FSA terrorist attack Shia town in deir al zor, massacre civilians.

[Doritos11]

No, I don't change my views every week. That is something you like to say. I have had the same views for the past 3 years or so after learning the dirty role played by Iran in the region. Before I supported Hezbollah and I was a proponent of Sunni-Shia unity, at least among Arabs first, but I have figured out that this is impossible for now at least and especially since Shias are killing my people (fellow Sunni Arabs in Syria) while we speak.

It is just hypocrisy. Your 2 Iraqi Shia Twelver friends here cry about FSA (whom they falsely call foreigners despite 90 percent being Syrian often former Syrian soldiers and them being freedom fighters in many peoples eyes nor have they been recognized as a terrorist group internationally unlike other groups in Syria) while THOUSANDS of Iraqi Shia extremists have gone to Syria?

Oh, let's take this discussion a further step since many non-Arabs don't know about this. Iraq is the only country in the Middle East, probably besides Yemen, although very few Yemenis have gone to Syria, that have thousands of fighters who fight for the Child-Murderer (Shias) AND the Opposition (Sunnis). The whole Jabhat al-Nusra organization is dominated by Iraqi Sunni Arabs. The areas controlled by Jabhat al-Nusra are the Northeastern areas of Syria dominated by Sunni Syrian Bedouin tribes that are closely tied to Anbaris across the border in Iraq.

I am not a Shia. Nor have I claimed anything. I already told you that some of my ancestors once lived in Iraq during the Ottoman times and that I have some distant relatives living in Iraq (Baghdad and Al-Anbar). So what? Some lived in Syria too long ago. I am of a mixed background (Hejazi and Yemeni) and just identify as an Arab first and foremost apart from a Muslim. Obviously also with KSA and Yemen. Just 100 years ago the borders looked completely different and people did not think along the modern day borders and just emigrated freely since it was all consider Arab/Muslim land.

I have not commented on Saddam nor have you here. I thought you were against him? People can do what they want to do. Some Arabs like Saddam and some do not. Depends who you ask.

I am completely calm. I am always calm. I have been banned 4-5 times by the same moderator and last time for writing "off-topic" posts in the old Syrian thread while all other users wrote hundreds of off-topic posts without it ever being a problem. So too in the new one.

Aside from that then I remember that you where banned for over 1 month here in the beginning?



I thought that me and Mosab already tried to educate you about KSA not being a "Gulf" country and you even said yourself that you know that KSA is a very diverse country and that Hejazi's nor Najdi's are Khaleejis.

But let me repeat myself once more for the last time. This goes for other users too who are ignorant about KSA, the Peninsula and Arab world.

About 85 % of the population of KSA live in either Hejaz, Najd, Southern KSA or Northern KSA. All regions are located more distantly to the Gulf than all of Iraq. Gulf Arabic (the Arabic spoken in Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE and PARTS of Eastern Province in KSA and PARTS of Oman) is more similar to Iraqi Arabic than Hejazi and the dialects spoken in Southern KSA.

Hejazi Arabic is much closer to Egyptian/Sudanese and the Arabic spoken in Levant and Najdi than any Gulf Arabic dialect. Especially Yemeni too. Every Hejazi here would tell you that. And that is hardly a surprise when Hejaz is located just North of Yemen and just South of Levant/Sham and Egypt/Sudan is just across the beautiful Red Sea to the West.

Southern Iraqis, especially those living around Basra and surprise, surprise the Gulf, are way more close to the Gulf Area than any Hejazi, Najdi, Northern Saudi or Southern Saudi. Even when it comes to the dialect. Hope I made that clear now.

Also, I never spoke about Khomeini or Iran in this thread. Not sure what you are talking about?

If someone from Iraq speaks against Saddam he has all the right to do so considering the direction he pulled the country to and all the crimes he has comitted.
When an Iranian speaks against Saddam it is actually against Iraqi interests.
When a khaleeji speaks against Saddam it is most likely a bunch of Kuwait loving sheikhis against Iraqi interests aswell.

Another example, little of us could care if Egyptians here would criticize Nasser, but if an Israeli does it no one will take it.
The Israeli does it because he worked against Israeli interests while the Egyptian has his own reasons which are not against Egyptian interests.


I admit there are 1000s of iraqi fighters in Syria, the 2 countries are connected and share the same problem at the moment, the only difference is a border on the map saying Iraq / Syria.

Gulf/Hejaz ( GCC ), politically you are not different from each other, all monarchies, little difference, you are talking about identity, tribes and dialect while I only mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POLITICALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[al-Hasani]

If someone from Iraq speaks against Saddam he has all the right to do so considering the direction he pulled the country to and all the crimes he has comitted.
When an Iranian speaks against Saddam it is actually against Iraqi interests.
When a khaleeji speaks against Saddam it is most likely a bunch of Kuwait loving sheikhis against Iraqi interests aswell.

Another example, little of us could care if Egyptians here would criticize Nasser, but if an Israeli does it no one will take it.
The Israeli does it because he worked against Israeli interests while the Egyptian has his own reasons which are not against Egyptian interests.


I admit there are 1000s of iraqi fighters in Syria, the 2 countries are connected and share the same problem at the moment, the only difference is a border on the map saying Iraq / Syria.

Gulf/Hejaz ( GCC ), politically you are not different from each other, all monarchies, little difference, you are talking about identity, tribes and dialect while I only mean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POLITICALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I think that people can voice their opinion on any dead leader. I am not for or against Saddam personally since he was a complex figure like the Middle East in itself is a complex thing. Especially the politics. I liked some things about Saddam and I disliked some others. Anyway he is dead now and have been that for nearly 10 years. It's time to move on! I used Saddam because many Iraqi Shias cry about the Arab/Muslim support of Saddam but they are not any different when it comes to the Child-Murderer in Syria. Both are hardly that different. This was my point.

I am not sure why you have that idea of Kuwait being an enemy of Iraq? Who can they threaten in the region? Iran is the country that you should worry about since they have quite some influence in Iraq right now (after the fall of Saddam) after having no influence at all since Iraq was established.

Well, I get your point about Nasser.

Well, the Iraqi Sunni Arabs who fight together with the Syrian opposition are only connected to the Syrians living in Northeastern Syria along the Euphrates and the Syrian Desert. Dialect wise top, although they are mostly tied to Iraqis living in Ninawa and to a lesser extent Al-Anbar. The Syrians living in the South (around Damascus) are closer to Jordan and so is their dialect. The Syrians living in Latakia province (Alawis) are more close to the Shias living in nearby Lebanon.

My point is that Iraq has nothing to envy any country when it comes to their citizens role in Syria (note fighting inside Syria for either side). In fact I believe that they are the biggest group fighting on either side after the Syrians themselves!

We all know that Jabhat al-Nusra is dominated by Iraqis and they operate closely with the Islamic State of Iraq/Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This cannot be denied.

Yes, since Hejaz is just a region now and part of KSA. I must have misunderstood your post then. Yes, GCC and most Arab countries (since all Arab countries are majority Sunni expect Iraq and little Bahrain) have a somewhat similar policy towards Syria, including obviously Turkey.

But to tell the truth then the GCC support, aside from the Qatari one which has not always been good, has been laughable. Iran is much more active. But I guess it has something to do with that being their only remaining Arab ally aside from Hizbollah dominated parts of Lebanon and Southern Iraq to an extent.

Aside from Jordan who has done a amazing job of hosting many Syrian refugees and helping despite an economic crisis and limited resources. The Jordanian King is a very honorable man. It's all the damn politics and some of the useless leaders in our world.

It's time for the new generation to enter the playground and time for the old ones to leave. The generation gap is simply too big.

 

[Mosamania]

After they are done with Syria they will move to Iraq, hopefully we can see a similar thread about this with Alshawi's picture on it.

 

[Doritos11]

Well, I think that people can voice their opinion on any dead leader. I am not for or against Saddam personally since he was a complex figure like the Middle East in itself is a complex thing. Especially the politics. I liked some things about Saddam and I disliked some others. Anyway he is dead now and have been that for nearly 10 years. It's time to move on! I used Saddam because many Iraqi Shias cry about the Arab/Muslim support of Saddam but they are not any different when it comes to the Child-Murderer in Syria. Both are hardly that different. This was my point.

I am not sure why you have that idea of Kuwait being an enemy of Iraq? Who can they threaten in the region? Iran is the country that you should worry about since they have quite some influence in Iraq right now (after the fall of Saddam) after having no influence at all since Iraq was established.

Well, I get your point about Nasser.

Well, the Iraqi Sunni Arabs who fight together with the Syrian opposition are only connected to the Syrians living in Northeastern Syria along the Euphrates and the Syrian Desert. Dialect wise top, although they are mostly tied to Iraqis living in Ninawa and to a lesser extent Al-Anbar. The Syrians living in the South (around Damascus) are closer to Jordan and so is their dialect. The Syrians living in Latakia province (Alawis) are more close to the Shias living in nearby Lebanon.

My point is that Iraq has nothing to envy any country when it comes to their citizens role in Syria (note fighting inside Syria for either side). In fact I believe that they are the biggest group fighting on either side after the Syrians themselves!

We all know that Jabhat al-Nusra is dominated by Iraqis and they operate closely with the Islamic State of Iraq/Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This cannot be denied.

Yes, since Hejaz is just a region now and part of KSA. I must have misunderstood your post then. Yes, GCC and most Arab countries (since all Arab countries are majority Sunni expect Iraq and little Bahrain) have a somewhat similar policy towards Syria, including obviously Turkey.

But to tell the truth then the GCC support, aside from the Qatari one which has not always been good, has been laughable. Iran is much more active. But I guess it has something to do with that being their only remaining Arab ally aside from Hizbollah dominated parts of Lebanon and Southern Iraq to an extent.

Aside from Jordan who has done a amazing job of hosting many Syrian refugees and helping despite an economic crisis and limited resources. The Jordanian King is a very honorable man. It's all the damn politics and some of the useless leaders in our world.

It's time for the new generation to enter the playground and time for the old ones to leave. The generation gap is simply too big.

The right to share their view they have yes, but you get what I mean with those 2 examples.
If jahbat are iraqis they are still terrorist animals for the actions, though they are from the entire world.
You write too much.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

@al-Hasani

Brother, to be honest with you, your posts are too long for someone to read, not everybody has the time and energy to read them, they are informative though. Plz try to summarize your thoughts in few lines so we can read your precious posts.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

Brother, to be honest with you, your posts are too long for someone to read, not everybody has the time and energy to read them, they are informative though. Plz try to summarize your thoughts in few lines so we can read your precious posts.

Man, I am looking for a serious discussion and I am quick reader/writer. But I get the point. Sometimes you have to go into detail to teach people/share your knowledge otherwise it is just pointless to even participate in a discussion. If this forum was solely restricted to one-liners I would not be present.

If this was an Arab forum I would not need all the explaining to non-Arabs. My views are not really that complicated I would say. Anyway we have to respect that this is a Pakistani forum mainly and try to share our knowledge and views if possible despite tense threads and controversial topics that due to the unfortunate circumstances in Syria are not to be taken lightly.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@al-Hasani

You're thought are well-connected and straightforward.

 

[T-123456]

@al-Hasani

You're thought are well-connected and straightforward.

Sometimes too straight forward
Wb,al-Hasani.

 

[Desert Fox]

FSA launched an indiscriminate attack on the town of Hatla in dier Al Zur. The town is populated by about 300 families making up approximately 2000 residents. The army does not operate in the town as it was protected by the local population.

FSA terrorists, Jubhat al nusrah and it's alqaeda affiliates have called out for an open secterian war in which all Shias are targetted, regardless of who they are or what they are. Terrorists have also killed the wife of a Shia scholar and his two sons, kidnapped his 15 year old daughter.

Another Shia scholar was also massacred along with his family, while most of the families have either been killed or fled the town. Entire families have been slaughtered as the mosques and houses are burnt down and destroyed.


Rough Translation "Allah Akbar, we have taken over the town Hatla, all the houses of the rawafidh, the Shia, the Christians(!!!is he on crack???) are burning, the Shia, rawafidh, murtad, here are the mujahideen celebrating, entering the houses of the rawafidh. This is for the Shia dogs, this area is only for Sunnis.."
[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbxYQq80P0[/video]

Now, according to certain members from a certain region belonging to a certain ideology which originates from a certain country, these guys in this video are doing a great service to Islam by "burning Shia's", because after all, Shia's are "Kafirs".


These people and their supporters believe that they have the right to declare other Muslims as "Kafirs" and thus kill them for belonging to a certain sect or for holding views that differ from their own.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

You're thought are well-connected and straightforward.

Great to have a fellow clever Saudi and Arab forum member. Keep it going and avoid the provocations from the well-known gang as I sometimes was unable to when they bragged and rejoiced for killing Arabs and Muslims in Syria. Remember that they are just a tiny minority and always will be.

Sometimes too straight forward
Wb,al-Hasani.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jMOK87N7A

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Now, according to certain members from a certain region belonging to a certain ideology which originates from a certain country, these guys in this video are doing a great service to Islam by "burning Shia's", because after all, Shia's are "Kafirs".


These people and their supporters believe that they have the right to declare other Muslims as "Kafirs" and thus kill them for belonging to a certain sect or for holding views that differ from their own.

Long story short, both are wrong, and if the fight continues then I can assure you thing will ge off the bind.

It's fault to assume that one group is David, while the other is Goliath

Here you go, Peace loving Shias love the Sunnis

LOL
Shia Scholars entice peopel to Kill Sunnis - YouTube
When Imam Mehdi will appear he will kill the sunnis before the infidels - YouTube
Syria Freedom Fighters Catch Hezbollah Sniper "Sent By Nasrallah to Kill Sunnis" 8-13-12 - YouTube
Shia leaders in Iraq enticing shia to kill sunnis - YouTube
Syria 45 Killed in Secterian Cleansing of Sunnis by Alawite Militia 12-March-12 - YouTube

It isn't the only countries some people are so obsessed with, but we won't allow them to kill people's children.

 

[Alshawi1234]

Cherry picking unknown or unrecognized scholars and saying "Shia". I challenge you to bring me ONE marji3 (the only Religous rank in Shia which could issue a fatwa) that calls to kill Sunnis.

It was well known during the beginingof the "revolution" for the terrorists to kill Shias and allawites, and record them only to say that Assad's forces are commiting massacres. The first massacre was exposed and all the victims were later identified as non-sunnis. Massacres are crimes that should be condemned by all groups, I myself condemn any crime whether it is by the FSA or the SAA, but your lot here refuse to condemn, and in fact try to justify the crime.

I could get you tens of videos in which your lot are commiting mass killings against Shias, Christians, ayzidis, and even Sunnis whom they see as "murtad"

The Saudis must be the most pathetic members here, with minor exceptions, all crazy terrorist supporting freaks who take pride in such actions and also wish for it to happen elsewhere. Constantly trying to inflame secterianism. Can't you see why so many people hate Saudi Arabia, the dirtiest people one the ourst land, except whom God has saved.

I guess the Quran couldn't be wrong.


Quran 9:97 The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Apostle: But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.

 

[Mercenary]

I wonder which side does Israel want to win?

 

[Alshawi1234]

I wonder which side does Israel want to win?

None, but if they have to choose, it's the FSA. They want to break the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah link. But most of them prefer to prolong the fighting so they get rid of both sides.

 

[Mercenary]

None, but if they have to choose, it's the FSA. They want to break the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah link. But most of them prefer to prolong the fighting so they get rid of both sides.

Iran-Syria-Hezbollah is no threat to Israel.

The real danger comes from these Wahabbis, Al Qaeda animals who are quite willing to kill anyone who is not a Sunni Extremist Muslim and you can forget about Jews.

Having a Sunni extremist government Syria would compel Israel to un-ending wars in the Golan.

Atleast with Hezbollah, you have their Iranian masters pulling their strings and Iranians care much more of preserving their country and staying in power and rather than getting entangled with powerful countries like Israel.

Since 2006, Hezbollah has not staged anything as stupid as sending its men to capture Israeli soldiers.