France refuses to budge on IAF specifications for Rafale

[IndoUS]

it takes at least 12 tests like that to make it vaible and that to on multiple platforms

astra is still at least 5 years from maturity then why start beating the chest just yet ?

thing is IAF top bosses know there is no way they can make cuts like before so want france to take initaiative and make some "special arrangements" and thats it .... but frenchies this time are not willing till they have the first chuque in there hands which as of now these genrals cant force new MOD & MOD to do

Even if astra takes 5 years if you do not have proper integration setup then you will still be screwed these planes would serve us for the next two decades it is in our interest to get our missile setup option.

 

[NKVD]

beta chup ker ke 200 F-7 khareed lo bangladesh ki trah stop gap karo

Bhaijaan if we Really want to Fill gap we can Easily Do it by Manufacturing 400+ Sukhoi Mki

 

[GURU DUTT]

Even if astra takes 5 years if you do not have proper integration setup then you will still be screwed these planes would serve us for the next two decades it is in our interest to get our missile setup option.

rafales will already come with IRIS-T , Meteor & MICA & MAGIC II combo and thats more than enof till astra is fully matured so why drag owr feet just for that till then ?

 

[IndoUS]

dont count your chickens till they hatch

thing is UAE & quatar will never go for what SA wants them to go for in the first place and who knows saudies may finance this deal for PAF aswell to make them do what they want

You do realize Sauids are partner in EF project why on earth would they fund Pakistan to buy a competitor plane. UAE and Quatar will buy most likely buy an aircraft that would work in conjunction with SA, since SA is more of a protectorate and the one that takes most of the major decisions.

 

[Imran Khan]

Bhaijaan if we Really want to Fill gap we can Easily Do it by Manufacturing 400+ Sukhoi Mki

they why so much drama of this man ? this deal is become now totally drama every week new episode

 

[GURU DUTT]

Oil is going down so do the arab economies. I am sure they wont buy as much as india does. Secondly let us not equate arabs with india. We are technically better than them and maintain the planes on our own. One of the reasons we went with french is they are willing to sell the equipment to the devil f (russian deal is an exception) and would not have any problems with spare parts (US/UK deals are prone to sanctions).

Further more as I said we have other deals coming by. You are right no need to be jingoistic or patriotic it is pure business deal you need to try to extract the maximum with minimum. Most of these deals keeps their plant running for a year or two. If they dont sign the deal they have to shut shop after 3years or find another customer in another 2 years.
Probability/Profitability wise they are better of having deal in their kitty and they can milk some other arabs camel.

brother arab states will still be dominating oil market for at least a decade or even a couple of decade to come so dont write them of just yet

thing is rafle is best we can get right now but is way too expensive but we want it and frenchies know it so they will do what they are good at its we have to make owr priorities clear not the other way round

 

[IndoUS]

rafales will already come with IRIS-T , Meteor & MICA & MAGIC II combo and thats more than enof till astra is fully matured so why drag owr feet just for that till then ?

It's not dragging if we don't get the proper integration setup now then 5 years down the line they would complain about not having resources to fund the integration process and charge on the same line as they charged for Mirage upgrade.

 

[NKVD]

they why so much drama of this man ? this deal is become now totally drama every week new episode

Bhaijaan because 5 star generals Love Western Deals as It will Provide them Great benefits

 

[samlove]

it takes at least 12 tests like that to make it vaible and that to on multiple platforms

astra is still at least 5 years from maturity then why start beating the chest just yet ?

thing is IAF top bosses know there is no way they can make cuts like before so want france to take initaiative and make some "special arrangements" and thats it .... but frenchies this time are not willing till they have the first chuque in there hands which as of now these genrals cant force new MOD & MOD to do

guru bhai even taj mahal was not built in a one year if we dont take initiative now then how we will reduce dependence on foriegn stuff

 

[Imran Khan]

Bhaijaan because 5 star generals Love Western Deals as It will Provide them Great benefits

hum ka insaan baneen gay ? any chances in near future ?

 

[GURU DUTT]

You do realize Sauids are partner in EF project why on earth would they fund Pakistan to buy a competitor plane. UAE and Quatar will buy most likely buy an aircraft that would work in conjunction with SA, since SA is more of a protectorate and the one that takes most of the major decisions.

well nothing is too wild when it comes to saudi royal family and we can expect anything

we should do what is in owr best interests and same goes for frenchies its we who delayed the rafale deal so much and we are the ones who is going to pay for that ... take it or leave it simple as that

 

[IND151]

not that long

Take a look at Brazilian deal.

 

[GURU DUTT]

guru bhai even taj mahal was not built in a one year if we dont take initiative now then how we will reduce dependence on foriegn stuff

tell that to IAF top bosses who dragged there feat on rafale tejas and many such projects

 

[IndoUS]

well nothing is too wild when it comes to saudi royal family and we can expect anything

we should do what is in owr best interests and same goes for frenchies its we who delayed the rafale deal so much and we are the ones who is going to pay for that ... take it or leave it simple as that

Correction we never delayed the deal it was France who went back on the original requirements for the deal for MMRCA so we are in no place to blame. There is a reason is to why Germany and Sweden are still pushing for the EF and Grippen.

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

French is not afraid of cost. They have more pride than money. Look at the mistral deal with Russian. I advise indian to eat humble pie if they want Rafale deal.

And we too don't care about money . We respect capabilities. Or else we won't spend so much money on mki or fgfa. French should understand that