injecting trained special services troops, the loss of a critical strategic feature, the failure to recover the earlier failure by an open and unconcealed armoured attack on Indian military positions, the desperate and successful defence of a major city, a major defeat in another, separate battle, were all combined to prove that it was a victory for the aggressor because the defending side did not punish the aggression sufficiently!
Then there was the justification for losing an entire section of the population on the grounds that the defectors never belonged whole-heartedly to the country in any case - all other signs and hall-marks being deemed irrelevant for the purposes of buttressing this alibi.
There was the third armed infiltration - it being a feature of these and earlier military conflicts that one side always insisted on being detached from the situation because the armed elements fighting their battles were not their soldiers, until that moment of truth when it had to be revealed that all along, it was military people fighting in civilian attire - when an unprepared set of generals facing an unexpected reaction and a determination to reverse the clandestine gains of the aggressors saddled their own political leadership with the indefensible task of retrieving their position for them, the task of erasing military failure by pleading for intervention and settlement.
Now that there is nothing left, every minor border incident becomes the subject of an increasingly incoherent, increasingly hysterical validation of one side's military prowess in spite of being the smaller of the two.
The events at Galwan and several other locations along the LAC have come as oxygen to these parched souls, and gives them an opportunity to spin fantasies around a Sino-Pakistani collaboration to gain what they had failed to gain in several attempts, but there is no reason to wait time on such nonsense, when even the fundamental facts are not known but utterly unrealistic scenarios are reported as if these are live occurrences on the ground.
A total waste of time.
That section of my reply was not for you but hey since you barged in:
I was a battle , not war, which we convincingly won. Bit by bit we are getting there.
Its hilarious to see the Indian fanboys trying to downgrade the importance of Op swift retort.
People have different opinions but if you ask me, the biggest revelation from the events of 27th feb is not how easily PAF bombed at will around the Indian military installations, or how easy it was to shootdown IAF jets, not even rather embracing episode of IAF shooting down its own helicopter killing all onboard, but the aftermath, the complete mental freeze of Indian establishment on how to respond to Pakistan raising the stakes and climb that escalation ladder. To jump to a threat of strategic missile attack as a response goes to show that Indian establishment lost confidence in its conventional forces to respond to Pakistan within conventional means, while raising the escalation ladder. Even the Indian threat of use of strategic missiles was neutralised by Pakistan with its own threat of counter strike.
Its the mental freeze of Indian establishment which has been noted in Pakistan and worldwide. It wont be far from truth that latest Chinese , or even Nepalese actions are the aftermath of the op swift retort. Once your weakness is spotted, all wolves join in to feast on you. Its a rule of jungle out there. You were bullied that day and you caved in, despite having the diplomatic and military support from nations like America and Israel, some others as well, just like you are going in your shell now.
As someone said, that we will dominate the escalation ladder, and we did. And we will in future as well as this statement has no expiry date.
Rest of your rants are not worth my time.
