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France, Germany vie to sell Pakistan subs

^^ If we get a package deal from the Germans which includes Submarines and Leopard Tanks, then we should go with the Germans.

320 Leopard Tanks could really augment our Tank Forces in which they would form the tip of the spear of our Tank offensives.

I really don't see much of a difference between German and French subs. Technologically, they are equal, but we do have to consider, who has been a better friend to Pakistan and who can we rely on more in the future, France or Germany?
 
internal news is that..there will be no subs for pakistan....although....if there are no socialist..it s a possibility....but there are few others factors....:(...............but french wud sell ...but those toys are inferior to germans
 
^^ If we get a package deal from the Germans which includes Submarines and Leopard Tanks, then we should go with the Germans.

320 Leopard Tanks could really augment our Tank Forces in which they would form the tip of the spear of our Tank offensives.
no need for a foreign tank!
with AlKhalid fully operational and AlKhalid II on cards, we are doing very fine in this department. i do not think it will be wise to spend our hard earned dollars (from IMF of course :lol:) on such luxiries.
most of the people do think that we need something imported to cunter the T90 but let me assure you that our indegenious tank fleet is more then a match for them, you can take me as an inside source of these projects ;)!

regards!
 
Why Pakistan went to Paris for submarine deal?

PML-Q Senator Sardar Mohammad Jamal Khan Leghari in a surprising revelation shocked the members of the Senate on July 30 by a claim that President Zardari had refused to approve the deal for purchase of German submarines and the file submitted to the Presidency recently had been rejected. He added that a team of Pakistani Naval officials had been receiving training on manning of sophisticated submarine in Germany for one and a half year.The Senator also claimed that the rejection of German submarine was aimed at paving the way for the purchase of French submarines and the one billion dollars were behind the latest defence deal with France.He elaborated that Pakistan already possessed the French submarine technology and needed diversified technology. He demanded that Pakistan Naval Chief should give an in-camera briefing to the legislators to clarify the position.The Senator’s criticism followed a report that Islamabad was tilting towards France rather than Germany which with much struggle had recently cleared the way for export of three submarines to Pakistan.According to defence experts, for Germany it was an economically promising but politically risky deal but despite backdoor work by Indian lobby the Germans had agreed to sell three U-214 submarines built by German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems to Pakistan for an estimated $2 billion.Defence experts told Pakistan Observer that Germany was ready and was awaiting a formal order from the Ministry of Defence.
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A German team of Naval experts had visited Karachi to discuss technicalities and a Pakistan Naval team also visited Germany to make final inspection. According to reports the German government had even agreed to grant federal export credit guarantees worth nearly $1.4 billion.Sources confirm that as the deal was proceeding and 95% ready, President Asif Ali Zardari overruled his military’s preference for the German subs to take up a “better offer” from France. The change of heart was noted when President Zardari visited Paris in May and has long meeting with French President.To the surprise of many Pakistanis on the eve of President Zardari’s visit a French judge accused some “powerful Pakistanis” of having something to do with the murder of 11 French engineers in Karachi in May 2002 as a retaliation for the decision of France’s new government to cease bribe payments from the 1995 deal.Coincidentally, in 1995 too, the Pakistan People’s Party was in power when the government bought three French Agosta 90-B submarines. President Zardari was then Minister for Investment in the PPP Government while now French President Nicolas Sarkozy was a key aide to then French President Edouard Balladur. The two developed a close relationship since then.President Zardari’s decision to turn to Paris for the deal also coincided with reports that PPP Government had decided to appoint a civil servant from the District Management Group as the Ambassador of Pakistan to France. The most unusual appointment was resented by the veteran and serving diplomats at home abroad and Prime Minister had to intervene and cancel the appointment of Mohammed Jehanzeb Khan.
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Opposition members here claim that the delay in the issuing of the order for the German submarines that were almost finalized in December 2008 had “something to do with President Zardari’s meeting with President Sarkozy of France in May 2009? “ They also claim that the appointment of a junior civil servant as the envoy to Paris may also be related to this decision.Defence observers say that the Government managed to silence opposition to French deal by claiming that Paris had agreed to sign a peaceful nuclear cooperation deal while Germans were reluctant to deliver such an accord. Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had claimed during President Zardari’s visit to Paris that France had agreed to extend cooperation in nuclear technology but French officials clarified that the cooperation would be limited to the safety and security of the nuclear plants.On July 2nd when French Admiral Edouard Guillaud, Advisor to President Sarkozy visited Pakistan he met with President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.Admiral Guillaud’s visit to Pakistan was considered as part of efforts aimed at further boosting the Pak-French relations in the wake of Zardari-Sarkozy meetings in May this year.PM proposed that the governments of Pakistan and France should chalk out a roadmap for pragmatic cooperation in the field of civil nuclear energy but there was no firm response from French side.
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Admiral Guillaud however, assured the prime minister that France would provide military equipment including Tiger Helicopters to Pakistan.Again on July 23 on the occasion of a visist by French Secretary of State for Foreign Trade, Anne Marie Idrac, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani hoped that Pakistan would sign framework agreements with France on defence, security and energy this year and said that Pakistan wanted a long-term strategic partnership with France.Ms Idrac promised her country’s continued support to Pakistan in its efforts to overcome economic difficulties and win the war against terror. She said she would hold detailed discussions on economic and energy agreements. Ms Idrac made it clear that a proposed partnership between Pakistan and France on civilian nuclear energy would be limited to nuclear safety and security.What we propose is something very important, which is the possibility for technical people to discuss very precisely what can be done in terms of safety and security for the existing civil nuclear plants,’ she had clarified.

Posted by ASIAN DEFENCE
 
German tank is the best one as well as their SSK .There will be no harm in having these tanks .We should pray that the deal is not terminated
 
Why do we have to go for a package with any country. in my humble opinion, we can buy the german sub, as it is better than anything the french can offer, and take apick of the french offer with whatever they want. I am aware of a few goodies that are under consideration. In the current climate both the french and the germans are pretty keen to sell their produce.
As far as the sub goes, we dont have anything that the french are offerring that comes close to the U214. Marlin is a paper sub and if one considers what problems the germans faced with U214 sold to the Greeks, it would be a good idea to avaoid something that the french have not even produced.
Araz
 
lol i have been proven wrong

Well you may still be right because German approval is only one part of the equation ... taali do hath sey bajti hai

I only hope that Gen. Kiyani and Naval chief will be able to 'persue' Zardari.
 
friends, this is a good news indeed but still we have zardari as our president. may be we should be more concern about him than germans.

regards

what is this uneducated fool going to do other then pull his hair as he see Pakistan getting their desire submarine the type-214! remeber just few weeks ago pakistan government has ruled out the possibility that they are opting for French submarine and totally behind navy's program.
 
ok i don't understand which FRENCH SUBMARINE CAN be offered to us...we already got the AGOSTA...and our enemy got the scorpene!! so i guess unless we want the same sub as our neighbours their isn't much that France has to offer!!!

i guess it will be insane to go for any french sub...!!!!
 

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