Funding defense projects

[MMM-E]

I hope you understand that we’re not questioning the need for most of these projects. But why TR has to pay 200€ Million for an airport that cost 50 € million to build in kutahya. ( an example given by Deliorman).

Explain that to us please.

I dont know about it ..... AKP is not God , they made many mistakes in the last 17 years

but AKP is working for developing Turkey and Turkish People
in 2001 Turkey was so undeveloped country like African countries


In 2001, 47.2% of total budget expenditures were interest expenditures .... ( resmen kanımızı emiyorlardı )

but ERDOGAN lowered interest rates from 24% to 4,9% between 2003 and 2013 .. and for the first time, the ratio of interest expenditures to budget expenditures fell below 10%

so Erdogan saved our 700 billion TL from blood sucker international interest lobby between 2003 and 2013 ....
( as of 31.12.2013 1 USD was 2.1 TL ... so 700 billion TL = $330 billion .. what a great money )

Government would modernize whole Turkey including military for $330 billion , therefore led by Erdogan Turkey develops around 700 military projects for over $70 billion


all anti-Erdogan guys should talk about it

 

[Nein]

Turks are family, only when you mix in religion do you get the distrust. It’s no secret that the distrust was sown long ago with how secularity was enforced until akp came. A lot of people were kept away from Universities etc instead of embracing them. Our culture should have been about decency and patriotism. But some see islam as the unifying factor which includes other islamic countries. No, biz bize yeteriz Türkiyem.

Many secular countries that still keep families in top positions really not just a theocracy or a monarchy that does this.

Secularity has nothing to do with it but culture and mentality.

You cant change centuries of mentality. Not just family really but its close contact or friends that can get top jobs even if they suck at it.

Religions like Islam and Christianity talk about how important family is. Islam has a lot of emphasis on tribalism and how important it is to belong to one tribe.

 

[Saithan]

I dont know about it ..... AKP is not God , they made many mistakes in the last 17 years

but AKP is working for developing Turkey and Turkish People
in 2001 Turkey was so undeveloped country like African countries


In 2001, 47.2% of total budget expenditures were interest expenditures .... ( resmen kanımızı emiyorlardı )

but ERDOGAN lowered interest rates from 24% to 4,9% between 2003 and 2013 .. and for the first time, the ratio of interest expenditures to budget expenditures fell below 10%

so Erdogan saved our 700 billion TL from blood sucker international interest lobby between 2003 and 2013 ....
( as of 31.12.2013 1 USD was 2.1 TL ... so 700 billion TL = $330 billion .. what a great money )

Government would modernize whole Turkey including military for $330 billion , therefore led by Erdogan Turkey develops around 700 military projects for over $70 billion


all anti-Erdogan guys should talk about it

Akp and rte did great things, but it’s our duty keep them accountable and stop them when they start failing. Just as akp changes ministers etc every 3rd turn. RTE should have been removed and made room for others. Promoting albayrak is all the proof we needed that he doesn’t have anyone capable of running a position by themselves. Every day he looks haunted. Agressive trying to stay in power. That’s the sign of a failing man.

You know a coalition is not sharing power only, but sharing goals. Cooperating with chp and not mhp would ensure our goals would stay the same up to at least 50-70%. But when you force your own politics without having the others with you. We face a real risk of ruining a lot of what was archived.

 

[Constantin84]

in 2001 Turkey was so undeveloped country like African countries

That is not true. In 2000 Turkey had a nominal GDP per capita equal to Poland....in 2019 it's 7000 $ per capita smaller.

 

[Deliorman]

 

[Saithan]

Adam gercekten iyi cakmis sorunun kökünü.

 

[Deliorman]

That is not true. In 2000 Turkey had a nominal GDP per capita equal to Poland....in 2019 it's 7000 $ per capita smaller.

You are right about that but let’s not forget that Poland is in a much more favorable position than Turkey too.

1. They border Germany and Central Europe while Scandinavia is on the other side of the Baltic sea. Turkey borders Iran and the rest of the Middle East and Caucasus- only countries that are poor and in war. It’s much easier for them to do business and get investments from their neighbors than it is for Turkey.

2. Since 2004 Poland is in EU from where it gets tens of billions of dollars in subsidies and financial help for absolutely free every year. It’s much easier to develop your economy and infrastructure with 20$ billion injected in your economy every year.

3. Since they joined the EU Poland sent millions of workers in Western Europe that are sending billions back home every year. Many Turks are there too but they went to Europe in the 60s and 70s and their connections to the homeland are snapped and they don’t send much money back home anymore. Plus Poland is getting well educated and integrated Ukrainian workers while Erdo filled Turkey with Syrians, Iraqis and Afghans that are not much better than our Tsigani. That last thing is only Turkey’s fault though.


Still that doesn’t change the fact that Turkey in the last few years is being run absolutely awful...

 

[UkroTurk]

who said to wait for 15 years ?
I said that Turkey develops its own Cars including SUV and Indigenous Cars to add $56 Billion to Turkish economy in 15 years ... and indigenous cars will be ready for mass production in a few years and to cut Turkey's current account deficit by $3.5 - 4 billion per year

even only 5 projects Indigenous Car , ETI Aluminium , KOZAN SODA , STAR Rafinery and CEYHAN Petrochemical Industry Zone to cut Turkey's current account deficit by $10 billion per year

and Turkey develops over 2600 projects to reduce annual imports by $130 billion



btw Turkey's foreign trade deficit decreased by 43,5% in 2019 from $55 billion to $31 billion


You compare 2002's poor undeveloped Turkey with 2020's modern Turkey ?
While there were only natural gas in 6 provinces in 2002, there is natural gas in every city today.
and in 2002 there were around 8,6 million Vehicles in Turkey , today over 23 million Vehicles
therefore energy imports are very huge

and by 2023 AKKUYU Nuclear power plant will reduce the deficit by 7%

Turkey has own potential to realise those without corruption. We don't need politicians' help , we already had our engineers and private investors integrated with global economy. Turkiye doesn't need a particular political party.

 

[MMM-E]

That is not true. In 2000 Turkey had a nominal GDP per capita equal to Poland....in 2019 it's 7000 $ per capita smaller.

if you now nothing about Turkey , its your problem


in 2002 Turkish GDP per capita was less than $3000 dollars .... ( $230 billion of GDP )
10 x Turkey = 1 Germany

and led by ERDOGAN in 2013 Turkey had $860 billion of GDP and $11.000 per capita
4 x Turkey = 1 Germany


and 2013 Erdogan said that Turkey will become one of top 10 economies in the world in 2023

but since 2013 Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the West led by the US

-- GEZI Park rebellion in 2013
-- 17-25 december 2013 judical coup attemt by FETO
-- PKK terror rebellion in 22 cities by 2015
-- 14 major ISIS terror attacks in Turkey between 2015 and 2017
-- 15 july 2016 military coup attempt by FETO
-- TRUMP attacked Turkish Economy in 2018 and 1 USD has risen to 7,2 TL from 3,9 TL in a few months

and Turkey is fighting in Iraq,Suria,Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean against many countries


Nobody attack Polland and the EU gave hundreds billions of Euros to Polland,Greece,Portugal,etc
also Polland use Euro .... even trash Greece,Portugal,Bulgaria and Romania use Euro

.... on the other hand Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the West led by the US
and Turkish currency dropped by 320% since 2013

if not , now Turkey would minimum $1,5 trillion of GDP , instead of $750 billion



btw in the last 17 years led by Erdogan Turkey spent trillion Dollars to modernize country with millions of new buildings , airports , hospitals , stadiums , Sport Centers , bridges , tunnels , high speed railways , high ways , divided roads, Metro lines, new Schools and Universties ,new Technology Centers,new Theater and Convention Centers,new Museums,new National Libraries over 350 new planes for Turkish Airlines ...

also over $135 billion Energy , Maritime and Communication investments

also Turkey develops Fighter Jets , Helicopters , UCAVs , Warships , and around 700 military projects
also indigenous high-speed train, and indigenous automobil projects ,,etc...


Polland is nothing to compare with Turkey

 

[Glass]

I wouldnt take these nominal numbers serious anyway because they revolve all around the dollar. Use PPP

 

[UkroTurk]

I wouldnt take these nominal numbers serious anyway because they revolve all around the dollar. Use PPP

You can not buy oil, raw materials, metal, concrete , energy and of course automobiles subject to PPP.

Audi wouldnt give you a discount saying you are poor country.

Or Ali Agaolu couldn't purchase copper cables, concrete etc with PPP.

Islamists had created a political crisis which ended economic crisis before akp came to power. Indeed Erdogan came to power thanks to provacations of Islamists.

Having been Selected , infidel Turkish government suddenly became an angel.

Infidel secular chp ideology was deleted , however they cant cant jail engineers and doctors. Do you think engineers, doctors, scientists and private sector investers share conservative ideology as same as you?
If secular population of Turkey were deported , there would be conservative , illeteral people who can't create a jobs.

Turkish Republic had always been a great country before you.
I repeat Turkish economy was the 15th in the world.
The world also has been changed since 2002. Italy, USA, Germany, Greece , Argentina ,Pakistan, Brazil, Russia , China, Nigeria, Ethiopia, arent as same as they were in 2000.

 

[Saithan]

if you now nothing about Turkey , its your problem


in 2002 Turkish GDP per capita was less than $3000 dollars .... ( $230 billion of GDP )
10 x Turkey = 1 Germany

and led by ERDOGAN in 2013 Turkey had $860 billion of GDP and $11.000 per capita
4 x Turkey = 1 Germany


and 2013 Erdogan said that Turkey will become one of top 10 economies in the world in 2023

but since 2013 Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the West led by the US

-- GEZI Park rebellion in 2013
-- 17-25 december 2013 judical coup attemt by FETO
-- PKK terror rebellion in 22 cities by 2015
-- 14 major ISIS terror attacks in Turkey between 2015 and 2017
-- 15 july 2016 military coup attempt by FETO
-- TRUMP attacked Turkish Economy in 2018 and 1 USD has risen to 7,2 TL from 3,9 TL in a few months

and Turkey is fighting in Iraq,Suria,Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean against many countries


Nobody attack Polland and Polland use Euro .... even trash Greece,Portugal,Bulgaria and Romania use Euro

.... on the other hand Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the West led by the US
and Turkish currency dropped by 320% since 2013

if not , now Turkey would minimum $1,5 trillion of GDP , instead of $750 billion



btw in the last 17 years led by Erdogan Turkey spent trillion Dollars to modernize country with millions of new buildings , airports , hospitals , stadiums , Sport Centers , bridges , tunnels , high speed railways , high ways , divided roads, Metro lines, new Schools and Universties ,new Technology Centers,new Theater and Convention Centers,new Museums,new National Libraries over 350 new planes for Turkish Airlines ...

also over $135 billion Energy , Maritime and Communication investments

also Turkey develops Fighter Jets , Helicopters , UCAVs , Warships , and around 700 military projects
also indigenous high-speed train, and indigenous automobil projects ,,etc...


Polland is nothing to compare with Turkey

Why do always copy past the same old answers. 2013 is irrelevant we’re in 2020.

 

[himate]

I wouldnt take these nominal numbers serious anyway because they revolve all around the dollar. Use PPP

You're right. Nominal figure is actually artificial way of measuring economy and the west love to use that methos as it favours their image but in a real life and war situation its always the PPP numbers that matter otherwise countries like Iran would have collapsed long ago.

 

[-SINAN-]

Unfortunately, nothing works as it should be in Turkey.

As we speak, CIMER ( Presidency of the Republic of Turkey Directorate of Communications, in short PR of Erdogan) bought and redecorating a 25 storey business tower in Ankara..... Why?, because they "can't fit" in to that enormous palace in Beştepe. In the times of crisis where there is corona and Lira is being devaluated, our tourism is sure to be suffer, exports dropping, we can't even find $ to pay foreign debt.

But we are building lavish buildings for the underlings of Erdogan.

And some idiots still talking about the numbers of 20 years ago, as if whole world stayed and only Turkey advanced. I'm not slightly surprised as their leader was giving examples from 19th century mining when Some Mining Disaster occured in 2014.

 

[MMM-E]

Why do always copy past the same old answers. 2013 is irrelevant we’re in 2020.

because of since 2013 Turkey and Turkish Economy under attack by the West led by the US

still some idiots blame Erdogan for economy


beyin mi yok sizler de yoksa Erdogan nefreti gözünüzü kör mü etti ?