From where did pakistani christians came and why they clean streets and tiolets in pak?

[django]

All indians were dravadians before aryan invasion brahui ppl of balochistan are alao dravadians

Zero evidence for your supposition!

Someone should give this clown a stand up comedy show @django WTH is this enemy of sanity is talking about?...IVC as the name implies is along the river Indus (Sindh) in Pakistan and none of the Gangadeshis can come even close to it. He should go and take a dip in the filthy Ganga but he should not even utter the name of Indus from his mouth.

Kapil Sharma needs to watch out for this one lol

 

[untitled]

Do you have any clue why IVC is named IVC?

Civilization was IntraVenously fed to the region by the IVC

 

[Zibago]

Hello,
I wanted to know about the pakistani christians , im curious .
From did they came ? And why they do the work of cleaning tiolets or streets , dont they get any other job or they r not that educated? Or feel fear to be on high pozitions?

And why is their skin tone different than us ? Whats their race ?

They were mainly Punjabi low caste hindus who converted to Christianity during Raj era to escape discrimination sadly they still are stuck with the profession of their ancestors

 

[U-571]

That is such a perversion of Islamic denial thinking. Buddism was wiped out from South and Central Asia by Islam. That is a fact.

Read and learn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Buddhism_in_India

muslims didnt play any role in decline of buddhism, buddhism had already almost vanished from the present day modern india and only survived in modern day pakistan and afghanistan with limited numbers

hindus were the prime reason for buddism decline. people converted from hinduism to escape the social injustice, the hindus than started thinking of a novel idea to include all good buddist teachings into their own religion, and then trying to reconvert the buddhists, only god knows how with hindu schemes, Buddhism once becoming the major religion of india was almost wiped out entirely

 

[AshishDelhi]

This is a pretty close analysis. However, Anglo-Indians are essentially in two segments; the descendants of marriages between the British, the French, the Dutch and other Europeans; the descendants and subjects of the Portuguese from Goa and Mangalore, loosely called Anglo-Indians, who really are not AI.

Category 2 above would be more accurately local Dalits and Dalits who came across as servants of the British and stayed on, the latter being a fraction of the former. Perhaps Category 3 parses as local Dalits.

Off-topic: some mention of the origins of the Muslim population of the sub-continent came up. This is such a vast subject that it is surprising to see it mentioned in off-hand fashion in a couple of posts, but perhaps that is as much as might be expected considering that it is actually off-topic here. Large parts of the western coast and most of current Bangladesh* were descendants of immigrant Muslims, or were converted by sufi holy men. In north India, there were sections of the higher castes, sometimes whole segments, who converted to Islam in order to stay relevant in administration and the upper reaches of society to which they belonged until the Delhi Sultanate. These constituted Rajputs, Jats, and might have also included baniyas of various sets. There were also large numbers converted by sufi holy men. And the third group consisted of Dalits seeking a way out of the deadweight of social sanction. Finally, there were higher caste Hindus - Brahmins, typically - who converted out of conviction, a process that still continues in spite of all denial, or on having lost their caste purity due to some violation of the laws that govern such things. I wouldn't like to comment on some of the things written about the differences from this above that members have noted about the population around the Indus.
* About Bangladesh, Richard M. Eaton has provided a fascinating analysis. It is up to the reader what he makes of that model.

Madrasi and marasi have different meanings.
Do include your view point on origin of Sikhism vis a vis forced conversion by Islamist rulers. Is there any other religion which is primary based on stopping atrocities of any other religion? Pls do write.

On topic, these christians ruled subcontinent for 300 years.

 

[Musafir117]

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lol
I know but umm I was in hurry so couldn't explained well, we have casts in subcontinent don't want to or hardly chose other professions what they are doing for years and years. There is no one stopping or have restrictions in Pakistan if someone want to study and get good job but few casts they don't want it so they are doing what they doing from years.

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

Hello,
I wanted to know about the pakistani christians , im curious .
From did they came ? And why they do the work of cleaning tiolets or streets , dont they get any other job or they r not that educated? Or feel fear to be on high pozitions?

And why is their skin tone different than us ? Whats their race ?

They are dallit Hindus and converted by British missionaries and they are doing these jobs since centuries because they are consider un-pure by Hindus high casts and they have only these jobs to do but even after conversion their status doesn't change and it is a sad reality.
I would like to add that those who converted (Dalits) Islam they got honor and living with Muslims peacefully with dignity and they are not doing these jobs, A question why Dalit Christians do these jobs still in Pakistan Answer first they are doing since centuries secondly poverty, lack of education and Govts fix Qoata for these people to ensure their right of Govt job.

 

[Shah Khalid]

Hello,
I wanted to know about the pakistani christians , im curious .
From did they came ? And why they do the work of cleaning tiolets or streets , dont they get any other job or they r not that educated? Or feel fear to be on high pozitions?

And why is their skin tone different than us ? Whats their race ?

They Were Originally Poor Lower Caste Hindus(Some Of Them May Probably Have Been Muslims) Whose Poverty Was Taken Advantage Of By British Missionaries With Full Backing Of The Colonial Authorities At The Time.

Them Doing Sanitary Jobs Is Actually The Result Of Low Education and Poverty And Not The Result Of Any Direct Discrimination.And It Is Wrong To Say They Only Do The Demeaning Sanitary Jobs.Many Have Experienced Social Upward Mobility.They Have Businesses And Join Civil Service And Armed Forces(Cecil Chaudhry,S.K Tressler,Sampson Simon Sharaf)

 

[my2cents]

islam was never forced on anyone, yes the land were forced into muslim dominion, but musli rulers couldnt care less about spreading islam, they occupied lands for economic reasons

malaysian and indonesian muslims had no islamic rule so there couldnt be any question of forced conversions

the conversions in indian subcontinent was very low compared to mass conversions of indonesia and malaysia

and the theory that dalits converted to islam to escape the lower caste of hindu religion then you assume the majority of hindu caste was upper caste, or the ruling caste/brahmin which is un natural, the lower caste or the subjects always outnumber the rulers by far, so why is that only a fraction of hindus mostly limited to pakistan in the west became muslims while smal pockets of muslims in the north and south?

reasoning is quite clear that nobody was forced to become muslim

North front area what constitutes present day Pakistan, was the passage of these invaders was the first to succumb to these atrocities and were subsequently converted to Islam some through coercion and others through the sword.

There are many instances of forced conversions in Indian history which you are not aware.

I believe it was the ninth guru Teg Bahadur who was executed in Delhi for not converting to Islam and for speaking against the forced conversion of Hindus and other non-Muslims. His followers were burnt alive in front of him for not converting. Imagine the agony he had to suffer to witness this cruelty. Here is the case of a Sikh guru and his followers giving up their lives for injustice caused to some other religious followers in this case the Kashmiri pundits and Hindus.

My understanding is that Islam spread very violently in the northern India. In the case of south it was some what peaceful conversion because of sufi saints. But the destruction of temples and places of worship was constant through out the country. I have witnessed many ancient temples that were destroyed by these savage rulers and these ruins are still there for you to witness first hand.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Hindus have quite a history of disliking and not tolerating other religions for example buddhism during its expansion under ashoka had spread nearly all across india than hindus came up with a plan to "reconvert" all buddhists back to hinduism

Yes and muslims, christians and buddhists (Burma & Lanka) are known for liking other religions.
By declaring Buddhism as state religion King Asoka put an end to the income of temples and priests. So given next opportunity, during the Gupta Period, they got back their privileges. Now the very same people consider Buddha as Vishnu Avatar. There is nothing like conversion in Hinduism. You just follow one or more of a variety of religious practices for your spiritual goal or simply be an atheist (Aneeshwar vaadi) and follow your own path.

Civilization was IntraVenously fed to the region by the IVC

And all the while I was under impression that the civilization came "In Dis" region with swords riding horses sometimes in 7th century. Prior to that all were zahils.

 

[U-571]

North front area what constitutes present day Pakistan, was the passage of these invaders was the first to succumb to these atrocities and were subsequently converted to Islam some through coercion and others through the sword.

There are many instances of forced conversions in Indian history which you are not aware.

I believe it was the ninth guru Teg Bahadur who was executed in Delhi for not converting to Islam and for speaking against the forced conversion of Hindus and other non-Muslims. His followers were burnt alive in front of him for not converting. Imagine the agony he had to suffer to witness this cruelty. Here is the case of a Sikh guru and his followers giving up their lives for injustice caused to some other religious followers in this case the Kashmiri pundits and Hindus.

My understanding is that Islam spread very violently in the northern India. In the case of south it was some what peaceful conversion because of sufi saints. But the destruction of temples and places of worship was constant through out the country. I have witnessed many ancient temples that were destroyed by these savage rulers and these ruins are still there for you to witness first hand.

you quote one incidence also dating back to one of the last mughal emperors torturing a sikh guru for not converting to islam fully knowing that sikh religion itself owes its evolution and formation to the influence and teachings of islam, and not to mention guru nanak is not only a revered saint for sikhs but muslims as well, and also fully knowing that baba farid shakar ganj or dada ganj baksh is a muslim saint also revered by sikhs?, but you have not quoted me any incidence of mass conversions towards islam

especially the time period of muslim conquest of india began 600 years before the event you quoted

you do realize that the story of forced conversion for that sikh guru maybe a bit exageration, given there are also many other versions of the story available as well which lead to more political based issues rather than religious forced conversion issues

just few hours ago, a video goes viral of a BJP parliamentarian slapping a hindu girl for drinking coffee i think with a muslim boy?

the genocide of gujrati mulims and the burning of babri mosque and the burning of samjhota express by a radical indian army officer is not a very old story, and happens in modern secular supposedly religiously tolerant india

so do you think that there were not any 'forced muslim' conversions into hindu religion, and there were not any incidences where hindus burned muslims alive for their religion?

i highly doubt that dear

 

[Well.wisher]

Not a proper thread moderators should review and act to clean up the thread kindly for hurting sentiments of Pakistan's minority group

I meant no insult to our respectable christian minority .
Reason i asked is because i want to see them at better position and a good state .

Thanks all for your input .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Madrasi and marasi have different meanings.
Do include your view point on origin of Sikhism vis a vis forced conversion by Islamist rulers. Is there any other religion which is primary based on stopping atrocities of any other religion? Pls do write.

On topic, these christians ruled subcontinent for 300 years.

300 years? What did they do from 1647 to 1757 (Plassey and administrative rights in Bengal)?

Actually, about Sikhism, I have rather different views. It was not so much based on 'stopping atrocities of another religion' as on a synthesis of some elements of Islam and Hindu bhakti thinking.

 

[NomanAli89]

Hello,
I wanted to know about the pakistani christians , im curious .
From did they came ? And why they do the work of cleaning tiolets or streets , dont they get any other job or they r not that educated? Or feel fear to be on high pozitions?

And why is their skin tone different than us ? Whats their race ?

It seems you are at least few decades behind your general knowledge our streets cleaning jobs have long been taken over by migrated Afghanis(Muslims) there are still few christian cleaners left but that is not because of their religion, Infact even the poorest christians are so fearless in our society that they can lynch innocent muslims at their will whenever they want .....

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

North front area what constitutes present day Pakistan, was the passage of these invaders was the first to succumb to these atrocities and were subsequently converted to Islam some through coercion and others through the sword.

There are many instances of forced conversions in Indian history which you are not aware.

I believe it was the ninth guru Teg Bahadur who was executed in Delhi for not converting to Islam and for speaking against the forced conversion of Hindus and other non-Muslims. His followers were burnt alive in front of him for not converting. Imagine the agony he had to suffer to witness this cruelty. Here is the case of a Sikh guru and his followers giving up their lives for injustice caused to some other religious followers in this case the Kashmiri pundits and Hindus.

My understanding is that Islam spread very violently in the northern India. In the case of south it was some what peaceful conversion because of sufi saints. But the destruction of temples and places of worship was constant through out the country. I have witnessed many ancient temples that were destroyed by these savage rulers and these ruins are still there for you to witness first hand.

There are so much myths about temple destruction . Hindu nationalists needed this propaganda to propagate Hindu nationalism

watch this video and you will understand it if you possess some logic and reasoning