French Presidential and Legislative Elections 2017-News and Updates

[AUz]

Sarkozy when took office had to face two major economical crisis,and had to manage a France with high deficits,rising debts,poverty,unemployment etc,of course this played in 2012. Sarkozy might not be perfect,but he had the authority,something the clown Hollande lack.

@Blue Marlin

The first results are coming. The votes of 2912 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 42,8%,followed by Juppé at 26% and Sarkozy at 24,4%,of course this is just the begining !

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New results :

The votes of 4219 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 43,3%,followed by Juppé at 26,2% and Sarkozy at 23,7%.

Bruno Le Maire at 2,9%.
Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet at 2,2%.
Jean Frédéric Poisson at 1,4%.
Jean François Copé at 0,3%.
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New results :

The votes of 5496 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 43,6%,followed by Juppé at 26,7% and Sarkozy at 22,9%.

Bruno Le Maire at 2,8%.
Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet at 2,3%.
Jean Frédéric Poisson at 1,4%.
Jean François Copé at 0,3%.
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New results :

The votes of 7365 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 43,7%,followed by Juppé at 27,8% and Sarkozy at 21,7%.

Bruno Le Maire at 2,6%.
Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet at 2,5%.
Jean Frédéric Poisson at 1,4%.
Jean François Copé at 0,3%.


@AUz

Don't know much about this Fillon guy and his stances on various issues pertaining to Muslims in France--but I am glad that Sarkozy piece of sh!t is getting trounced left and right!

Fillon vs Le Pen it's gonna be, I guess? (I presume Fillon will get more Sarkozy votes than Juppe in second run)..

whos the guy with the most votes? is he a socialist or capitalist, is he left or right wing?

Right wing...

 

[Vergennes]

whos the guy with the most votes? is he a socialist or capitalist, is he left or right wing?

This is the center-right election,and the one with the most vote currently is François Fillon (I voted for him),former prime minister of Sarkozy.
He's labelled as the 'Tatcherian boy' because of his 'shock' and liberal project. Read some of his projects above. Post #17.

Polls and analysts said he would never make it to the secound round and will have at most 10-14%. They were wrong again.
Trump,Brexit... they were wrong,and are again wrong.

Don't know much about this Fillon guy and his stances on various issues pertaining to Muslims in France--but I am glad that Sarkozy piece of sh!t is getting trounced left and right!

Fillon vs Le Pen it's gonna be, I guess? (I presume Fillon will get more Sarkozy votes than Juppe in second run)..



Right wing...

Well,we will see next week,there will be a debate thursday between the two first. Next sunday for the secound round. I think that many Sarkozy voters will vote for Fillon. Bruno Le Maire already stated his support for Fillon.
To be honest,I am surprised about Sarkozy,but a fact must be said : A lot of leftist voters went to vote against Sarkozy....
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New results :

The votes of 7948 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 43,9%,followed by Juppé at 27,9% and Sarkozy at 21,4%.

Bruno Le Maire at 2,6%.
Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet at 2,5%.
Jean Frédéric Poisson at 1,4%.
Jean François Copé at 0,3%.

 

[Blue Marlin]

This is the center-right election,and the one with the most vote currently is François Fillon (I voted for him),former prime minister of Sarkozy.
He's labelled as the 'Tatcherian boy' because of his 'shock' and liberal project. Read some of his projects above. Post #17.

Polls and analysts said he would never make it to the secound round and will have at most 10-14%. They were wrong again.
Trump,Brexit... they were wrong,and are again wrong.



Well,we will see next week,there will be a debate thursday between the two first. Next sunday for the secound round.
To be honest,I am surprised about Sarkozy,but a fact must be said : A lot of leftist voters went to vote against Sarkozy....

what about his mirgant policy? and what about taxes are they going up? actually whats the tax rate if you earn lets say 60k euro. and do you lot have something like nhs? and whats the vat rate over there.

 

[Vergennes]

what about his mirgant policy?

About immigration ;

He wants to be written in the constitution that immigration only depends to our capacities of welcoming people.
He wants to reduce it and make the parliament vote each years quotas.
He wants to toughen family reunification.
He wants immigrants to get benefits only after they lived 2 years in our country. (Not automatically).
He wants to deport foreigners that have been sentenced by the justice.
He wants to cut the free healthcare for immigrants only to urgent cases.
He wants to reduce the time asylum demands are investigated from about 2 years to 6 months.
He wants to keep immigrants in special centers the time of their demands and deported if they are refused.
He wants to reinforce Schengen border controls.
He wants to suspend countries who do not respect their parts in Schengen.
He wants to make it easier to put border controls back.

Among other things...

and what about taxes are they going up?

About any taxes,his goal is to make our groups more competitive and reduce the labor cost.

€40Bn of tax cuts for businesses and labor reduction costs.
€10Bn tax cut for households,targeting the families and middle classes.
V.A.T will increase by 2 points to 22%,but will only councern imported products,so that the Made in France is privilegied.

actually whats the tax rate if you earn lets say 60k euro. and do you lot have something like nhs? and whats the vat rate over there.

Everything you need to know about France's healthcare system.

http://about-france.com/health-care.htm
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New results :

The votes of 8400 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 44%,followed by Juppé at 28,1% and Sarkozy at 21,1%.

Bruno Le Maire at 2,5%.
Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet at 2,5%.
Jean Frédéric Poisson at 1,4%.
Jean François Copé at 0,3%.

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Sarkozy announced his support for Fillon in the secound round.

 

[Vergennes]

New results :

The votes of 9855 polling stations (out of 10.228) were counted and Fillon comes first at 44,1%,followed by Juppé at 28,5% and Sarkozy at 20,6%.

Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet at 2,6%.
Bruno Le Maire at 2,4%.
Jean Frédéric Poisson at 1,5%.
Jean François Copé at 0,3%.

 

[Vergennes]

Fillon wins French rightwing presidential primary

The conservative François Fillon will be France's right wing presidential candidate in next year's election after beating rival Alain Juppé handsomely in Sunday's primary run-off vote.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20161127/fillon-set-win-rightwing-primary-runoff-initial-results-show

Wow. I expected him to win, but not by this margin. Polls were showing roughly a 55-45% split in the runoff. But it seems that he's won the runoff with more than 65% of the vote. A very impressive victory indeed.

Polls weren't that innacurate for the second round,giving Fillon a victory of about 61-65% against Juppé. This primary was very important,because the winner could well be the next French president. The winner of this primary is planned to run against Marine Le Pen in the second round of the coming Presidential elections,and eventually beat her.
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A great victory indeed.

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He came first in the majority of french departements.

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[Desertfalcon]

Fillon wins French rightwing presidential primary

The conservative François Fillon will be France's right wing presidential candidate in next year's election after beating rival Alain Juppé handsomely in Sunday's primary run-off vote.

As I mentioned in your other thread, personally, I would have voted for Fillon if I were French but honestly, I will not be the least surprised if Marine Le Pen wins the final, no matter what the polls say. The problem with the Républicains Party of France is similar to the Republican Party of America; both have become too entrenched into the "establishment", too tied to special interests and corporate interests, too detached from everyday sorts of people.

 

[Vergennes]

As I mentioned in your other thread, personally, I would have voted for Fillon if I were French but honestly, I will not be the least surprised if Marine Le Pen wins the final, no matter what the polls say. The problem with the Républicains Party of France is similar to the Republican Party of America; both have become too entrenched into the "establishment", too tied to special interests and corporate interests, too detached from everyday sorts of people.

I think that Fillon's election is good,he's serious,has a strong project (built with thousands of french all over the country),and isn't really part of a 'group' in the party,he's a lone wolf.
It was time for the french right to get rid of the Sarkozysm,and the Chiracism. (Represented by Juppé.) This will be only good. The National Front also recognized that Fillon is the most dangerous to them. (Many of NF voters could vote for him because of his positions on identity,family,immigration and others.)
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I doubt about Le Pen,no way all other voters,will choose her,more people will vote in the second round just to block Le Pen and her party's election.
In the last regional elections,the National Front came first in 6 out of 13 regions,more people went to vote,only to block them,and they ended winning none. (Marine Le Pen loosing in the Hauts-De-France). Like they ended winning no departements' presidency. France is turning right,not necessarily far right.

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@Desertfalcon Not to add that they do not really have a real project,a part from immigration and getting out of the EU,we don't hear much about the rest.
They do not have any clear economic policy,split between those wanting a liberal economy and others a protectionist and interventionist one. Not to talk about others unclear positions....

 

[Desertfalcon]

I doubt about Le Pen,no way all other voters,will choose her,more people will vote in the second round just to block Le Pen and her party's election.
In the last regional elections,the National Front came first in 6 out of 13 regions,more people went to vote,only to block them,and they ended winning none. (Marine Le Pen loosing in the Hauts-De-France). Like they ended winning no departements' presidency. France is turning right,not necessarily far right.

I don't know. I've heard this before BREXIT and in our recent elections. Almost every single pollster of note predicted a fairly easy Hillary Clinton win, buuuuuuut.........

Not to add that they do not really have a real project,a part from immigration and getting out of the EU,we don't hear much about the rest.
They do not have any clear economic policy,split between those wanting a liberal economy and others a protectionist and interventionist one. Not to talk about others unclear positions....

I hope you are right but again, many of Mr. Trump's positions were pretty implausible but in the end, people voted their anger and didn't care about the details.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Vergennes After Trumps victory in America it would be a disaster if Marie le Pen won in France. Just hope that does not happen.

 

[Desert Fox]

@Vergennes After Trumps victory in America it would be a disaster if Marie le Pen won in France. Just hope that does not happen.

Too bad for you . I can almost sense the butt hurt from here.

Let the French people decide their own fate. I'm sure they can do without an alien element like yourself advising them on who they should support.

 

[Vergennes]

@Vergennes After Trumps victory in America it would be a disaster if Marie le Pen won in France. Just hope that does not happen.

She will never win. Despite her growing popularity and her party's,she has little chances to win the presidency and have the assemblée nationale with a majority of FN members.
People are afraid of the National Front,and they will always move their @sses to vote against her party in any elections,despite her trying to wash her father's and the party's reputation.
Reason why they only hold dozen of communes (out of +36.000),no departements (out of 101) and no regions presidency. (out of 13). Presidency is just a dream to be honest. @Desertfalcon @Desert Fox

 

[Louiq XIV]

She will never win. Despite her growing popularity and her party's,she has little chances to win the presidency and have the assemblée nationale with a majority of FN members.
People are afraid of the National Front,and they will always move their @sses to vote against her party in any elections,despite her trying to wash her father's and the party's reputation.
Reason why they only hold dozen of communes (out of +36.000),no departements (out of 101) and no regions presidency. (out of 13). Presidency is just a dream to be honest. @Desertfalcon @Desert Fox

Yes I share the same feeling. Marine Lepen has no chance to win but she may be a finalist.

 

[Vergennes]

Yes I share the same feeling. Marine Lepen has no chance to win but she may be a finalist.

Second round : Fillon vs Le Pen --> "Republican Front" --> Fillon by a large margin ?

I don't see any other candidates making it to the second round.... What do you think ?

 

[Louiq XIV]

Second round : Fillon vs Le Pen --> "Republican Front" --> Fillon by a large margin ?

I don't see any other candidates making it to the second round.... What do you think ?

Yup that's what I think will happen. And in this scenario the Republican Front wins with 70% vs 30% (it was 82% for Chirac in 2002 but I think Marine will do better than her dad).

But another possibility is Fillon being very right conservative will scare more moderated conservative or people from the center. That coupled with a more unified left than expected (but that won't happen) and we could have a LePen vs Left 2nd round.