France refuses to budge on IAF specifications for Rafale

[NKVD]

That should not be something enforced on you by the seller. Tomorrow the seller may just quote an outrageous price. If something is manufactured in India, it must be the choice of Indians as to what they want. By this logic, if even a much better missile is available as opposed to what the OEM is supplying, we simply have no choice but to grin & bear it....?

If this is how the French are behaving even before a deal is signed, I shudder to think of the consequences in the long term......

French Thinks India is Cash cow We paid 40 million per piece Just to Upgrade 51 odd Mirage-2000.No wonder MOD is cautious this Time.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Oh.. much longer.

Its a buyers market, we are giving them business & jobs. We are within our rights to seek our pound of flesh.

well okay, if that's the case why aren't they putting out

 

[samlove]

Exactly, thats how things work they wont allow any other equipment other than their own. So we have to end up getting milked up. French can afford to lose so do we. India is a big market for arms , when the next tender comes up we can show them the middle finger. Bloody hell we are giving tons of money plus jobs and they wont give us what we want.
Money talks if they want they should have a deal on our terms if not take a walk.

tht wht i am saying russian are eager to supply anything , why not get tht , for i rafale we can get two su 35, so they should think

 

[GURU DUTT]

guru there are many often also now french are doing the same tht russian used to do , taking longer time and asking for more money, if they would have asked for more money tht would have been a reasonable thing but telling they will not do it and telling us instead to take their missile thts not acceptable.

well brother al depends on owr intend and as of now the rafale deal has almost gone sour and frenchies know its not much in it anyway as they are already sulking for there investment lost deu to change in gaurd in indian PMO & MOD

now we are right to demand that owr missiles should also be on rafales but we first have to mature them fully and try them on other platforms adding some new software for new missiles on rafle wont take long but getting rigid over this issue is nothing but yet another pressure tactics by corrupt top boses in IAF

 

[IndoUS]

we are not the onli ones who are giving "tonns of money" and we are not the onli nation who buys stuff like that from them and with oil rich arab nations finalli making there intentions clear for rafales frenchies are right to demand what they want to give in return nothing wrtong in it ITS greed of IAF top genrals aswell cause they are the ones who were main cause of this delay

no need to be uber patriotic wqe should have some degree of rationalism about how buisness is done specially when the deal is going sour deu to owr own greed and lethargy

ME nations would never order the same numbers like India does the only nation in ME who has the need for large air force is SA and they are already using EF typhoon. France was and is still desperate to find a buyer since it is in direct competition to EF and the American f16 and f/a-18 or Russian migs or su.

 

[samlove]

Russia especially no doubt.....despite india falling into the US camp. The same camp which actually supported your bid to UNSC (though that will likely not happen anymore)

even eurofighter and grifen are eager to supply, even want to help in lca 2 so lets see, aslo about un seat bid its not end of the world my friend and time will tell

 

[GURU DUTT]

ME nations would never order the same numbers like India does the only nation in ME who has the need for large air force is SA and they are already using EF typhoon. France was and is still desperate to find a buyer since it is in direct competition to EF and the American f16 and f/a-18 or Russian migs or su.

its owr fault as we delayed this deal so much yes frenchies are greedy but which arms manufacturer is not

pervious MOD is itself to blame for it frenchies were here to make money not do charity

no dought its a big order but frenchies now have many potential buyers who knows if we drag owr feat like this even PAF might jump in and orders some of these machines and UAE & quatar are already in final stages to finalies it

 

[samlove]

well brother al depends on owr intend and as of now the rafale deal has almost gone sour and frenchies know its not much in it anyway as they are already sulking for there investment lost deu to change in gaurd in indian PMO & MOD

now we are right to demand that owr missiles should also be on rafales but we first have to mature them fully and try them on other platforms adding some new software for new missiles on rafle wont take long but getting rigid over this issue is nothing but yet another pressure tactics by corrupt top boses in IAF

we have tested astra on su 30 many time even 2 on same day also guru if iaf is asking to incorporate then some advantage is their in astra other wise its the same iaf who doesnt corporate on anything made in india, also its goes same for french they can corporate even ask for more money nobody cares

 

[IndoUS]

its owr fault as we delayed this deal so much yes frenchies are greedy but which arms manufacturer is not

pervious MOD is itself to blame for it frenchies were here to make money not do charity

no dought its a big order but frenchies now have many potential buyers who knows if we drag owr feat like this even PAF might jump in and orders some of these machines and UAE & quatar are already in final stages to finalies it

Let's be realistic here UAE and Quatar have much higher chance of buying EF typhoon because of Saudi influence. As for PAF they would be in more trouble getting the funds they have a higher chance buying Chinese twin engine than French. France has already lost majority of it major buyers like Brazil and Singapore, so it is only time.

 

[NKVD]

Plans are in place for acquisition of new aircrafts : IAF chief Raha | idrw.org
Guys what do you think It 65 off shelf PAK Fa

 

[GURU DUTT]

we have tested astra on su 30 many time even 2 on same day also guru if iaf is asking to incorporate then some advantage is their in astra other wise its the same iaf who doesnt corporate on anything made in india, also its goes same for french they can corporate even ask for more money nobody cares

it takes at least 12 tests like that to make it vaible and that to on multiple platforms

astra is still at least 5 years from maturity then why start beating the chest just yet ?

thing is IAF top bosses know there is no way they can make cuts like before so want france to take initaiative and make some "special arrangements" and thats it .... but frenchies this time are not willing till they have the first chuque in there hands which as of now these genrals cant force new MOD & MOD to do

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Russia especially no doubt.....despite india falling into the US camp. The same camp which actually supported your bid to UNSC (though that will likely not happen anymore)

India doesnt do the whole camp thing.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Let's be realistic here UAE and Quatar have much higher chance of buying EF typhoon because of Saudi influence. As for PAF they would be in more trouble getting the funds they have a higher chance buying Chinese twin engine than French. France has already lost majority of it major buyers like Brazil and Singapore, so it is only time.

dont count your chickens till they hatch

thing is UAE & quatar will never go for what SA wants them to go for in the first place and who knows saudies may finance this deal for PAF aswell to make them do what they want

 

[Imran Khan]

beta chup ker ke 200 F-7 khareed lo bangladesh ki trah stop gap karo

 

[Indika]

we are not the onli ones who are giving "tonns of money" and we are not the onli nation who buys stuff like that from them and with oil rich arab nations finalli making there intentions clear for rafales frenchies are right to demand what they want to give in return nothing wrtong in it ITS greed of IAF top genrals aswell cause they are the ones who were main cause of this delay

no need to be uber patriotic wqe should have some degree of rationalism about how buisness is done specially when the deal is going sour deu to owr own greed and lethargy

Oil is going down so do the arab economies. I am sure they wont buy as much as india does. Secondly let us not equate arabs with india. We are technically better than them and maintain the planes on our own. One of the reasons we went with french is they are willing to sell the equipment to the devil f (russian deal is an exception) and would not have any problems with spare parts (US/UK deals are prone to sanctions).

Further more as I said we have other deals coming by. You are right no need to be jingoistic or patriotic it is pure business deal you need to try to extract the maximum with minimum. Most of these deals keeps their plant running for a year or two. If they dont sign the deal they have to shut shop after 3years or find another customer in another 2 years.
Probability/Profitability wise they are better of having deal in their kitty and they can milk some other arabs camel.