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France offers 25% discount to India on purchase of 36 Rafale jets :sick:

NEW DELHI: France agreed to a 25% discount on its earlier offer to clinch the deal for an off the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Paris last month. This will be the base on which further negotiations will take place on Wednesday.

The ballpark cost per aircraft as per Dassault's winning bid for the 126 MMRCA programme — the old, nowscrapped, Rafale deal — came to about $300 million, taking into account the estimates of Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL). Sources told ET that the objective was to bring this down to a little over $200 million apiece. :bad:

The overall cost is not expected to cross $8 billion for the entire 36-aircraft fleet, French sources said. MMRCA stands for medium multi-role combat aircraft.

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The price per aircraft is not just the acquisition cost of the platform, but also includes maintenance facilities, training of pilots and technicians, armaments and spares. In comparison, Dassault signed a deal with Qatar on Monday to sell 24 Rafale fighters for $7 billion, which would put the per-aircraft cost at just over $290 million. India is set to get a better deal because of the larger number being ordered. It may be noted that the rival Eurofighter that was also in contention for the contract had offered India a 20% price cut after the new government took over.

Besides the discount, France has agreed to undertake a longer maintenance schedule. The delivery of the first aircraft, according to the broad understanding reached at Paris, would take place in the next two-three years. France is believed to have pushed for a much larger off-the-shelf purchase with better concessions but New Delhi was wary of the impact this would have on the PM's own Make in India initiative. The number, 36, was France's bottom line in the negotiations. Before the visit, France had put its entire diplomatic weight behind striking a deal, which had got caught up in complications that would have translated into a cost escalation. This would have meant it would get reopened, further delaying the programme.


Fresh negotiations began only after India made clear that the old deal was dead. This happened because the cost of the programme had swelled beyond all estimates owing to differences between Dassault and state-owned HAL on the manpower required to produce the aircraft. HAL had estimated that India would require 2.7 times the man hours that France uses for constructing the aircraft, putting the cost beyond negotiation.

France offers 25% discount to India on purchase of 36 Rafale jets - The Economic Times
 
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Instead India should have gone for buying the tech like AESA, Engines and Advanced electronics then integrating them onto mig 29 airframe.

Anyway we have mirages which are upgraded and can do deep strike missions.
 
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France offers 25% discount to India on purchase of 36 Rafale jets :sick:

NEW DELHI: France agreed to a 25% discount on its earlier offer to clinch the deal for an off the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Paris last month. This will be the base on which further negotiations will take place on Wednesday.

The ballpark cost per aircraft as per Dassault's winning bid for the 126 MMRCA programme — the old, nowscrapped, Rafale deal — came to about $300 million, taking into account the estimates of Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL). Sources told ET that the objective was to bring this down to a little over $200 million apiece. :bad:

The overall cost is not expected to cross $8 billion for the entire 36-aircraft fleet, French sources said. MMRCA stands for medium multi-role combat aircraft.

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The price per aircraft is not just the acquisition cost of the platform, but also includes maintenance facilities, training of pilots and technicians, armaments and spares. In comparison, Dassault signed a deal with Qatar on Monday to sell 24 Rafale fighters for $7 billion, which would put the per-aircraft cost at just over $290 million. India is set to get a better deal because of the larger number being ordered. It may be noted that the rival Eurofighter that was also in contention for the contract had offered India a 20% price cut after the new government took over.

Besides the discount, France has agreed to undertake a longer maintenance schedule. The delivery of the first aircraft, according to the broad understanding reached at Paris, would take place in the next two-three years. France is believed to have pushed for a much larger off-the-shelf purchase with better concessions but New Delhi was wary of the impact this would have on the PM's own Make in India initiative. The number, 36, was France's bottom line in the negotiations. Before the visit, France had put its entire diplomatic weight behind striking a deal, which had got caught up in complications that would have translated into a cost escalation. This would have meant it would get reopened, further delaying the programme.


Fresh negotiations began only after India made clear that the old deal was dead. This happened because the cost of the programme had swelled beyond all estimates owing to differences between Dassault and state-owned HAL on the manpower required to produce the aircraft. HAL had estimated that India would require 2.7 times the man hours that France uses for constructing the aircraft, putting the cost beyond negotiation.

France offers 25% discount to India on purchase of 36 Rafale jets - The Economic Times
8 Billion for 36 when 12 Billion was for 126, please help me understand how exactly this is good news, it looks like it will take huge number to get 126.

Its life cycle cost
Aircrafts cost 4.2 Billion USD,
rest is for setting up training and maintenence infrastructure, weapons package and life time maintence spread over 40 years.

126 Rafales would have cost 35 Billion USD over lifetime
35 Billion holy shit
 
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$8 bn for only 36 planes WTF !!

Its life cycle cost
Aircrafts cost 4.2 Billion USD,
rest is for setting up training and maintenence infrastructure, weapons package and life time maintence spread over 40 years.

126 Rafales would have cost 35 Billion USD over lifetime

8 Billion for 36 when 12 Billion was for 126, please help me understand how exactly this is good news, it looks like it will take huge number to get 126.


35 Billion holy shit
$8 bn for only 36 planes WTF !!
The costs are all over the place- some are saying it is $6BN, some are saying 7, some going to $8BN!

Quatar's deal for 24 supposedly cost $7BN.



It is quite irrelevant anyway as these deals will always bundle in spares, training, support, weapons, infrastructure establishment etc etc and will be custom packages for each individual customer based on their specific needs.


We are unlikely to ever get an accurate unit cost for the Rafale because it will vary customer to customer, especially where the IAF is concerned (they will go for a higher level of customisation than almost any other international customer) and it is a trivial detail anyway.
 
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India's price haggling is world renown. So Daussault price the plane at 300mil. India is happy to bring it down to 200 mil and France is also happy to sell it at 200mil. Both sides now are happy. LOL
 
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India's price haggling is world renown. So Daussault price the plane at 300mil. India is happy to bring it down to 200 mil and France is also happy to sell it at 200mil. Both sides now are happy. LOL
no doubt we are paying for our Mistakes :(
 
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we could have got mirage 2000 production line & 126 mirages had we decided that in 2004..

probably in the same cost..
 
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India's price haggling is world renown. So Daussault price the plane at 300mil. India is happy to bring it down to 200 mil and France is also happy to sell it at 200mil. Both sides now are happy. LOL
Since everyone is happy, Why don't you change your flag to your real Chinese one. What are you ashamed of?
 
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