Four India-designed 700 MW reactors being built at brisk pace

[Hold up]

that is the opinion of people with no heritage.

tamil is the oldest living language in South asia.

development, job and economy and more important than culture. plus tamil nadu is exempt from compulsory hindi learning. i don't see where's the problem

 

[Surya 1]

These power plants are cheapest in the world also. Now we can supply cheapest Nuclear power plant per MW to any country .

 

[chandrak]

Look. If India is a democracy allow a vote in TN to determine if Tamil Nadu want to be free. It is called plebiscite. canada held one in Quebec. People wanted to be part of Canada by 51%. Czekoslavokia held one. Slovaks decided to be free and becanme a separate country.

I dare Indua to hold a plebiscite in Tamill Nadu

Ok so majority of indian people want to abolish tax system, majority want to not allow gov to take their lands (for industry,schools, hospitals)..and their are many cases where majority of people want many things..for example come to the north india..north indian farmers are not allowed to sale their food products at their will..they have to sell it at very low price so that other poorers in the country in india can have meal of 2 times...so what if they decide they will not sell foods on gov will...and you say what is more important food or gold?? The point is problems are everywhere but plebicite is not the solution..Else u say how will u decide how to solve above 3 problems..??
Also let us suppose india made tamilnadu free and then start using army ,force to bully whom will suffer? U ,politicians or the locals??

 

[kvpak]

democracy means people decide. If majority in your state vote farmers should not be forced to ell at low price, that should be the law.

Do you have majority in your state

 

[Tiger Awan]

These power plants are cheapest in the world also. Now we can supply cheapest Nuclear power plant per MW to any country .

can you plz provide some links to your claim ??

 

[Hindustani78]

can you plz provide some links to your claim ??

If the equipment is produced domestically then ofcourse its cheaper .

You need sources for even simple things.

 

[Tiger Awan]

If the equipment is produced domestically then ofcourse its cheaper .

You need sources for even simple things.

You said you can supply cheapest energy to ANY COUNTRY.

 

[Hindustani78]

You said you can supply cheapest energy to ANY COUNTRY.

The talk is about Republic of India and then Indian Establishment decide by keeping the ground reality to have what type of relations with any nation. Be it Space sector, Nuclear Sector, defense sector and even trade .

 

[Tiger Awan]

The talk is about Republic of India and then Indian Establishment decide by keeping the ground reality to have what type of relations with any nation. Be it Space sector, Nuclear Sector, defense sector and even trade .

You said India can now provide cheapest Nuclear power and logic you gave was that the plant will be manufactured locally hence cheap

so you think other countries make Nuclear Plants in space ??

 

[Hindustani78]

You said India can now provide cheapest Nuclear power and logic you gave was that the plant will be manufactured locally hence cheap

so you think other countries make Nuclear Plants in space ??

Republic of India is already providing electricity to some of the neighboring countries with whom we are having good relations.

There are certain countries including Republic of India who can produce Nuclear power in space ( Moon and Mars )

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/592111/arai-isro-team-up-using.html
A Lithium Ion Battery indigenously developed by Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) for space applications was successfully put to use in an electric two-wheeler by the Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI) here.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

democracy means people decide. If majority in your state vote farmers should not be forced to ell at low price, that should be the law.

Do you have majority in your state

Majority of protest is yet to see a anti-india slogan. So yu shut the hell here. Imititating Seeman's nutjob is not going to work here. Tamilians themselves will vote against it if such an situation arises.

After Jallikattu problem is fulfilled I might try to find u guys in deepest hole in TN as u guys might not even have work or respected

 

[Hindustani78]

Majority of protest is yet to see a anti-india slogan. So yu shut the hell here. Imititating Seeman's nutjob is not going to work here. Tamilians themselves will vote against it if such an situation arises.

After Jallikattu problem is fulfilled I might try to find u guys in deepest hole in TN as u guys might not even have work or respected

These protests are mainly to get good price from central Government for acquiring lands and when its comes for the nuclear safety then Indian Nuclear plants are having excellent safety track records.

 

[Nilgiri]

Was wondering why this thread was so long in length...and its a troll....no surprise.

 

[Surya 1]

can you plz provide some links to your claim ??

Yes I will provide.

 

[Hindustani78]

In a way the diplomatic noose that had been tightened around India's neck to buy super expensive French and American nuclear reactors has on its own been loosened if not shed at all. As part of the protracted global negotiations on admitting India back into the nuclear commerce club, a kind of barter deal had happened and India had committed itself to buy French and American reactors, but now that the commercial operations of at least two of the foreign giants is floundering, India need not back down from its commercial commitments. File photo


http://www.deccanherald.com/content/605499/global-nuclear-giants-go-bust.html


The global nuclear industry is going through a virtual meltdown on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. This is happening even as India is investing heavily in nuclear energy. This collapse of atomic giants offers New Delhi a new opportunity and many in the Indian atomic establishment are silently celebrating this premature death of suitors who were wooing to put tens of atomic plants in India estimated to cost at least USD 150 billion.

"This atomic meltdown is a blessing in disguise" was how a top government official described the unfolding scenario. In addition, in these changed circumstances, if the Indian private industry plays its cards right, it could also provide an opportunity to the country to become a hub for low cost suppliers of nuclear technology. A little far-fetched but who knows how energy games get played in the future.

In a way the diplomatic noose that had been tightened around India's neck to buy super expensive French and American nuclear reactors has on its own been loosened if not shed at all. As part of the protracted global negotiations on admitting India back into the nuclear commerce club, a kind of barter deal had happened and India had committed itself to buy French and American reactors, but now that the commercial operations of at least two of the foreign giants is floundering, India need not back down from its commercial commitments.

India can retain the moral high ground of wanting to buy the French and American reactors but since the companies themselves are in trouble no deals can be inked. India can once again hope to forge its own nuclear path free of shackles of forced imports of untested technologies.

The American atomic giant Westinghouse Electric Company, LLC filed for 'bankruptcy' a week ago, last year the French nuclear giant Areva went through a similar process. Both these companies had shown aggressive interest in setting up atomic power plants soon after the Indo-US civilian nuclear deal was inked. Both wanted a large chunk of the nuclear commerce worth billions of dollars that India was holding out as a promise once New Delhi was extricated from the atomic dog-house as a consequence of the landmark Indo-US civilian nuclear deal.

All along as negotiations were going on around the Indo-US civilian nuclear deal, there was a small but influential group in the Indian nuclear establishment that was most uncomfortable at importing so many different types of reactors.

This group felt that since India had mastered the making of Pressurised Heavy Water Reactors (PHWR's) the effort should ideally be to multiple this technology while alongside India's futuristic reactors the Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor which uses plutonium as its main fuel and the Advanced Heavy Water Reactor that uses thorium as its main fuel could be promoted.

Jairam Ramesh, the engineer-turned-influential politician in the United Progressive Alliance government, was an early opponent of importing so many different types of reactors. Towards mastering the PHWR, India on its own first enhanced the capacity of these reactors from 220 MW to 540 MW by constructing two of them at Tarapur in Maharashtra and then the same reactor has been modified to enhance the capacity to 700 MW with four units already under construction at Kakrapar and Rawatbhatta.

Among imported reactors India successfully started commercial operation of two 1000 MW units at Kudankulam in Tamil Nadu these are made with Russian help. In the Indian nuclear establishment some felt the Russian reactors and the Indian three stage program was more than enough to ensure long term energy security for the country.

Mastering several different technologies is a complex task and there was a lot of consternation among several senior scientists that if the entire Indo-US civilian nuclear deal were to be implemented then at least three new reactor types would have to mastered.

These included Areva proposing to put six atomic plants each of 1650 MW capacity at Jaitapur in Maharashtra. Westinghouse was wanting to sell at least 6 reactors of 1200 MW each to be put up at Kovadda in Andhra Pradesh -- these were initially proposed to be put up at Mithivirdi in Gujarat but land acquisition issues forced Westinghouse to opt for a different site.

General Electric was proposing to put a mega nuclear park as well. Each of these three different reactors are very different from each other and an entirely new set of people would have to be trained to safely operate these.

Typically each new reactor operates for 60 years and then it takes another couple of decades to safely decommission them hence the investment of human resources is a commitment of at least a century.

With Westinghouse filing for bankruptcy it is highly unlikely that India would order any reactors from them anytime soon. The idea was to order in one go 6 nuclear plants that would be delivered on a 'turnkey' basis. Now that Westinghouse itself says it can only supply the technology for the nuclear island and does not want to undertake any construction activity.

Despite the fact India has already committed to pay Rs 100 crore to Westinghouse while ordering the AP 1000 reactors. These orders may obviously go into cold storage till Westinghouse and Toshiba its parent company in Japan iron out their differences. Westinghouse denies that the India project is derailed but experts say expect delays galore.

Similarly, Areva the French giant that owned all the nuclear technology for the EPR 1650 MW reactor having been almost dissolved and the affairs taken over by 'Electricite de France' or EDF the French electricity utility, these reactors for which quite a bit of ground work was already done at Jaitapur has also been cold shouldered since no buyer government would want to get involved when a messy fight is ongoing in the French public sector companies on ownership of the atomic plants.

On its own General Electric has been dragging its feet on bidding for reactors in India since its lawyers felt India's nuclear liability law was more 'people friendly' as opposed to the usual global nuclear liability law that is 'industry friendly'.

In this scenario India is left with no other option but to multiply its indigenous fleet of 700 MW PHWR's and simultaneously expand its collaboration with Russia to buy at least 20 more Russian plants similar in nature but probably more advanced than the reactors operating at Kudankulam.

After India was admitted into the nuclear fold to allow global nuclear commerce all restrictions at importing uranium have already gone and if India seeks to multiply manifold its own home grown reactors that should not be difficult. In addition since the co-operation with Russia is blossoming more light water reactors could well be ordered from Russia.

This sudden change in the wind direction with American and French nuclear companies all doddering has in way brought India back to where it was in 2004 before US President George Bush decided to shake hands and be friends with India in the nuclear power sector.

At that point India had its PHWR's and the Russian tech but what the country lacked was an assured supply of uranium fuel. India does not have sufficient native resources of uranium and if the nuclear program has to expand then importing uranium was the only option.

Today the supply of imported uranium fuel is well guaranteed under global law thanks to the atomic embrace but this melt down of nuclear giants has tilted the balance in India's favour.

Now without ever having to officially deny buying expensive French and American reactors, New Delhi can opt to expand its existing fleet of atomic plants on its own terms. This 'meltdown' is making the Indian nuclear establishment smile all the way.