France knife attack: Two men armed with knives 'take hostages in Normandy church'

[illusion8]

Disagree? You practically agreed, what do you think substantial means? If you go beyond that, it's a majority.



Spot on bro. The Turks are a fine minority in Germany, and they stay well clear of this terrorist rubbish. They are indeed Sufi and you only have to look at the likes of Sheikh Nazim (ra) and the good work he has done.

There's a difference when you use substantial with a negative and with a positive..Both are complete opposite...I assume you meant substantial portion of the minority population...does make sense then.

 

[waz]

There's a difference when you use substantial with a negative and with a positive..Both are complete opposite...I assume you meant substantial portion of the minority population...does make sense then.

Yes that is what I meant.

 

[illusion8]

your post is full of ignorance. but I am compelled to respond these attacks in France and rest of Europe have been perpetrated by people born and bread here bar 2 cases in Germany
Muslims have been part of modern France well over a century since its colonial past and have lived peacefully contributing towards it during war and peace.

this current phenomenon that reached France was jointly constructed together with Arab Allies against Shia block of Iran/ Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. the day Western leaders divorce their Sectarian Arab partners... will be the day when this fanatic madness will start getting serious challenges in its spread. when the same western leaders really got serious.. they got rid of their prior creation Al Qaeda ...

the tragedy is (see posts of Saudis and Israelis) that they see Asad a bigger threat to world peace than ISIS and Israelis go as far as saying that they would prefer an ISIS neighbour than Asad. now I cant count how many terror attacks Asad based killers have conducted in Germany, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq, France or America... but I know that all of these were claimed by ISIS.

the civilians of the world will continue to fall victims of proxy wars, self interests, lies , deceit and hatred its just that some deaths matter more than others... no one knows how many civilians died in Syra when french conducted their airstrikes..
a Western commentator mourned the recent deaths in Europe and America but conveniently missed out the deaths in Dhaka and Kabul that happened almost in same timeline.

my belief is... nothing happens randomly. there are always some causes... blood of the innocent is spilled due to these international games that have no borders now.

RIP to all innocent dead whether in the east or in the west


may his soul rest in peace.

may your country stand together and unite and defeat this hatred.

Killing priests like in Bangladesh where they kill Hindu priests equates to occupation?..not really ,

the French, British empires have occupied colonies from Japan or China to the tip of south America, why isn't terrorism a part of daily life among these populations?.

The fact is, extreme Islamism has taken a drastic new turn. Let me have a go at it.

Taliban as a movement was revered in certain circles circa 1990 for their success in dethroning a superpower and gaining a country, their war tactics are being followed in violent jihad, their rule of law and it's method of imposing it (even more violently) is being followed as a case study.

Osama and Al qaeda was revered as a global jihad movement and the glory of 9/11 was celebrated throughout the Muslim world. OBL became a national hero for many a nations..and his death was mourned by millions of Muslims.

When he was killed zawahiri (clearly mentioned in his multiple speeches) endeavored to create operational groups rather than one single organization..ando all these groups were to operate individually though under a common umbrella.
Hence the rise of groups like Al shabaab, boko haram, Al nusra, ISIS and tens of others.

These groups are in the belief that they are fighting a holy war of the end of times and that the end of the world is nearing and these so martyrs or holy warriors are fighting the holy war of Islam.

Thousands are being brains washed to believe that they are winning on every front and that every successful attack from these holy warriors is are victory and is being celebrated across the jihadi board.

France is in throes of attacks because of charlie hebdo ridiculing Mohammed in cartoons and secondly because it's a soft target.

Trying to give it any other color is equal to be being dishonest of what's really the truth.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

France is in throes of attacks because of charlie hebdo ridiculing Mohammed in cartoons and secondly because it's a soft target.
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oversimplification my dear and its misdirected too
if Daesh gets the chance they will desecrate Mohammad PBUH's tomb as well.. they already tired bombing it and their ancestors attacked Grand mosque too. in Iraq and Syria they have desecrated shrines and tombs of many Islamic figures.
they don't give a flying F to Charlie's cartoons

I dont know what is the definition of a soft target. if you are implying over its large Muslim population then please read on my later posts.. this population has lived peacefully over a century( if not more ).. becoming part of France.
I dont know why this definition wont apply on say Saudi arabia .. (oh wait someone will say it has been attacked.. but sadly mostly its shia community).

beyond rhetoric and religious bashing of Islam... I see this problem with an alternative angle.. I see this is a planned chaos.. Daesh is directly and indirectly receiving support from Western Arab Allies and all too often the American airdrops find their way in the hands of Daesh (oops, oops, and oops again and again and again and again and counting).

west has effectivly destroyed all former secular (pro Soviet) governments in the middle east and found some very willing Arab partners who jumped with joy over settling their sectarian scores

 

[boomslang]

Trump is right !! And more than one wall needs to be built. Why Europe and the U.S. are still letting in these 'people' is beyond me.

 

[hussain0216]

Trump is right !! And more than one wall needs to be built. Why Europe and the U.S. are still letting in these 'people' is beyond me.

Consequences of colonialism

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Consequences of colonialism

they did not come by force it was idiots in the west who let them in and now they are paying the price

 

[DesiGuy1403]

@Europeans You lo have been impotent and are letting your people be butchered inside their homes, the churches, in parks. You might as well just stop living today than live without even putting up a fight.

No, this is not a law & order problem. This is not a lack of education problem. This is not a lack of employment problem.
This is a problem of ideologies. Your enemy want's to exterminate you. They don't want to discuss with you as they think you are beneath them and your only right is be to be killed at their hands. There is no reasoning with this vermin. There is no coming back for these inhumans into humanity. They are too far gone.

If you don't fight as a civilization, in decades you will become another Syria. Only this time you will have no where to run.

 

[American Pakistani]

Very sad incident. How can someone kill a priest?

 

[Vassnti]

Pensioner Claude-Albert Seguin told the Associated Press: "Everyone knew him very well. He was very loved in the community and a kind man."

Mohammed Karabila, the president of Normandy's Regional Council of the Muslim Faith, who worked with Father Hamel on an interfaith committee, described him as "a man of peace" who "dedicated his life to his ideas and religion".

A quiet man of peace who didn't steal gold or murder or rape or invade, he was not gibbs neither were the children under the truck in Niece there is no "west" to take revenge on any more that there is an "Islam" to blame.

A man of God has been brutaly slaughtered by sick individuals to drag up events commited by others only looks like a sad justification.

 

[boomslang]

Consequences of colonialism

We should have picked our own cotton. Imagine an America without.......Oh well.

 

[Mugwop]

We should have picked our own cotton. Imagine an America without.......Oh well.

America without blacks!! Caucasians will have no one left to hate So they will start cannibalising each other just like they did in Harlem.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/demo...l-call-amid-divisions-ranks/story?id=40898573

 

[MilSpec]

So is the equation innocent blood demands the revenge of innocent blood.
Yes there has been atrocities by the west, there has been exploitation, so the revenge must be some form of atrocities and exploitation? Is that the new equation, because an Airstrike created collateral damage the natural outcome of it must be people who had nothing to do with the airstrike being mowed down?

Let's recall another set of atrocities and exploitation, remember Jalianwala baag, and General Michael O'Dwyer who mowed down more than 1000 people brutally ... In response Late Uddham Singh did not go to London and start butchering random people, he could have, by what you have stated, his response would be the natural outcome, but he assassinated General Michael O'Dwyer.

His last words were:
"I did it because I had a grudge against him. He deserved it. He was the real culprit. He wanted to crush the spirit of my people, so I have crushed him. For full 21 years, I have been trying to wreak vengeance. I am happy that I have done the job. I am not scared of death. I am dying for my country. I have seen my people starving in India under the British rule. I have protested against this, it was my duty. What a greater honour could be bestowed on me than death for the sake of my motherland?"

These were the words of a Hero, One who conscientiously avenged for the pride and spirit of his people, did not hold a grudge against the british commoners or any other officers who were following orders, and then stood his trial to die a proud man. And that is a stark difference between heroes and terrorists.

You ask what is terrorism, the classical defination might be fear and intimidation for political goals, but this is not just fear and intimidation, this literally is subversion and cowardice, taking advantage of one's generosity to attack behind the soft spots. these are no warriors avenging anything, these are just scums, pure scums.

tragedy is that people who had no say or role in redrawing middle eastern map by removing secular governments are now paying with their lives.

the liar Tony Blair is still unrepentant and has the audacity to say that if he gets the chance he will attack Iraq on any flimsy proof like he did before. he and his buddies remain unaffected physically and financially.
people like you and me not only continue to bash each other but also individually suffer emotionally and sometimes physically as well through the policies of these western rascals whose blood lust and propensity for violence sees no limits

recall how eager they were to bomb Iran and were not very keen in appreciating Obama regarding his peace deal with Iran

during the second gulf war as coalition forces started bombing Baghdad.. .. the scifi style footage being shown almost live on all main stream western channels almost became a hit like a reality show where people in the west will have their drinks and exclaim with joy and wonder as the green screens will show missiles and bombs reducing a beautiful city turning into smoke and rubble. I recall in one such videos on ground an Iraqi mother holding the remains of her sons Corpse crying and cursing those that killed her son to suffer the same fate... so yea the Karma took its time but has reached the western shores ... but.. it yet has to find its way to those who ... together with their Arab allies fabricated this new mutated form of Al Qaeda to down Iraq,, Libya, Syria and potentially Iran ..

 

[punit]

So is the equation innocent blood demands the revenge of innocent blood.
Yes there has been atrocities by the west, there has been exploitation, so the revenge must be some form of atrocities and exploitation? Is that the new equation, because an Airstrike created collateral damage the natural outcome of it must be people who had nothing to do with the airstrike being mowed down?

Let's recall another set of atrocities and exploitation, remember Jalianwala baag, and General Michael O'Dwyer who mowed down more than 1000 people brutally ... In response Late Uddham Singh did not go to London and start butchering random people, he could have, by what you have stated, his response would be the natural outcome, but he assassinated General Michael O'Dwyer.

His last words were:
"I did it because I had a grudge against him. He deserved it. He was the real culprit. He wanted to crush the spirit of my people, so I have crushed him. For full 21 years, I have been trying to wreak vengeance. I am happy that I have done the job. I am not scared of death. I am dying for my country. I have seen my people starving in India under the British rule. I have protested against this, it was my duty. What a greater honour could be bestowed on me than death for the sake of my motherland?"

These were the words of a Hero, One who conscientiously avenged for the pride and spirit of his people, did not hold a grudge against the british commoners or any other officers who were following orders, and then stood his trial to die a proud man. And that is a stark difference between heroes and terrorists.

You ask what is terrorism, the classical defination might be fear and intimidation for political goals, but this is not just fear and intimidation, this literally is subversion and cowardice of one's generosity to attack behind in the soft spots. these are no warriors avenging anything, these are just scums, pure scums.

dont you know .. some bleeding heart bleeds only when the blood of peaceful is spilled.. otherwise its always the fault of victim.

 

[illusion8]

I dont know what is the definition of a soft target. if you are implying over its large Muslim population then please read on my later posts.. this population has lived peacefully over a century( if not more ).. becoming part of France.
I dont know why this definition wont apply on say Saudi arabia .. (oh wait someone will say it has been attacked.. but sadly mostly its shia community).

beyond rhetoric and religious bashing of Islam... I see this problem with an alternative angle.. I see this is a planned chaos.. Daesh is directly and indirectly receiving support

As I said jihad has taken a new turn, I have been following this from 2011 and anticipated a worse case scenario for India (AQIS, started by zawahiri ) though thankfully jihad hasn't really flourished in India like how the other coordinated cells of jihadi groups have, I did not anticipate that the west would be in the worst throes of jihad like how it is now. It's JMB in Bangladesh now - a new unknown entity suddenly pulls off a daring jihad attack.

Zawahiri has lamented multiple times why the Indian Muslims haven't joined jihad in large numbers and has pleaded to them on multiple occasions.


I agree that it's controlled chaos, but created by Zawahiri who planned this all too well after the demise of OBL.

Muslims in France must have lived peacefully in the past, but newer generations and the later immigrants are fresh recruitment pools. The whole of Europe is a soft target.