Pakistan as a solution to the Chinese demographic problem

[Sayfullah]

wow all these superpowers talk yet you can't do a damn thing about a tiny Israel, how come? Are jews your best buddies now or is Israel some kind of unmatched hyperpower? lol

76 years and counting.

until the day you can actually free the Palestinians, your tough talk on your East Turkistan just sounds like a butt hurt rant to me, lil bro.

I guess you haven’t read history. 76 years is nothing. Muslims conquered Palestine twice from super powers of the time. We are already promised victory in the war with Israel. We already put their dad in place.
Muslims have enough power to free all their territories simultaneously and expand the religion. China in its entire history has stayed in the same place. Muslims have spread through the world and at a time conquered almost half of Europe. Muslims even helped many Chinese convert to Islam that’s why there’s Hui Muslims. Don’t underestimate Muslims.

Yeah, as an individual it makes sense.

But at a national level there's really nothing anyone can do, and for Pakistan it's like purposefully internationally isolating yourself and taking your own self off life support.

I agree. Things are done based on circumstances. It would not be wise for Pakistan as a state to openly make China an enemy. However, Pakistan can use any soft power it has to help Uyghurs. During Zia’s time Pakistan helped Uyghurs perform Hajj via Pakistan and helped them in many other aspects. But for Pakistani government to have any soft power it needs ti get rid of the shit show going on in Pakistan first. Otherwise it should be quiet and sit with a begging bowl.

Get out the business of China, I advise you doesnt care who you are and what religion you practice. Chinese matter is none of you foreigners business. Obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about.

East Turkistan is not China.

Ancient Turks never recognized you group of West Asian Muslims. Don't look for your father everywhere.

Genetic studies on Turkish people - Wikipedia

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Your neighbors Syria, Iran, and Greece all have a history of more than 6,000 years. Who do you want to deceive?

Muslims are one.
A non Muslims will not understand what I mean. Islamic history goes before the first human Adam A.S was created. What is Chinese history in comparison?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

I guess you haven’t read history. 76 years is nothing. Muslims conquered Palestine twice from super powers of the time. We are already promised victory in the war with Israel. We already put their dad in place.
Muslims have enough power to free all their territories simultaneously and expand the religion. China in its entire history has stayed in the same place. Muslims have spread through the world and at a time conquered almost half of Europe. Muslims even helped many Chinese convert to Islam that’s why there’s Hui Muslims. Don’t underestimate Muslims.

I guess you haven’t read history either, 1400 years is nothing, we were already building empires when you Muslims were small tribes in desert, you don't have any power to free any land under Israel, so far it keeps expanding while the Palestinian are helplessly suffering. When is the promised victory btw? Don't tell me it will take another 1400 years, conquering half Europe is not that hard, the Romans, Mongolians did it, so did Napoleon and Hitler. Not impressed. China can also help Muslim covert back to Atheism, starting with Huis and Uyghurs, it's not like you guys have patented love jihad. Don't underestimate the Chinese.

 

[beijingwalker]

East Turkistan is not China.

Now here comes someone who wants to split China, which country says so? you do know if it's just you say so it's worse than BS, don't you?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Did your kind not bring millions of black slaves from Africa?

Not to the US. It was about 400,000.

It was 12 million to South America and the Caribbean Islands...but nobody wants to highlight that fact since giving South America sh*t about and its repercussions it isn't on the agenda.

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[Hamartia Antidote]

I guess there's a reason why most people around the world choose to/give everything they can to migrate to Western countries when they can, instead of going to Russia, N.Korea, India, Pakistan, China, Iran etc.

1. Colonial links - if you're a Pakistani, you're more likely to know English than Russian.
2. Migrants go where the money is at.

@mike2000 is back LOL! So are you going to answer this...or just not going to go there...

 

[FuturePAF]

I understand, a HSR link to every provincial capital is felt as important for providing similar services to people, everywhere in the country.

Equally, If BRI is to take off, and link to the Middle East and Africa, the shortest and less politically entangled and most economical route is directly through Pakistan.

This route also mitigates some of the risk of disruption of supplies vis a vi the Malacca Dilemma.

$30 billion invested in a BOT model (in the case of Pakistan railways mainline 1, primarily as a freight line and mostly parallel, not replacing, the existing line would leave the existing track for commuter rail and another revenue stream to help make the investment sustainable). An additional $10 Billion would be a joint venture between the central Asian countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan. China portion of the railway would cost less then $10 Billion, but to complete the Pakistan-China line, Pakistan would be borrowing $15 billion specifically for this line and employing Chinese companies, especially because of their experience and expertise. It’s a win for Chinese business upfront and for China long term.

For China, this line could even form the basis for a line that continues onwards to Askai Chin and continues along the length of the border with India (with routes to go into parts of Nepal to generate economic activity and raise GDP and business opportunities in Tibet). This could be very useful for PLA logistics, especially in moving men and materiel to and from posts along the border.
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A route from Xigaze to Burang is something the Indians think China may one day build and are keeping an eye on.
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This route could be connected to Kashgar via the CPEC rail route by a spur that goes to Aksai Chin and eventually onwards to Burang

For military logistics it would be a valuable route but if the near by area had mineral resources, Increased access to mining sites in Tibet could make this route sustainable.
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A link to Pakistan could connect to a rail line parallel this highway. Getting resources and products between the two countries for the world market and employing more Pakistani inside Pakistan is the best win-win option for both nations.

 

[epebble]

a lot of the ones in America are members of Chinese churches

I think the confusion may stem from mainland vs. Taiwanese. Taiwanese are in many ways pre 1949 Chinese. To add to the complication, Pre 1949 Chinese and their offspring are culturally different from post 1949 Chinese and their offspring.

Uyghur many are practicing and very religious.
I am not surprised about this.
I am surprised you guys have the audacity to stand in someone else’s land and dare tell them if they can have prayer breaks or not. I’m surprised you guys are foolish enough to pick a fight with people known to destroy super powers and empires.
Tolerance? Be lucky you mushrik’s still have a head on your soldiers while you step on Muslim land with your arrogance. The little tolerance the Muslims of East Turkistan have for you guys will run out eventually.
East Turkistan is Uyghur Muslim land. You and your state shouldn’t test its luck. Muslims have a history of humiliating super powers be it Romans, Persians, Soviets or Americans.

Present concern of Pakistan is to keep the wolf from the door. Picking an argument with China about how it deals with its people is not going to be helpful to Pakistan.

 

[etylo]

I guess you haven’t read history. 76 years is nothing. Muslims conquered Palestine twice from super powers of the time. We are already promised victory in the war with Israel. We already put their dad in place.
Muslims have enough power to free all their territories simultaneously and expand the religion. China in its entire history has stayed in the same place. Muslims have spread through the world and at a time conquered almost half of Europe. Muslims even helped many Chinese convert to Islam that’s why there’s Hui Muslims. Don’t underestimate Muslims.


I agree. Things are done based on circumstances. It would not be wise for Pakistan as a state to openly make China an enemy. However, Pakistan can use any soft power it has to help Uyghurs. During Zia’s time Pakistan helped Uyghurs perform Hajj via Pakistan and helped them in many other aspects. But for Pakistani government to have any soft power it needs ti get rid of the shit show going on in Pakistan first. Otherwise it should be quiet and sit with a begging bowl.


East Turkistan is not China.


Muslims are one.
A non Muslims will not understand what I mean. Islamic history goes before the first human Adam A.S was created. What is Chinese history in comparison?

East Turkistan exists only in a few of you sick minded people who have nothing better to do in life. Xinjiang has been part of China since the Han dynasty, more than 2 thousands years ago, long before your country even came to exists in Asia.

 

[Sayfullah]

+ 5 credits for Chinese bot army.

East Turkistan will be free.

 

[nahtanbob]

No doubt there are, I just don't think they are in sufficiently large majority anywhere, - large enough to have a community church built.

Cupertino is a town with huge Chinese population

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Well, I fully support this move.. At least this is one of the only thing Pakistan can provide/help China with going forward. China should take Pakistan offer for help.

I doubt the chinese will have any interest here

 

[chinasun]

I guess you haven’t read history. 76 years is nothing. Muslims conquered Palestine twice from super powers of the time. We are already promised victory in the war with Israel. We already put their dad in place.
Muslims have enough power to free all their territories simultaneously and expand the religion. China in its entire history has stayed in the same place. Muslims have spread through the world and at a time conquered almost half of Europe. Muslims even helped many Chinese convert to Islam that’s why there’s Hui Muslims. Don’t underestimate Muslims.


I agree. Things are done based on circumstances. It would not be wise for Pakistan as a state to openly make China an enemy. However, Pakistan can use any soft power it has to help Uyghurs. During Zia’s time Pakistan helped Uyghurs perform Hajj via Pakistan and helped them in many other aspects. But for Pakistani government to have any soft power it needs ti get rid of the shit show going on in Pakistan first. Otherwise it should be quiet and sit with a begging bowl.


East Turkistan is not China.


Muslims are one.
A non Muslims will not understand what I mean. Islamic history goes before the first human Adam A.S was created. What is Chinese history in comparison?

It turned out to be a Canadian Jewish Pug! Pretending to be Muslim to please Jewish hosts. You don't care about Kashmir, you don't care about Indian Muslims in South Asia, you don't care about American soldiers killing 800,000 Muslim civilians. You are not Muslim, you only know how to cooperate with your Jewish masters and spread rumors about China.
Do you dare to expose the US military's harm to Muslim civilians, and you dare to criticize Sweden? Do you dare to admit the genocide of Aboriginal people in Canada? Dare to be anti-Semitic in Canada?Do you dare to come to China? You dare not do anything. You are a slave to low self-esteem. a dog.

 

[epebble]

Cupertino is a town with huge Chinese population

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These are mostly Chinese-Americans (multi-generational). Chinese immigrants came to San Francisco in 19th century. Culturally, they are very American (many or most in mixed marriages with Non-Chinese). Many speak a smattering of Chinese and enjoy San Francisco style Chinese food. That's about it. If they visit PRC, they are as culturally foreigners as you and me. Sometimes it creates embarrassment as they may not 'look' foreigner.

 

[beijingwalker]

It turned out to be a Canadian Jewish Pug! Pretending to be Muslim to please Jewish hosts. You don't care about Kashmir, you don't care about Indian Muslims in South Asia, you don't care about American soldiers killing 800,000 Muslim civilians. You are not Muslim, you only know how to cooperate with your Jewish masters and spread rumors about China.
Do you dare to expose the US military's harm to Muslim civilians, and you dare to criticize Sweden? Do you dare to admit the genocide of Aboriginal people in Canada? Dare to be anti-Semitic in Canada?Do you dare to come to China? You dare not do anything. You are a slave to low self-esteem. a dog.

lOl, this is what happens if Xinjiang really became a country, an adamant India ally worse than Afhanistan, hell bent for total destruction of Pakistan.

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[nahtanbob]

These are mostly Chinese-Americans (multi-generational). Chinese immigrants came to San Francisco in 19th century. Culturally, they are very American (many or most in mixed marriages with Non-Chinese). Many speak a smattering of Chinese and enjoy San Francisco style Chinese food. That's about it. If they visit PRC, they are as culturally foreigners as you and me. Sometimes it creates embarrassment as they may not 'look' foreigner.

you are confusing SF Chinese with Cupertino Chinese. I would assume Cupertino would be Silicon Valley engineers/scientists. It is possible there is high % of Taiwanese

 

[epebble]

you are confusing SF Chinese with Cupertino Chinese. I would assume Cupertino would be Silicon Valley engineers/scientists. It is possible there is high % of Taiwanese

Yes, that is why I bracketed Taiwanese and pre-1949 mainlanders together. They represent a distinctly different cultural group compared to post-1949 mainlanders. One characteristic is that the former are assimilationists. They quickly consider themselves Americans and Asian/Chinese as secondary. It is the reverse with post-1949 mainlanders.