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Four Britons plotted to bomb British army base using toy car.

You guys are very quick to disown people who embarrass you.. I never saw anyone disowning the oscar winner chinoy due to her canadian citizenship :)
Doesn't Chinoy have dual Pakistan-Canadian citizenship and did she not spend her formative years in Pakistan?
 
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Doesn't Chinoy have dual Pakistan-Canadian citizenship and did she not spend her formative years in Pakistan?

Yes, but that doesn't matter to others, what is important the blame be pinned on Pakistan via background/origin of these four Britons.
 
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These people consider themselves 'Muslims' first before affiliating to any other country. If they are doing things in the name of 'jihad' then religion here definitely plays a role.
... Nothing to do with Pakistan
 
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Doesn't Chinoy have dual Pakistan-Canadian citizenship and did she not spend her formative years in Pakistan?

She does.. And I dont mind feeling proud of people who are originally from my country even after they migrate to another country.. But then the same should apply for their failings too..
 
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One can't blame the Bhartis for their brain storm for this is how TOI spinned the story...
Four Pakistanis plotted to bomb British army base using toy car'

And how the British media reported it......Now why does the term Drama queens comes to mind.
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Four British terror suspects 'plotted to use little toy car to attack Territorial Army base in Luton'

Read more: Luton terrorist plot: 4 British suspects 'plotted to use little toy car to attack Territorial Army base' | Mail Online
 
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Do we know for certain whether these 4 accused individuals were born in Pakistan and spent their formative years in Pakistan?

Dunno why u deleted my post , but even the tag 4 Pakistanis is wrong. One guy is from BD.

Men appear in court charged with plotting to attack Territorial Army with model car

Four men from Luton have appeared in court accused of plotting a terrorist attack on a Territorial Army base by driving a remote controlled car with a bomb under the gate.


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Zahid Iqbal, 30, Mohammed Sharfaraz Ahmed, 24, Syed Hussain, 21, and Umar Arshad, 23, are accused of preparing acts of terrorism and possessing documents useful for terrorism.

The men are charged with discussing methods, materials and targets for a terrorist attack using firearms and improvised explosive devices between January 2011 and their arrest on April 25.

They allegedly researched, downloaded and discussed electronic files containing practical instructions for a terrorist attack.
The men are also charged with “encouraging and participating in physical training” in Snowdonia, purchasing survival equipment, and facilitating and planning travel to Pakistan for terrorism.

They also allegedly collected and supplied funds for terrorist purposes overseas, amounting to more than £180,000 and miniature gold bars worth £10,000.

The men had allegedly downloaded six issues of the al-Qaeda magazine Inspire which included the recipe, “How to Make a bomb in the kitchen of your Mom” by the al-Qaeda Chef, described as “practical instructions on how to make a viable improvised explosive device.”
Other documents found in their possession included 44 Ways to Support Jihad by the former al-Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, while two of them had a document called 21 Techniques of Silent Killing and a third man had a copy of the Explosives Course 2.
Outlining the charges at the request of District Judge Daphne Wickham, Piers Arnold, prosecuting, said two of the men were heard discussing attacking a Territorial Army base and a number of unspecified targets in bugged conversations recorded in their cars.
On April 22, Iqbal and Ahmed allegedly discussed building the bomb described in Inspire and referred to a clock, timer, and remote control.
One man said he had driven past a Territorial Army centre and noticed a gap big enough to drive a model car under.

Westminster Magistrates Court was told that the men planned to travel to the Waziristan area of Pakistan close to the border with Afghanistan, in order to link up with al-Qaeda and carry out attacks on Western forces.

He said they undertook training in Snowdonia on the basis that it was particularly mountainous and as similar to Afghanistan as they could find.

They also allegedly collected and sent money to Pakistan and purchased survival equipment and firearms.

All four men are British citizens. Three are of Pakistani origin and the remaining, Ahmed, of Bangladeshi origin.

The “ring leader” was “probably” instructed by al-Qaeda in Pakistan while his “second in command”, whose role was allegedly to recruit members of the cell and then send them abroad for training, travelled to Pakistan in March last year to take part in terrorist activity.

A third man was said to be the “quartermaster” who collected supplies and finance. The court was told that £180,000 had passed through his account in two years and police found 10 gold bars, each the size of an After Eight mint, worth a total of £10,000, along with a credit card “skimming” machine to copy pin numbers and an encrypted USB computer stick.

The fourth member of the group was said to have offered practical advice on how to prepare for travelling to Pakistan, what to wear and how to fit in. He allegedly had an ID card that allowed him to travel around the country without a visa.

All four men spoke only to confirm their names. None applied for bail and they were remanded un custody to appear at the Old Bailey on May 11.

Men appear in court charged with plotting to attack Territorial Army with model car - Telegraph

Cant believe they traveled to snowdonia for training..

Those mountains in north wales are the best place i have seen in my life time along with the bracon valleys in mid wales where these cambrian patrol thing goes every year.
 
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But still dont you think these guies bring a bad name for Pakistan ???
And what you say is truth then imagin how will UK behave to Pak origin people after that. Public opinion will also play major role in that. It will be hard time for people specially students from Pakistan going to UK for business or study. It will definately not help the other people in UK who already have citizenship

It's like forcibly being tagged to Pakistan. These guys quit Pakistan accepted UK nationality. Affiliation with Pakistan remains familial and personal from that point on, not national. Moreover the issue of name spoiling is secondary, they are harmful to Pakistan. Their radicalization is happening in the UK, they have money as they earn in Pounds, bring that money to Pakistan and give it to our own radicals. Their money is spent on terrorism in Pakistan.

UK must crackdown on just one thing, the organization that calls itself HuT. Rest of British Pakistani are fine and should not be harassed for the actions of a group the British are allowing to fester and grow. They aren't totally militant yet, but that's mostly because of a lack of opportunity. Their money however flows to the violent militants in Pakistan.
 
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These people are British but still give a bad name to Pakistan. The funny thing is that if they had to choose between living in England or Pakistan, they'd choose England any day thanks to the cosy lifestyle and easy money.

These radical Pan-Islamists should ideally receive the death penalty but lucky for them there is no such thing here.
 
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But still dont you think these guies bring a bad name for Pakistan ???
And what you say is truth then imagin how will UK behave to Pak origin people after that. Public opinion will also play major role in that. It will be hard time for people specially students from Pakistan going to UK for business or study. It will definately not help the other people in UK who already have citizenship

Indians ke logic pe yaan tu banda hansta hey yaan rota hey

When British born Indian doing anything "oh he is individual and NOT Indian... he belongs to Indian Family BUT 1st he is British National and also Individual not representing whole Nation"

When British born Pakistani doing anything "oh he is belongs to TERRORIST country.. he is PAKISTANI ... 1st he is PAKISTANI thn TERRORIST and representing Pakistan and Terrorist nation bla blaa non-sense bullshits!"

banda tumko LITAR he maray!
 
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They are not Pak nationals they UK citizens and probably by birth since they were youngish kids. This organization they belong to, HuT, Pakistan has been crying foul about them for so long and urging the UK to close down their cells. They operate like a club in the UK! Imagine that, open terrorism clubs.

it's too bad, actually, that Britishers remained deaf dumb and mute about this issue.....as for these guys - well they'll try to pull the Pakistan blame game number but fact of the matter is, they are British born - have British passports and probably dont speak a lick of Urdu or any other Pakistani language or have any connection to Pakistan (except through their parents or grandparents).

furthermore, the NATO occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq (which UK aligned itself with) is likely the cause for their radicalization. It's better they try to target army bases rather than be cowards and attack innocent civilians. It's a more legit target, but still - it's wrong and puts them and their families (who are probably non-political and hard-working) in a bad light.


in this day and age, there are peaceful and legal means to channel ones frustrations and political sentiments.....more productive means.
 
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it's too bad, actually, that Britishers remained deaf dumb and mute about this issue.....as for these guys - well they'll try to pull the Pakistan blame game number but fact of the matter is, they are British born - have British passports and probably dont speak a lick of Urdu or any other Pakistani language or have any connection to Pakistan (except through their parents or grandparents).

furthermore, the NATO occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq (which UK aligned itself with) is likely the cause for their radicalization. It's better they try to target army bases rather than be cowards and attack innocent civilians. It's a more legit target, but still - it's wrong and puts them and their families (who are probably non-political and hard-working) in a bad light.


in this day and age, there are peaceful and legal means to channel ones frustrations and political sentiments.....more productive means.

Correct. Violence will never bring the change it will bring more violence
 
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