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seriously their is no need to turn physco with your blind hate towards pakistan, and lol indians never stop amusing me with their brilliant state of mind. did you even get the term "LCH"? do you even know what it stands for?? LIGHT COMBAT HELICOPTER! btw its going to be a fun battle field for MANPADS.. typical indian that you are.. you probably skimmed along wikipeedia and thought you have become a military general analyst.. typical BR boy..
and lol if speed, weight, ceiling, storage is your criteria of judging any military air crafts then i am sorry to say but that will be nothing but a idiocy of yourself.. Tiger can chew 10 T-90s any day any time and walk away unhurt any time.. :)
Not sure where you see blind hate towards pakistan in my post (or in any other posts of mine). I guess your missinterpret something, I only asked for your reasons why you see the Tiger to be the second best attack helicopter. As Penguin also showed, the Tiger aswell as PAs Cobras and HALs LCH (I know what the name means, but thx anyway) are in the same class, that's why I said they are comparable and why I said the addition of Viper, Apache or Rooivalks would be more useful for PA. So no need for hatred or offense!
dont you wory sancho, the your LCH rules, just because it is yours!...
I never said that, so there is no need for me to further comment this, please search for another member to play the blame game.
 
AS-550 gunship is not too bad a solution either to supplement the Cobras. Besides its flight ceiling is one of the best in the world (the gunship can actually be used in the environs of Siachen as well if ever desired).
In its attack configuration, the AS 550 C3 Fennec can be equipped with a gun, rockets, or machine guns. Its stability, manoeuvrability and low detectability make it an excellent platform. For example, when armed with a 20 mm axial gun or with two rocket launchers
, it can perform 2 hours and 45 minutes of tactical flight missions with 20 minutes fuel reserve.

In its anti-tank configuration, it is equipped for instance with TOW missiles, which are part of the Helitow sighting system, and can operate both day and night. When armed with 4 missiles, this aircraft can perform a tactical flight mission lasting 2 hours 30 minutes, both day and night, and still have a fuel reserve of 20 minutes.
 
Not sure where you see blind hate towards pakistan in my post (or in any other posts of mine). I guess your missinterpret something, I only asked for your reasons why you see the Tiger to be the second best attack helicopter. As Penguin also showed, the Tiger aswell as PAs Cobras and HALs LCH (I know what the name means, but thx anyway) are in the same class, that's why I said they are comparable and why I said the addition of Viper, Apache or Rooivalks would be more useful for PA. So no need for hatred or offense!

kid you need to reread my post carefully..
again.. you can not compare heli, fighter jets, subs, tanks or anything based on their general characteristics!.. F-104 is capable of out speeding JF-17, B-52 can deliver more payload then B-2, Mig-25 can climb higher travel faster then any 4.5 generation fighter... same vise.. Mi-28 can carry more payload then next generation Tiger... so are you trying to tell us that Indians and russians are smarter then dumb french and germans that they came up with cheaper 10 million dollar platform yet capable as 50+ million dollars tigers? ya keep deluding your self.. because their is more to just payload and ceiling... something your indian brain cant comprehend.
 
Why would you use Gunships in an area where no possibility of Tank, APC or even a bike exists? You can use LGB's that are carried by the F-16 and F-7's more fastly and effectively.
kid you need to reread my post carefully..
again.. you can not compare heli, fighter jets, subs, tanks or anything based on their general characteristics!.. F-104 is capable of out speeding JF-17, B-52 can deliver more payload then B-2, Mig-25 can climb higher travel faster then any 4.5 generation fighter... same vise.. Mi-28 can carry more payload then next generation Tiger... so are you trying to tell us that Indians and russians are smarter then dumb french and germans that they came up with cheaper 10 million dollar platform yet capable as 50+ million dollars tigers? ya keep deluding your self.. because their is more to just payload and ceiling... something your indian brain cant comprehend.
Heck even the Mig-21 is faster then the F-35!
 
Iam with the idea of the super cobra's
 
Why not JH-7A its also a bomb truck 9000lbs of munition good for Both A2G and A2S roles
 
No Tiger Helos in Potential French Sale To Pakistan - Defense News

No Tiger Helos in Potential French Sale To Pakistan
By USMAN ANSARI, ISLAMABAD


France is preparing a comprehensive defense package to help Pakistan in its counterterrorism operations in the North West Frontier Province bordering Afghanistan, according to a spokesman at the French defense section at Paris' embassy here.

Local media had reported a possible Franco-Pakistani defense deal in early July.

The spokesman said that the deal would include weapons and training.

"Nothing has been agreed, but a lot of things have been discussed. The main issue is to help Pakistan in the area of counterterrorism," he said.

He gave no further details but denied reports that a deal had been reached to sell the Franco-German Tiger helicopter to Islamabad.

The spokesman said the deal might be concluded when French President Nicholas Sarkozy visits sometime after Sept. 21.

France is already working to remedy a shortage of helicopters that has hindered the Pakistan Army during its counterterrorism operations in the North West Frontier Province. The French have returned Pakistan's Puma transport and utility helicopters to full operational status. They are also providing the armed variant of the AS550 Fennec light helicopter, which will join the unarmed Ecureuil variant that in service with Pakistan Army Aviation.

But France may not be keen to sell the Tiger gunship, said defense analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium.

Khan said the Pakistan Army needs extra gunships "immediately," but he noted that the most obvious source, Washington, is unable to meet the need. Pakistan had hoped to acquire the AH-64 Apache, but no funds are available for the purchase.

Additional AH-1F Cobras are also unlikely to materialize soon because, he said, "it takes close to 24 to 36 months to refurbish a stored AH-1 S/F and make it fully combat-operational."

However, a spokesman for the defense section in the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad said Pakistan had previously declined an offer of further refurbished Cobras.

"Through Foreign Military Financing (FMF), the U.S. provided 12 refurbished AH-1Fs to Pakistan in 2007. Pakistan used U.S. grants to pay for the refurbishments. Also through FMF, the U.S. offered to refurbish an additional eight Pakistan Army AH-1F Cobras; however, Pakistan decided not to pursue this course of action," he said.

Khan said the only other U.S. option also comes with a considerable time delay.

"The U.S. has indicated that they are willing and able to release close to 14 AH-1W Super Cobras immediately, but first Pakistan Army pilots and technicians would need to be trained. Therefore, the Pakistan Army would be looking at another 10 to 12 months before it wears Pakistani colors," he said.

Khan said Pakistan's needs would best be met by the South African AH-2 Rooivalk.

"It is hard-hitting, rugged, needs little support, the Pakistan Army is familiar with the Puma platform [upon which it is based] and has expertise with it, and it suits Pakistan's industrial base to a large degree."

But he said the Rooivalk program is now all but at a premature end, and Islamabad lacks the finances to revive and purchase it from the South Africans.
 
Armed with gun AS 550

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Armed with rocket

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i am glad that clears all the media speculations!
 
It seems we are going to stick with the cobra's for a while.....ahh well:rolleyes:
 
i am glad that clears all the media speculations!

lol... so you are going to believe over a big time self appointed defence analysts usman ansari who has zero credibility over French and pakistani government officials??? remember few months back the german few media speculations claimed that PAK-German U-boat deal is over.. then few months after HDW, German military, and majority of their gov is willing to sell u-boats to PAK...

and lol @ usman ansaris journalism... let him play around with his keyboard.
 
Because they are not only ment for anti tank missions, I guess Cobras are in action against Talban in Swat too right? They will be deployed also against infantry other armoured vehicle and in our regions with high altitudes the ceiling matters.
Where are infantry and other armoured vehicles located? In the air?

Ceiling is relative to the ground. If the ground is high ground (i.e. up in the mountains) ceiling is stil the same. DIfference is air density > you need more engine power to get the same lift (not necessarily a greater ceiling). Hot and High conditions will hamper all helicopters, irrespective of type (though some will do better than others, for the above reason: greater engine power).
 
if speed, weight, ceiling, storage is your criteria of judging any military air crafts then i am sorry to say but that will be nothing but a idiocy of yourself.
Just curious: What other criteria would you suggest in comparing attack helicopters?
 

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