France in Talks with Malaysia for Rafales

[he-man]

You must live by the saying, "Watashi wa akiramenai"

Because you just don't give up.

I am a top grade noob.....a polite one though.

Btw fujitsu is a japanese company,a thanks or positive rating would do

 

[Aepsilons]

I am a top grade noob.....a polite one though.

Btw fujitsu is a japanese company,a thanks or positive rating would do

Alright, alright, i hear you.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

PS. Alibaba's greatest investor is Japan's PeopleSOFT, for example.

Err... Softbank. Ironically, founded by a Zainichi Korean. (Peoplesoft was a CRM company that Oracle acquired a decade ago).

What is the prospect of Japan exporting defense equipment to Malaysia?

 

[SR-91]

They're charging the Indians Government $20 Billion for 126 units of Rafales. That's a cost of $158 million (US Dollars) per plane. That's ridiculous and absolutely high way robbery.

Comparatively,

The US F-35IIAs costs $100 million per plane.

China's Chengdu J-10 costs $30 million per plane.

Sweden's JAS 39 Gripen costs $68 million per plane.

Correction
French Dassault CEO, in an recent interview said the deal with Indians is about 15 billion.
link..

India-Rafale Deal Could Be Concluded By March 2015, Says Dassault CEO

 

[waja2000]

US should sell f16 to Malaysia.

No, malaysia prefer twin engine jet due to geographic location, need cross sea from/to west and east malaysia. twin engine more safety.

 

[waja2000]

Does Malaysian's know this?
If not please send it to its ministry.

Malaysia AF chief said before, Malaysia need 6 squadron of Jet fighter, 3 for West for 3 for East Malaysia. due to budget and logistic issue. now only 3 squadron, no squadron in East malaysia.

1) Su-30MKM squadron in Gong kedah AB
2) Mig-29 squadron in Kuantan AB
3) F18+Hawk in Butterworth Penang AB
All in West Malaysia.
In 2014 budget announcement, Hawk light attack jet will move to Labuan AB in East malaysia.

 

[waja2000]

3
also rooting for the Super Hornet. It would be amazing if Malyasia was the first to pick the Advance Super Hornet

60 to 80mil a pop
AIM-120 C-7 and even AIM-120D
AIM-9X block II/III in the future
JDAM,Paveway, and small diameter bomb
SLAM-ER
weapons should cost significantly cheaper than the European counterpart

US already propose F/A18 Advance Super Hornet to Malaysia Airforce.
i hear propose fly away cost only is close to 80 million. Rafale is few million more.
anyway F18 not the issue, Malaysia AF is like F/A-18 due to reliability and support, but issue on how much US control on Jet system (limit) and Weapon, quantity of weapon.

 

[Donatello]

The APG-77 is still one of the best radars out there that may be only beaten by the F-35's APG-81. However, the range and sensor ability of the APG-77 may still end up outperforming the APG-81. The Lack of IRST may be there but not without good reason... at the time when the Raptor was finalized.. the performance of IRST sensors(at the time) was still not impressive to the USAF.
FYI.. The F-22 continues to have space for a IRST to be installed later if needed at any of the MLDs.

Would be safe to assume that since it is the F-22 that is the premier fighter, APG 77 will see upgrades soon enough, akin to APG66 ---> APG68 on f-16s

 

[Jungibaaz]

They're charging the Indians Government $20 Billion for 126 units of Rafales. That's a cost of $158 million (US Dollars) per plane. That's ridiculous and absolutely high way robbery.

Comparatively,

The US F-35IIAs costs $100 million per plane.

China's Chengdu J-10 costs $30 million per plane.

Sweden's JAS 39 Gripen costs $68 million per plane.

It's a wise investment, so to speak. You listed flyaway costs there. That's the barebones aircraft.
We brought our F-16's, 18 new Block 52+ F-16C/D for $80+ million a piece. That's, a whole lot more than the flyaway cost.

But that cost includes, radars, ECM components, jammers, targeting pods, conformal fuel tanks, an array of A2A and A2G weaponry, JHMCS (HMD), Link 16 system and many other hidden costs and components. That's without counting the maintenance infrastructure set up and training costs.

Flyaway costs aren't a reliable measure for when you consider HUGE deals like this and you're talking about an entire fleet + added extras and infrastructure. With the Indians, there's also the cost of ToT and local production. And as they corrected me in the past on this, apparently, it isn't worth 20 bill (yet).

 

[Carlosa]

The most recently contracted unit costs for Low Rate Initial Production lot 7 :

• F-35A: $98 million
• F-35B: $104 million
• F-35C: $116 million

An F-35A purchased in 2018 and delivered in 2020 will be $85 million, which is the equivalent of $75 million in today’s dollars.

About: Fast Facts: Cost | F-35 Lightning II

Those numbers are not complete, you forgot to mention that those numbers don't include the engine cost ($20 million) as stated in the page in your link. Those numbers are what US pays to Lockheed Martin. The engine gets paid to Pratt & Whitney. Those numbers also don't include the development cost since its already paid (46 billion).

The complete number is far higher than 100 million (fly away cost only). If a foreign country buys the plane, they have to pay their share of the development cost, that's why all those foreign contracts are always sky high.

 

[mike2000]

They're charging the Indians Government $20 Billion for 126 units of Rafales. That's a cost of $158 million (US Dollars) per plane. That's ridiculous and absolutely high way robbery.

Comparatively,

The US F-35IIAs costs $100 million per plane.

China's Chengdu J-10 costs $30 million per plane.

Sweden's JAS 39 Gripen costs $68 million per plane.

lool ahahahahah................. ma belle France. But india has no choice, do they? they are scared of getting involved/too dependent on the U.S so wont go for F-35. As for chinas J-10, of course they cant go for that, for obvious reasons. As for Sweden(which i think might have been a better deal since they offered more TOT and cheaper deal) they didnt go for it due to they India wanting a larger share in the JV/production more than sweden wanted/could offer. So they were left with Rafale, though i know they might have been back deals involved as well, but we cant blame them that much, it usually the case with such military sales/deals.