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From Harappa to Pakistan - 4,000 Year Journey

If we were interested in space travel and we tried I'm sure we could. Pakistan is not interested in space at the moment. So it's a non-starter.

oh...but according to the IQ research you yourself quoted your national IQ is in the 80s and you're too dumb for space travel....pot calling kettle black then?

SomeOne get me a time machine , I want to go back . M8henjo daro, harrapaa, taxila. . What a simple tension free life .

don't be so sure. Human sacrifice might have been used to spread the civilization if you ask me.
 
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oh...but according to the IQ research you yourself quoted your national IQ is in the 80s and you're too dumb for space travel....pot calling kettle black then?



don't be so sure. Human sacrifice might have been used to spread the civilization if you ask me.



Pakistan's average racial IQ is 84 wheras that for india is 82. It explains why india doesn't invent or create anything indigenously without Western or Russian assistance wheras China does. It also explains why india buys all it's advanced high tech weapons systems from the West and Russia and doesn't produce it itself.
 
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Bit by the same logic you can't claim that "99.99999% of Pakistanis have NO racial or DNA link to Harappans". An extremey silly claim to make without any evidence.

Well if all races, ethnicities and nationalities have an equal claim on Harappans ancestry by the same logic, then what does that do to your claim?
Answer: Dilutes it. Your claim is no better than mine without the DNA evidence. Indians are inheritors of the Harappans too. since you cant disprove it! lol




When the time is right, SUPARCO will make their presence felt just like we did with our nuclear weapons technology :azn:

PS You are talking as if indians are the inventors, creators, pioneers and indigenous producers of Space travel and technology :lol: indians are not. That accolade goes to the West, Russia and China, not the indian race :azn:

YAWN!
Wake me up when your sob story comes alive!

And for the highlighted part, at least Indians gave the world the number and usage of ZERO, without which no science, Math or physics would be achievable, let alone any inventions!

So far Pakistan's only contribution to the world is an excessive amount of whining, failing at rewriting history (thank allah!), making tall claims of achievement with little to show and self combusting humans.
Take your pick and shout it out from the rooftops! You've earned it!
 
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Well if all races, ethnicities and nationalities have an equal claim on Harappans ancestry by the same logic, then what does that do to your claim?
Answer: Dilutes it. Your claim is no better than mine without the DNA evidence. Indians are inheritors of the Harappans too. since you cant disprove it! lol






YAWN!
Wake me up when your sob story comes alive!

And for the highlighted part, at least Indians gave the world the number and usage of ZERO, without which no science, Math or physics would be achievable, let alone any inventions!

So far Pakistan's only contribution to the world is an excessive amount of whining, failing at rewriting history (thank allah!), making tall claims of achievement with little to show and self combusting humans.
Take your pick and shout it out from the rooftops! You've earned it!



Will if you can't ascertain the DNA of the Harappans and their civilisation is located in Pakistan then how can indians lay claim to them? Will you now lay claim to the Ancient Egyptians or Mesopotamians located in Iraq?

So india is a scientific powerhouse because they invented "0"? Not surprised there. It's the rating indians have been giving to eachother for 1000s of years in terms of their physical appearance.......lol......:lol:

Also before you criticize Pakistan remeber that it is YOUR race and nation that has between 30-40% of the ENTIRE earth's MOST severely malnourished and extreme poor not us:

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-has-40-of-worlds-malnourished-Expert/articleshow/20840897.cms

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/14/poverty-india-africa-oxford

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

So much so for indian achievements above......:lol:
 
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Pakistan's average racial IQ is 84 wheras that for india is 82. It explains why india doesn't invent or create anything indigenously without Western or Russian assistance wheras China does. It also explains why india buys all it's advanced high tech weapons systems from the West and Russia and doesn't produce it itself.

really? :lol::lol::D


and how come that 2 point lead isn't helping you much :lol:
 
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really? :lol::lol::D


and how come that 2 point lead isn't helping you much :lol:



Our time will come. Even without full effort we have achieved so much in 70 years whilst all the world's major powers have been against us (except China). CPEC is an expression of this. There's more to come.
 
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Our time will come. Even without full effort we have achieved so much in 70 years whilst all the world's major powers have been against us (except China). CPEC is an expression of this. There's more to come.

On that I can agree. I can assure you there's a lot more to come because of CPEC :lol:
 
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Will if you can't ascertain the DNA of the Harappans and their civilisation is located in Pakistan then how can indians lay claim to them? Will you now lay claim to the Ancient Egyptians or Mesopotamians located in Iraq?

So?! Constantinople is in Turkey but was part of the Roman/Byzantine empire! Does it now make it modern day Turkish just coz they live on those lands?!
GTFO!
You have no connection to the Harrapans genetically, PERIOD! You have no proof and cant produce any proof either.
So just let it go and credit it to the land of Pakistan, NOT the people!

So india is a scientific powerhouse because they invented "0"? Not surprised there. It's the rating indians have been giving to eachother for 1000s of years in terms of their physical appearance.......lol......:lol:

Also before you criticize Pakistan remeber that it is YOUR race and nation that has between 30-40% of the ENTIRE earth's MOST severely malnourished and extreme poor not us:

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-has-40-of-worlds-malnourished-Expert/articleshow/20840897.cms

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/14/poverty-india-africa-oxford

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

So much so for indian achievements above......:lol:

Above is a prime example of the greatest Pakistani achievement in 70 years....incessant whining! or as you people call it "Randi Rona" LOL!

But you bring up an interesting point: What is Pakistan's contribution to science and technology?!
LOL
 
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So?! Constantinople is in Turkey but was part of the Roman/Byzantine empire! Does it now make it modern day Turkish just coz they live on those lands?!
GTFO!
You have no connection to the Harrapans genetically, PERIOD! You have no proof and cant produce any proof either.
So just let it go and credit it to the land of Pakistan, NOT the people!



Above is a prime example of the greatest Pakistani achievement in 70 years....incessant whining! or as you people call it "Randi Rona" LOL!

But you bring up an interesting point: What is Pakistan's contribution to science and technology?!
LOL



You're not making any sense. You cannot prove neither can you disprove that Harappans have a DNA connections to modern day Pakistanis. So why do you insist so much that Pakistanis DO NOT have a connection to the Harappans without any credible eveidence?

The Harappan civilsation was located in what is now modern day Pakistan. It did not consist of ALL the other parts of india which were seperate states and not a part of a unified india as it is now (post 1947). So indians can't make a claim to it.

The Turkish conquest of Constaninople was a series of conquests of that region by many different European powers that changed hands many time. It's just that the Turks have held it the longest thats all. There is no similarity between them and Pakistan/Harappa. For the most part, Turks, Greeks, Italians and other Mediterranean people have FAR more in common with one anither than Pakistanis do with indians.


PS With regards to scientific achievements, it's pathetic that 1.3 billion indians have to rely on the white nations (who are lesser in number than indians) for their advanced sciences, expertise and technologies. Explain this pathetic situation and then I will explain the scientific achievements of Pakistan.

On that I can agree. I can assure you there's a lot more to come because of CPEC :lol:



Certainly right there. Just like a nuclear weapons program............:azn:
 
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Harappans were Muslims.
Well, they definetly were NOT Ganga-deshis like you.

That makes you a mere renter NOT the owner.
Yeh, in that sense it places us in same category as Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqi's etc - as "renters".

Which leaves you Gangas as "nobodies".

You have no connection to the Harrapans genetically, PERIOD!
Whether we have or not but the fact is it is our land that gives us some connect. Now what I want to know is what business is it of yours. Why are you sniffing like dogs in our yard. Go scratch your grubby hands on your own countries heritage.
 
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Yeh, in that sense it places us in same category as Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqi's etc - as "renters".

Which leaves you Gangas as "nobodies".

I have no problem with that whatsoever. You can club yourself with anyone that your imagination allows you to, as long as you credit Harappan achievement as those of the history of the land and NOT the present day people of Pakistan.
(though I would doubt the Egyptians, Syrians or Iraqi's would like to club themselves with your kind....lol..In fact pretty certain they would be highly offended)

Let me reiterate, present day Pakistanis have NOTHING to claim as far as achievement of Harappa or IVC is concerned. They are neither genetic, NOR cultural inheritors of those civilizations, except for happening to live in the same areas, much like the Turks do in present day Constantinople.


Whether we have or not but the fact is it is our land that gives us some connect. Now what I want to know is what business is it of yours. Why are you sniffing like dogs in our yard. Go scratch your grubby hands on your own countries heritage.

Does it?
Funny, because it was your comment about (and I'm paraphrasing) "who's your daddy" that started this entire chain of responses.
So wanted to specifically point out that your daddy(s) could be a number of those from Turkey, Persia, Afghan, Indian, Mongols, Greeks etc....THOSE ARE PROVEN! But certainly NOT Harappans, which even with your mental gymnastics, you wouldn't be able to draw lineage from!

So stick to proven history and don't try to peddle some false notions of Pakistanis being some Pedigree when we all know the human cocktails you are.
 
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Let me reiterate, present day Pakistanis have NOTHING to claim as far as achievement of Harappa or IVC is concerned. They are neither genetic, NOR cultural inheritors of those civilizations, except for happening to live in the same areas, much like the Turks do in present day Constantinople.

Wait what? Where's your evidence for this? As for the Harappa DNA business, DNA doesn't radically change in a few thousand years, unless there was complete population displacement. No such thing happened in Pakistan nor are there any records for it. Present day Pakistanis share 50-60% of their genes with the rest of India. I put up generic study on the other thread. For your claim to be true, Pakistanis would at least have to be over 60% different from other Indians.
 
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Wait what? Where's your evidence for this? As for the Harappa DNA business, DNA doesn't radically change in a few thousand years, unless there was complete population displacement. No such thing happened in Pakistan nor are there any records for it. Present day Pakistanis share 50-60% of their genes with the rest of India. I put up generic study on the other thread. For your claim to be true, Pakistanis would at least have to be over 60% different from other Indians.

There's no need for studies. Saaf shakal se pata lag ta he ke Indians humaray jaisay lag te he ne.
 
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You're not making any sense. You cannot prove neither can you disprove that Harappans have a DNA connections to modern day Pakistanis. So why do you insist so much that Pakistanis DO NOT have a connection to the Harappans without any credible eveidence?

Because the history is that of the land, NOT your people, and certainly NOT that of present day Pakistanis.
So when you try to peddle your lies and create some revisionist history to massage your low self esteem and lack of achievements, it is our responsibility to correct such propaganda.
And mind you, this is not restricted to you. There are many Indians who are dumb enough to say stupid things like Taj Mahal was a temple and other unbelievable nonsense. So they are equal jokers who are laughed at and become an embarrassment to their people. I wouldn't shy away from calling them out either.
It seems you want to be labelled the Pakistani equivalent of those Indian idiots is it?

The Harappan civilsation was located in what is now modern day Pakistan. It did not consist of ALL the other parts of india which were seperate states and not a part of a unified india as it is now (post 1947). So indians can't make a claim to it.

Many of the IVC sites are located in present day India.
Rakhigharee being one of many, so we do have a vested interest in the right version of history.
So if you want to limit it to the history of land and a shared history of the subcontinent, be my guest. I support this.
Any monopoly and Delete repeated word on history will be met with similar responses.

The Turkish conquest of Constaninople was a series of conquests of that region by many different European powers that changed hands many time. It's just that the Turks have held it the longest thats all. There is no similarity between them and Pakistan/Harappa. For the most part, Turks, Greeks, Italians and other Mediterranean people have FAR more in common with one anither than Pakistanis do with indians.
You've got to be kidding me! After acting like you're some expert on history, you should know this much that Pakistan was the first land to fall in any invasion in the subcontinent. Literally everyone from Greeks, to Mongols to Indians (of present day India) and Turks had at some point conquered and pillaged those lands.
So the analogy is perfectly apt. The audience here is wrong since you don't know the history of your own lands.


PS With regards to scientific achievements, it's pathetic that 1.3 billion indians have to rely on the white nations (who are lesser in number than indians) for their advanced sciences, expertise and technologies. Explain this pathetic situation and then I will explain the scientific achievements of Pakistan.

But I thought we were poor,low IQ, malnutritioned, open defecating ugly people. No one expects anything from us!

BUT on your own admission Pakistanis are better in every aspect than India. So what's your excuse?!
That you're not interested in science and techology? Inbreeding perhaps? lol
Give me break fella. I can sense you have no responses, which is why the classic deflection tactics. You're too predictable!





Certainly right there. Just like a nuclear weapons program............:azn:[/QUOTE]

Wait what? Where's your evidence for this? As for the Harappa DNA business, DNA doesn't radically change in a few thousand years, unless there was complete population displacement. No such thing happened in Pakistan nor are there any records for it. Present day Pakistanis share 50-60% of their genes with the rest of India. I put up generic study on the other thread. For your claim to be true, Pakistanis would at least have to be over 60% different from other Indians.

My claim is that in order for one to draw ancestry from the Harrapans, one would require DNA samples to corroborate.
Since no such evidence or sample exists, one cannot make a claim of direct ancestry.
Besides, we have no idea what happened to the IVC and its people.
Did they migrate, did they perish, did they get mixed into a migrating tribe? Again, all theories!
So how are people so confiedent of drawing ancestral links which can be traced, through either:
1. DNA
2. Culture
3. Language
4. Religion and its effects on Culture
5. Written Script.

Since we know NONE of the above about the Harappans or an equivalent trace of the same in present day Pakistanis, where is even the question of genetic links?

My objection is to monopolizing history to one people or region. I'm simply trying to dispel such notions that seem to be rampant on PDF these days.

Wait what? Where's your evidence for this? As for the Harappa DNA business, DNA doesn't radically change in a few thousand years, unless there was complete population displacement. No such thing happened in Pakistan nor are there any records for it. Present day Pakistanis share 50-60% of their genes with the rest of India. I put up generic study on the other thread. For your claim to be true, Pakistanis would at least have to be over 60% different from other Indians.

So what's your theory on what happened to the people of the IVC?
 
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