From where did pakistani christians came and why they clean streets and tiolets in pak?

[django]

They are the most ancient and indigenous people of Punjab.......

Disagree with you Babban, these folks are from the forests of the South and some say related to Australian aboriginals, not from the same stock as IVC folk who make up the bulk of Punjabi populations.Kudos Babban

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Not a proper thread moderators should review and act to clean up the thread kindly for hurting sentiments of Pakistan's minority group

 

[asif1986]

Most are native to pakistan.Only goan christians in karachi came from india and they are few in number.During colonial times in punjab many untochable castes like chuhras got converted to christianty and they were mainly into professions shunned by mainstream society like scavengers and cleaners.

 

[Jugger]

Well then i can say most of the proud muslims of indian subcontinent today should realize their forefathers were all hindus , most of them converted to islam under the mughal rule just to escape persecution by those evil rulers , you should know your own history before talking about others.

I will disagree with this, majority convert because they find meaning and value in the new religion.
Christianity has spread the most by conversion because of the relentless efforts of their missionaries.

 

[war&peace]

Listen you fool, the centre of power during Muslim rule over so-called India was UP and Delhi both majority Hindu areas, if the Muslims wanted too they would have converted everyone but their is no compulsion in Islamic conversion, it STRICLTY has to be a personal choice, if the scenario you are trying to portray was true, then today you may not have been following Polytheism LOL.....BTW it was Naqashbandi saints who converted tribal leaders in mainly the Indus region, then subsequently the rest if the tribe followed in the way of the respected elder, we were prone to Monotheism as we were already following a crude form of Montheism.

Great answer!!!!

 

[Solomon2]

blatant lie.... If they were forced then why did they not become hindus or christians after the British took over?

Is that the proper thing for Pakistanis who think their ancestors were forced to convert should do, convert to Hinduism or Christianity?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Stop trying to obfuscate and conflate rubbish. I know very well there are all sort of Christians in the world from blonde Norsk, to Black Jamaicans to Filipinos. The ones we get in Pakistan are either -

1. Anglo-Indians
2. Indian migrants of Dalit orgins who came with the British
3. Others.

The group we are trying to talk about as mentioned by OP are the [2] or the Christians who are clearly by their features from India. They look like your typical Odishans or tribals.

This is a pretty close analysis. However, Anglo-Indians are essentially in two segments; the descendants of marriages between the British, the French, the Dutch and other Europeans; the descendants and subjects of the Portuguese from Goa and Mangalore, loosely called Anglo-Indians, who really are not AI.

Category 2 above would be more accurately local Dalits and Dalits who came across as servants of the British and stayed on, the latter being a fraction of the former. Perhaps Category 3 parses as local Dalits.

Off-topic: some mention of the origins of the Muslim population of the sub-continent came up. This is such a vast subject that it is surprising to see it mentioned in off-hand fashion in a couple of posts, but perhaps that is as much as might be expected considering that it is actually off-topic here. Large parts of the western coast and most of current Bangladesh* were descendants of immigrant Muslims, or were converted by sufi holy men. In north India, there were sections of the higher castes, sometimes whole segments, who converted to Islam in order to stay relevant in administration and the upper reaches of society to which they belonged until the Delhi Sultanate. These constituted Rajputs, Jats, and might have also included baniyas of various sets. There were also large numbers converted by sufi holy men. And the third group consisted of Dalits seeking a way out of the deadweight of social sanction. Finally, there were higher caste Hindus - Brahmins, typically - who converted out of conviction, a process that still continues in spite of all denial, or on having lost their caste purity due to some violation of the laws that govern such things. I wouldn't like to comment on some of the things written about the differences from this above that members have noted about the population around the Indus.
* About Bangladesh, Richard M. Eaton has provided a fascinating analysis. It is up to the reader what he makes of that model.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Is that the proper thing for Pakistanis who think their ancestors were forced to convert should do, convert to Hinduism or Christianity?

Who told you this Mr zionist? Can you travel back in past to witness how every single conversion took place centuries ago ?

 

[Solomon2]

Who told you this.....? Can you travel back in past to witness how every single conversion took place centuries ago ?

Pretty much the questions I was going to ask @U-571.

 

[war&peace]

Is that the proper thing for Pakistanis who think their ancestors were forced to convert should do, convert to Hinduism or Christianity?

Jews should also revert to Islam. Your religion has expired after the arrival of Islam.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

blatant lie.... If Renothey were forced then why did they not become hindus or christians after the British took over? What kind of idiots you people are?

1. Apostasy in Islam attracts death penalty. So once one became a muslim there was no return ticket.
2. Only during the British Rule the Hindus formed Arya Samaj and introduced a system of reconverting muslims back to hindu fold. But by that time many generations had passed and their socialization was more among muslims and negligible with hindus thereby restraining them from reconversion.

 

[war&peace]

1. Apostasy in Islam attracts death penalty. So once one became a muslim there was no return ticket.
2. Only during the British Rule the Hindus formed Arya Samaj and introduced a system of reconverting muslims back to hindu fold. But by that time many generations had passed and their socialization was more among muslims and negligible with hindus thereby restraining them from reconversion.

Stop lying and listen to this Hindu pandit Sir @django please listen to this hindu pundit

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Pretty much the questions I was going to ask @U-571.

no one can give answer of this question because different people may convert into different beliefs for various reason and there is no way to determine that who converted for spiritual reason and who converted for any material incentive especially when we talk about past conversions

Christian missionaries portrayed Christianity as progressive religion. People from chura castes were treated badly and were considered inferior in Hinduism and they thought that changing religion into sikhism or Christinity will perhaps change their condition but sadly this did not happen and they are still having lower social status

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Stop lying and listen to this Hindu pandit Sir @django please listen to this hindu pundit

In a conference of Muslims, he is talking the good things about Prophet Mohammad. Nothing wrong in it. Its a very much a Hindu thing to study, discuss and debate spiritualism from all over the world.

All that he is talking about was part of my hindi textbook in primary school.

 

[U-571]

Disagree with you Babban, these folks are from the forests of the South and some say related to Australian aboriginals, not from the same stock as IVC folk who make up the bulk of Punjabi populations.Kudos Babban

Descendents of ivs are dravadians not punjabis meaning south indians