FT.com: How China Rules The Waves (Shipbuilding Tech, Port Tech, Shipping & Maritime Network)

[TaiShang]

It's really funny that a man coming from a country with zero presence in the world shipbuilding sector laughing at the Chinese shipbuilding sector (with world's 1/3 new contracts, or total orders) and call it as "low quality / low end".

Look at the table. India's shipyards gets ZERO new orders in 1H 2018. Zero. How dare the guy coming from a country with zero competence in the shipbuilding industry laughing at China's???

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That's indeed an !ndian m!racle. But understandable.

 

[GS Zhou]

That's the reason why I always insult them, it's not because I hate Indians, it's because such a lowly slumdog country has got the audacity to even comment. If it was Koreans, Japanese or EU people, fine, they earned the respect and earned the right to critisize. Indian shipbuilding technology is very backward and efficiency is very low. Only Korean, Japanese and Chinese yard are in the competition for global high-end shipbuilding.

The same goes for semiconductors, we might be a generation or two behind but we do take a lot of effort to learn, absorb technologies and develop new technologies, including fabrication equipment. Korean and Taiwanese fabs can't make their own equipment even though they are ahead on process technologies. Yet Mr. Bussard is always commenting about how backward we are, Indians can't even make simple analog chips let alone high-end chips. Hell they don't even have a decent moderb fab, it's more like low yield lab projects on very primitive technologies.

so true. It is really funny and ironic that B.R. keeping posting that China is backward in this, or backward in that. But in fact China is much much ahead of his country in almost all manufacturing sectors.

It's like a bad student who only gets 20 in the maths test, but laughs at his neighboring classmate that "you are backward in maths!" However, this shame!ess student pretends to forget that the neighboring classmate he laughs at gets 90 in the maths test.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Bussard, I am in the industry, you have no idea what you are talking about. The whole FPSO, FLNG, semisub newbuild, LNG ships are moving en-mass to China. Almost all major EPC has got a tie-up with Chinese yards to win international projects. My Korean colleagues are all very bitter about the high end ships moving to China. Some were relocated to Qingdao and Yangtze delta. Only 3 countries make LNG ships competitively nowadays China, Korea, Japan. Japan is dead and concentrating more on licensing and the LNG tanks. China and Korea are the only two remaining competitive suppliers.

This is the project I am doing now. The cylindrical hull FPSO was first made by China using Sevan Marine design, at that time no yards took the challenge except Chinese yards, it was new and bold. Working with the Norwegians, we proved ourselves worthy and from that day on, all Sevan Marine hulls are made in China.

https://www.fluor.com/projects/shell-penguins-fpso

I am talking using thorough data.

South Korea commanded a significant majority share of the LNG market. And also secured the highest orders in 2018.

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/2018-shipbuilding-review-mind-the-unit/

It's really funny that a man coming from a country with zero presence in the world shipbuilding sector laughing at the Chinese shipbuilding sector (with world's 1/3 new contracts, or total orders) and call it as "low quality / low end".

Look at the table. India's shipyards gets ZERO new orders in 1H 2018. Zero. How dare the guy coming from a country with zero competence in the shipbuilding industry laughing at China's???

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I am not my country. You are not your country.

So stop talking in terms of that.

I am here analyzing Chinese shipbuilding sector, and the data shows that China has slipped behind SoKo in new build orders, and continues to lag behind in high value added ships compared to SoKo.

That's the reason why I always insult them, it's not because I hate Indians, it's because such a lowly slumdog country has got the audacity to even comment. If it was Koreans, Japanese or EU people, fine, they earned the respect and earned the right to critisize. Indian shipbuilding technology is very backward and efficiency is very low. Only Korean, Japanese and Chinese yard are in the competition for global high-end shipbuilding.

The same goes for semiconductors, we might be a generation or two behind but we do take a lot of effort to learn, absorb technologies and develop new technologies, including fabrication equipment. Korean and Taiwanese fabs can't make their own equipment even though they are ahead on process technologies. Yet Mr. Bussard is always commenting about how backward we are, Indians can't even make simple analog chips let alone high-end chips. Hell they don't even have a decent moderb fab, it's more like low yield lab projects on very primitive technologies.

Again, I am not my country. And did I ever compare China to India?

But it is you people who consistenly keep comparing themselves to US and Europe and other places. I just show you the reality in your face.

Had you known the reality that is your incredible dependence on US chips and western suppliers for all kinds of stuff, you would not have taken the wrong steps that you took earlier.

so true. It is really funny and ironic that B.R. keeping posting that China is backward in this, or backward in that. But in fact China is much much ahead of his country in almost all manufacturing sectors.

It's like a bad student who only gets 20 in the maths test, but laughs at his neighboring classmate that "you are backward in maths!" However, this shame!ess student pretends to forget that the neighboring classmate he laughs at gets 90 in the maths test.

Again, I am not my country. And, I never compared China to India, did I? I compared you to world leaders, which you people dream to be. And yes, you are quite behind in many areas despite what you like to say here on this forum.

we might be a generation or two behind

And just to correct you here, you are now 4 generations behind the leaders in node process technology, and from the looks of it will soon be 5 generations behind.

 

[GS Zhou]

See, the poor student with a 20-score in maths comes here again and laughs at the good student with 90-score that "You do not earn a 100-score in the maths exam yet, hence you are backward in maths."

The more people like him in India, the better for China.

 

[Han Patriot]

I am talking using thorough data.

South Korea commanded a significant majority share of the LNG market. And also secured the highest orders in 2018.

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/2018-shipbuilding-review-mind-the-unit/






Again, I am not my country. And did I ever compare China to India?

But it is you people who consistenly keep comparing themselves to US and Europe and other places. I just show you the reality in your face.

Had you known the reality that is your incredible dependence on US chips and western suppliers for all kinds of stuff, you would not have taken the wrong steps that you took earlier.




Again, I am not my country. And, I never compared China to India, did I? I compared you to world leaders, which you people dream to be. And yes, you are quite behind in many areas despite what you like to say here on this forum.



And just to correct you here, you are now 4 generations behind the leaders in node process technology, and from the looks of it will soon be 5 generations behind.

Bhai, high value ships are not just LNG ships. It includes FPSO, Semisubs, TLPs, these are each 400-500mil a piece. Do you get it? Stop anal-lyzing using google. I am in the business. i know the real situation. Slipping? It's either us or them, sometimes they are ahead, sometimes we are, but the trend is changing because I am the client of those shipyards.

4 generations behind? SMIC process is now at 14nm, the latest is at 7nm. We already have a few equipment at 7nm from AMEC. So what makes you think we are 4 generations behind? You need to wake up to reality, India is not even in the game. It pisses me off because of a piece of shit is trying to teach us a lesson.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

4 generations behind? SMIC process is now at 14nm, the latest is at 7nm. We already have a few equipment at 7nm from AMEC. So what makes you think we are 4 generations behind? You need to wake up to reality, India is not even in the game. It pisses me off because of a piece of shit is trying to teach us a lesson.

Totally incorrect. SMIC right now is at 28 nm.

They keep talking about 14 nm, but they have been doing that now for 4 years. Their 14 nm is not even in risk production right now.

Bhai, high value ships are not just LNG ships. It includes FPSO, Semisubs, TLPs, these are each 400-500mil a piece. Do you get it? Stop anal-lyzing using google. I am in the business. i know the real situation. Slipping? It's either us or them, sometimes they are ahead, sometimes we are, but the trend is changing because I am the client of those shipyards.

4 generations behind? SMIC process is now at 14nm, the latest is at 7nm. We already have a few equipment at 7nm from AMEC. So what makes you think we are 4 generations behind? You need to wake up to reality, India is not even in the game. It pisses me off because of a piece of shit is trying to teach us a lesson.

Also, I guess you can't understand the concept of an individual and a country, can you?

See, the poor student with a 20-score in maths comes here again and laughs at the good student with 90-score that "You do not earn a 100-score in the maths exam yet, hence you are backward in maths."

The more people like him in India, the better for China.

Bhai, high value ships are not just LNG ships. It includes FPSO, Semisubs, TLPs, these are each 400-500mil a piece. Do you get it? Stop anal-lyzing using google. I am in the business. i know the real situation. Slipping? It's either us or them, sometimes they are ahead, sometimes we are, but the trend is changing because I am the client of those shipyards.

4 generations behind? SMIC process is now at 14nm, the latest is at 7nm. We already have a few equipment at 7nm from AMEC. So what makes you think we are 4 generations behind? You need to wake up to reality, India is not even in the game. It pisses me off because of a piece of shit is trying to teach us a lesson.

Why do you people have a problem in understanding the distinction between a country and a person?

Also let's even take your analogy and assume India is a child scoring 20 marks. Then I will say openly that India is a child scoring 20 marks. I have no problem.

But here, China is the child scoring 70 marks, and still cries out loud that he is scoring 95 marks, and tries to challenge the top kids.

I am pointing out the facts only.

You can see in the new thread that I posted how US has basically shut down one of your semiconductor champions simply by sanctions. JHICC was a Chinese champion in DRAM memory business. But it no longer can function without American material and equipment.

 

[Han Patriot]

Totally incorrect. SMIC right now is at 28 nm.

They keep talking about 14 nm, but they have been doing that now for 4 years. Their 14 nm is not even in risk production right now.



Also, I guess you can't understand the concept of an individual and a country, can you?





Why do you people have a problem in understanding the distinction between a country and a person?

Also let's even take your analogy and assume India is a child scoring 20 marks. Then I will say openly that India is a child scoring 20 marks. I have no problem.

But here, China is the child scoring 70 marks, and still cries out loud that he is scoring 95 marks, and tries to challenge the top kids.

I am pointing out the facts only.

You can see in the new thread that I posted how US has basically shut down one of your semiconductor champions simply by sanctions. JHICC was a Chinese champion in DRAM memory business. But it no longer can function without American material and equipment.

Since when did we say we are ahead of US, Korea and Taiwan? It was the western media saying we are threatening them. Most Chinese are humble folks unlike you Indians. Did we shout we are 95%, it seems like you are a child scoring 20% shouting that China is the kid scoring 70% shouting he is scoring 95%. It seems to me, it made you feel better we are still dependent on certain US technologies, because you can't do it, you feel happy if China is not catching up fast enough, this is the envy problem India is having.

Yes, SMIC has 14nm technology now but the process is not up and running till H1 2019, they already tested the processes but scaling up is another matter, so how can you say we are 4 generations behind? Hell if we are 4 generations behind, India is 50 generations behind? You seems to think advancement is linear, and China cannot leapfrog, why do you think AMEC is producing 7nm machines, hell they even have 5nm etchers in production? We are trying to leapfrog. Just because Indians are losers, don't associate us with you. A piece of shit teaching a the caterpillar how to bloom to become a butterfly sounds so stupid. Have you seen the Koreans and Taiwanese manufacture their own semiconductor equipment? They are strong in processes not equipment, China is in the middle, we want to be strong in both.

Example marine sector, you talk as if we are declining, the fact is Korea is the one facing a Chinese onslaught for the high end marine sector, we even make the port machinery for them. How do I know, I am in that field, and China is breathing fire down Korean necks. But you act as if you are an expert based on google, have you even been to a shipyard, step foot on an FPSO or a ship? Do you know what kind of technologies and skillset we are talking about? Hell you are only good in talking like the usual Indian, who think he knows everything, but when it comes to you doing it, you produce crap results.

AMEC 5nm plasma etching tools verified by TSMC
https://www.digitimes.com/newsshow/company.asp?datePublish=2018/12/21&pages=PD&seq=207

We have 5nm etchers now, are we ahead? Yes we are in certain equipment, but equipment and processing technology are two different things, how to utilizes the machine to produce using a certain recipe is secret. So before you go haha, China is behind, you need to see the big picture. Semiconductors are not just about processes, you need to control both process and equipment and China is pretty balanced in this regard unlike Korea and Taiwan. To be honest, US don't even have the 5nm etchers we are producing. Why don't you laugh at US and say they are behind?

Jinhua Semiconductor? That's just ONE memory maker, the real champion is YANGTZE MEMORY who just introduced a groundbreaking 3D NAND. We only grow stronger every time we face hurdles, we don't go down and cry and import like you. You ban us, we will find a way to produce what we lack. In Chinese thinking, nothing is impossible, as long as you try hard, fail, try again until you get it right. This is what separates us from Indians, you believe US is the only supreme being and you cannot be equals, it's the slumdog mentality.

 

[sinait]

Actually according to Clarkson research, the premium shipping intelligence body, Chinese new build orders were behind South Korea's for the last year.

Not only that, these statistics are usually given in tonnage. China would be further behind in value since China makes the cheap and low quality ships, while South Korea makes higher end ships.

And Korean Shipbuilding got something to do with an INDIAN?
Better if you tell us more about how that Indian submarine explode in port,
And why that INDIAN WARSHIP CAPSIZED in dry dock.
BUSYBODY SOUR GRAPE.
.

Totally incorrect. SMIC right now is at 28 nm.

They keep talking about 14 nm, but they have been doing that now for 4 years. Their 14 nm is not even in risk production right now.

Also, I guess you can't understand the concept of an individual and a country, can you?

Why do you people have a problem in understanding the distinction between a country and a person?

Also let's even take your analogy and assume India is a child scoring 20 marks. Then I will say openly that India is a child scoring 20 marks. I have no problem.

But here, China is the child scoring 70 marks, and still cries out loud that he is scoring 95 marks, and tries to challenge the top kids.

I am pointing out the facts only.

You can see in the new thread that I posted how US has basically shut down one of your semiconductor champions simply by sanctions. JHICC was a Chinese champion in DRAM memory business. But it no longer can function without American material and equipment.

You sure you taken your meds today?

China is behind catching up fast with the leader, the lone superpower of the world.
That's what makes the US shivering in their boots, increasingly using despicable ways to stop the rise of the only nation able to compete with the US.

Being able to challenge the sole economic and military superpower is by itself a tremendous feat, let alone it may exceed the US in the near future.
Beggar India can only dream and keep on begging the US for alms and giveaway.
.

 

[Han Patriot]

And Korean Shipbuilding got something to do with an INDIAN?
Better if you tell us more about how that Indian submarine explode in port,
And why that INDIAN WARSHIP CAPSIZED in dry dock.
BUSYBODY SOUR GRAPE.
.


You sure you taken your meds today?

China is behind catching up fast with the leader, the lone superpower of the world.
That's what makes the US shivering in their boots, increasingly using despicable ways to stop the rise of the only nation able to compete with the US.

Being able to challenge the sole economic and military superpower is by itself a tremendous feat, let alone it may exceed the US in the near future.
Beggar India can only dream and keep on begging the US for alms and giveaway.
.

The US doesnt control the whole supply chain but they do control certain parts and technologies. To them they rather sacrifice business than to allow China to catch up easily. No worries, we will just continue and work hard. It's not that what they produce is impossible to replicate, it just takes time, China never really thought they need to produce 100% of what they need, because it was cheaper and faster to get it from the global supply chain. What has history shown us, the more you push China, the stronger she becomes.

 

[sinait]

Let him say he want. U guys ferociously calling bussard out only serves to proves you're insecure when he IS the one that is envious, jealous and insecure.

I cant be bothered to reply to any of his posts anymore- the chinése r just too far ahead in another planet already.

East Asians all have the distinctive traits that propells them to the top tier of humanity. The grand testimonial of this is IQ. With IQ comes the mind that provides innovation and creativity- and with them comes technology and productivity.

Btw, I just came back from the supermarket and he was pacing up n down, avoiding all eye contact and reeked of insecurity that i could smell aside from that typical foul indian body odour.

I noticed everyone was chinese inside with only a cashier n him being indians and they both shined like black christmas trees.

Not really.
Sometimes good to let off some practice punches on him without wasting too much time on facts and data.
Since he volunteered to be punching bag, we should obliged.

Its not about insecurity, its about practice with a punching bag.
Shiok.
.

 

[TaiShang]

Obviously it is very normal for even advanced countries to have some sectors/areas left untouched, because it runs contrary to logic to try to excel at everything under the sun and make them by oneself.

Comparative advantage allows global trade and communication. As @Han Patriot says, only when there is obvious enmity and attempt to strangle a whole national industry, then, as in the case of China now, a country will seek leading status at every advanced industry.

Obviously it is a great achievement for China to have such a major say in shipbuilding and quality orders. There is competition and some areas China excels. It is obviously not enough, but, for a developing country like Mainland China, this is still a good start.

 

[oprih]

China dominates as usual.

Meanwhile legend says that till this day @Bussard Ramjet is still whining and bitching like a girl about China's success in every relevant industry.

 

[Bilal9]

Let him say he want. U guys ferociously calling bussard out only serves to proves you're insecure when he IS the one that is envious, jealous and insecure.

I cant be bothered to reply to any of his posts anymore- the chinése r just too far ahead in another planet already.

East Asians all have the distinctive traits that propells them to the top tier of humanity. The grand testimonial of this is IQ. With IQ comes the mind that provides innovation and creativity- and with them comes technology and productivity.

Btw, I just came back from the supermarket and he was pacing up n down, avoiding all eye contact and reeked of insecurity that i could smell aside from that typical foul indian body odour.

I noticed everyone was chinese inside with only a cashier n him being indians and they both shined like black christmas trees.

Good that you got that off your chest.

Incidentally - Indians as a rule (yes that includes Pakistanis too, whose forum you're on) are far more prone of making fun of themselves than other groups.

 

[sinait]

Good that you got that off your chest.

Incidentally - Indians as a rule (yes that includes Pakistanis too, whose forum you're on) are far more prone of making fun of themselves than other groups.

And you DERIVED your characterization conclusion for 1.3 BILLION Indians from a Professional Comedian.
Very statistically CORRECT indeed.
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[JSCh]

Here are the 20 busiest ports on the planet | World Economic Forum
This article is published in collaboration with Visual Capitalist
05 Feb 2019

Nick Routley
Creative Director & Writer, Visual Capitalist

An estimated 90% of world trade is facilitated by maritime shipping, and as trade volumes continue to increase, the world’s busiest ports continue to grow larger and more efficient to meet demand.

In fact, in just the last four years, the median annual volume of the top 50 ports jumped from 5.49 to 5.86 million twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs).

Here are the world’s 20 largest ports, using the most recent data from the World Shipping Council:

Only five of the top 20 ports in the world are now located outside of East Asia. The Port of Los Angeles is the only U.S. entrant in the top 20, and only three European ports made the cut.

Today, trade is more likely than ever to flow through the South China Sea.

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Ruling the High Seas

From dollar store knick-knacks to nuclear reactor components, China’s manufacturing output is a critical link in the global supply chain. Getting all those products to consumers and companies around the world is big business, and over the past decade, China has emerged as the heavyweight champion of world shipping.

While Danish company, Maersk, is still the largest shipping line, an ever increasing share of the world’s container traffic is moving through Chinese controlled ports. An estimated two-thirds of container traffic now passes through Chinese ports or ports that have received Chinese investment.

New kids on the block

While shipping volumes on a global basis continue to rise, not all of that growth has been spread around equally. This is particularly true for established titans of the South China Sea.

At the outset of this millennium, Hong Kong and Singapore were home to the busiest ports in the world. Today, both are facing increased competition from neighboring ports, as well as declining volumes:

In contrast, the massive Port of Shanghai saw a 71% increase over the last decade, and many other Chinese ports has seen significant growth in volume in recent years.

If China’s One Belt One Road initiatives and investments in global port facilities are any indication, the country’s domination of maritime shipping will only continue to strengthen in the near term.