Future Pakistan-Turkish defense cooperation likely to be incremental, for now

[Trango Towers]

Though new to aircraft manufacture, he believes Pakistan has gained a slight edge over its potential partner, having co-produced the JF-17, “essentially a Chinese design based on PAF's specifications”, though there is still “need for collaboration in design and production of any new fighter.” Turkey in comparison, though having license produced F-16s, lacks comparable modern fighter design experience.

Their close relationship makes fighter co-production “logical” though, he said.

Therefore, present co-operation “could well take the shape of a ‘Block-4’ JF-17 developed by Turkey and Pakistan” to be “considered for joint design and co-production”, after which “a stealth fighter would then be a logical next step.”

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...cooperation-likely-to-be-incremental-for-now/

They said that about the JF17. No experience no this no that yet here it is butt kick su30mki

I dont agree that you cannot design 5th fighters without massive external assistance. But i think neither Pakistan nor Turkey will develop every nut and bolt. They will buy off the self solutions where available

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

China needs to be in on it and for that Turkey needs to behave

China has issues with turkey , as turkey is breaking silence on China’s Uyghurs. Uyghurs Muslims that created violence on streets of Xinjiang , that resulted in many death, Turkey is supporting Uyghurs Muslim officially.

 

[Trango Towers]

China has issues with turkey , as turkey is breaking silence on China’s Uyghurs. Uyghurs Muslims that created violence on street on Xinjiang , that resulted in many death, Turkey is supporting Uyghurs Muslim.

Spot the indian

 

[rcrmj]

Actually it would have been better if Block 4 was a stealth design.

Block-III fills up almost everything that a contemporary modern fighter does.

you have FC-31 in line``````the only question is enough fund```I let you know this much`

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Spot the indian

I don't want to derail the thread, there were many threads about Xinjiang riots . No country allows violence, extremism & terrorism. Same thing We are fighting with 75+ banned jihadi organizations & dealing with iron hands.

 

[khansaheeb]

This is a novel idea....

Pak turkey and china... Working together

Should include Iran as well to complete the gang.

 

[Signalian]

you have FC-31 in line``````the only question is enough fund```I let you know this much`

No, Pakistan has Project Azm (5th gen) in line

 

[rcrmj]

No, Pakistan has Project Azm (5th gen) in line

with whom`````Turkey``?

 

[Signalian]

with whom`````Turkey``?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/project-azm-stealth-ambition-project.522011/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pac-spells-out-project-azm-fgfa-program-etc.570987/

 

[Dazzler]

No, Pakistan has Project Azm (5th gen) in line

Both of you and @rcrmj correct.

Azm is dominantly a deep customisation of FC-31 suited for PAF's needs.

 

[Riz]

Though new to aircraft manufacture, he believes Pakistan has gained a slight edge over its potential partner, having co-produced the JF-17, “essentially a Chinese design based on PAF's specifications”, though there is still “need for collaboration in design and production of any new fighter.” Turkey in comparison, though having license produced F-16s, lacks comparable modern fighter design experience.

Their close relationship makes fighter co-production “logical” though, he said.

Therefore, present co-operation “could well take the shape of a ‘Block-4’ JF-17 developed by Turkey and Pakistan” to be “considered for joint design and co-production”, after which “a stealth fighter would then be a logical next step.”

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...cooperation-likely-to-be-incremental-for-now/

Why not try to make a stealthy f 7s with the cooperation of Afghanistan first... Lol.. Why u need to make every thing stealthy ehen we are already working on 5th generation single engine fighter ??

 

[HAIDER]

Why not try to make a stealthy f 7s with the cooperation of Afghanistan first... Lol.. Why u need to make every thing stealthy ehen we are already working on 5th generation single engine fighter ??

It seems all designs end up on JF17 block 4 semi stealth..

 

[fitpOsitive]

Though new to aircraft manufacture, he believes Pakistan has gained a slight edge over its potential partner, having co-produced the JF-17, “essentially a Chinese design based on PAF's specifications”, though there is still “need for collaboration in design and production of any new fighter.” Turkey in comparison, though having license produced F-16s, lacks comparable modern fighter design experience.

Their close relationship makes fighter co-production “logical” though, he said.

Therefore, present co-operation “could well take the shape of a ‘Block-4’ JF-17 developed by Turkey and Pakistan” to be “considered for joint design and co-production”, after which “a stealth fighter would then be a logical next step.”

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...cooperation-likely-to-be-incremental-for-now/

Rather than stealth, we should concentrate on more speed, deep penetrating, and more payload capable platforms.
Stealth seems like wastage of money.

 

[rcrmj]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/project-azm-stealth-ambition-project.522011/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pac-spells-out-project-azm-fgfa-program-etc.570987/

take the reports as a pinch of salt, as much as we wish Pakistan all the best, but you have to come to the ground at the end of the day````5th fighter is not a project can be done with just 'determination' or 'good wishes'```it needs an advanced, sophisticated and holistic system```

so far on this planet, there are only two industrial sphere/aggregate can do this job, the West leads by the U.S and China. thats it! not delusion or nationalistic ego can change this fact

In fact Pakistan has sent people to CAC/SAC, and CAC/SAC has made "unofficial" presentations of FC-31 project to your related parties, as the info is quite tight atm, so not much details avilable at my end`````````but from other angle, that SAC has already made an exported version of China's second type stealth jet with rough specifications, so it is very likely that "other" countries have showed great interests in this project``````

 

[Riz]

Rather than stealth, we should concentrate on more speed, deep penetrating, and more payload capable platforms.
Stealth seems like wastage of money.

We definitely needed a J-10c type multi role much payload capable platform... Which can strikes eastern borders of india.. Dont know why PAF is not considering about this