Formula to kick out all Afghans out of Pakistan...

[Indus Pakistan]

Aoa

I like how when the west blames all muslims for what a bunch of people do, or if the arabs get strict on our people, we get all excited about bigotry and islamophobia and racism and whatnot. A whole lot of our people live abroad and also help the economy through remittances.

Yet, when people from a war torn country, literally for decades, more than most of us can remember, stay in our country and some of them engage in what a whole lot of natives themselves engage in, we act like... well this.

The MQM killing squads, the PPP aman committee lot, the land grabbers from everywhere, the Sipah Sahaba, the corrupt public service, tge corrupt politicians, tge corrupt police, the corrupt mullahs, the corrupt liberal types... the corrupt clerks... just where do you even stop? And yet all of this and we see the only solution is xenophobia and hatred for Afgans.

The fact is we have done our share of messing up their country, whether with good reason or not, but they have suffered and there is some ill feelings that are carried. The situation isn't helped by pro india government and propaganda there.

However, they are not a lot compared to our population and they are not the cause of all or even most of our ills.

Blaming them for all our failings won't make Pakistan 'great again'. They, too, like most of us want a decent life themselves and their families without fear that comes with being in a war zone and displaced.

As for the idea that refugees should leave, sure, but is the war over now?

So, I think the lot of us sitting happy in our homes with our families should have show some sympathy. Especially as we either ourselves our expats or are relying on the remittances of expats to help our country's economy move forward.


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Fantastic post. May Allah bless you. You cut through the stench of hypocracy like a master ...

Not all Afghans hate Pakistan.

Agreed. Although I will be first to state that many do and amongst that many, some who harbour visceral hatred for Pakistan. I know this from real life and online. There are reasons for this but leave trhat for another day.

However the State of Afghanistan is an enemy

Without a shred of doubt. The problem is we have (NA) Northern Alliance [which hated pakistan going back to 1990s if not earlier] who are mostly Dari speaking Tajiks with a some Pashtuns etc dressed as Afghan government. NA merely overnight became 'Afghan' government after Taliban were kicked out of Kabul. a process that we helped to take place. Rarely do you get a country helping to instal it's enemies next door. And then people wonder why we have problems today.

Can you even contemplate United Kingdom helping China to place a pro Putin's Russia government in Dublin, Ireland? What we need to do is keep a nuanced approach. While people here are lambasting Afghans do they not realise that Taliban are still Pakistan's strategic allies that ISI continues to support despite US pressure. I think we need a very nuanced approach that supports our friends in Afghanistan and punishes those who are against us.

So as clever policy of divide and rule why not treat Afghan Pashtuns on differant level instead of lumping all as 'Afghans'? I would give all Afghan Pashtuns Pakistani citizenship but reject others and send them back. That would still be unfair to some as there are some nice Tajiks [I know some in UK] but this is all a game of realpolitiks and not about ummah chumma or other factors. This would also help to divide the Afghans and Pakistan should do everything to create dischord between the Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks, Uzbeks, Shia Hazara etc.

I reiterate all this is fault of Musharaf. Strategic sell outs are worse then even the corruption of Nawaz like he bought the Avenfield apartments because they reverbrate through decades and the cost in life/treasure is felt for decades. And we are harvesting that now.

 

[TMA]

Fantastic post. May Allah bless you. You cut through the stench of hypocracy like a master ...

Agreed. Although I will be first to state that many do and amongst that many, some who harbour visceral hatred for Pakistan. I know this from real life and online. There are reasons for this but leave trhat for another day.

Without a shred of doubt. The problem is we have (NA) Northern Alliance [which hated pakistan going back to 1990s if not earlier] who are mostly Dari speaking Tajiks with a some Pashtuns etc dressed as Afghan government. NA merely overnight became 'Afghan' government after Taliban were kicked out of Kabul. a process that we helped to take place. Rarely do you get a country helping to instal it's enemies next door. And then people wonder why we have problems today.

Can you even contemplate United Kingdom helping China to place a pro Putin's Russia government in Dublin, Ireland? What we need to do is keep a nuanced approach. While people here are lambasting Afghans do they not realise that Taliban are still Pakistan's strategic allies that ISI continues to support despite US pressure. I think we need a very nuanced approach that supports our friends in Afghanistan and punishes those who are against us.

So as clever policy of divide and rule why not treat Afghan Pashtuns on differant level instead of lumping all as 'Afghans'? I would give all Afghan Pashtuns Pakistani citizenship but reject others and send them back. That would still be unfair to some as there are some nice Tajiks [I know some in UK] but this is all a game of realpolitiks and not about ummah chumma or other factors. This would also help to divide the Afghans and Pakistan should do everything to create dischord between the Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks, Uzbeks, Shia Hazara etc.

I reiterate all this is fault of Musharaf. Strategic sell outs are worse then even the corruption of Nawaz like he bought the Avenfield apartments because they reverbrate through decades and the cost in life/treasure is felt for decades. And we are harvesting that now.

Even Afghan Pukhtoons do not accept Pakistan. The issue is not as simple as Afghan Pukhtoon - good for Pakistan, and Afghan Non Pukhtoon - bad for Pakistan. One thing that all factions of Afghans are united on - dislike of Pakistan

Refugees ought to be repatriated, even if they are not involved in crime or terrorism. Even if Afghanistan did accept Pakistan's borders.
Those who have acquired Pakistani papers illegally also ought to be repatriated.
Those who wish to stay, ought to prove loyalty.

Of course Pakistan ought to help those who are not against her...but in Afghanistan. And no, giving citizenship willy nilly without proof of loyalty is not sensible.

 

[hussain0216]

Kick all dirty afghans out

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Even Afghan Pukhtoons do not accept Pakistan. The issue is not as simple as Afghan Pukhtoon - good for Pakistan, and Afghan Non Pukhtoon - bad for Pakistan. One thing that all factions of Afghans are united on - dislike of Pakistan

There are grades of dislike. What was better for Pakistan? Pashtun Taliban ruling Kabul or morphed NA ruling Afghanistan today?

 

[TMA]

Aoa

I like how when the west blames all muslims for what a bunch of people do, or if the arabs get strict on our people, we get all excited about bigotry and islamophobia and racism and whatnot. A whole lot of our people live abroad and also help the economy through remittances.

Yet, when people from a war torn country, literally for decades, more than most of us can remember, stay in our country and some of them engage in what a whole lot of natives themselves engage in, we act like... well this.

The MQM killing squads, the PPP aman committee lot, the land grabbers from everywhere, the Sipah Sahaba, the corrupt public service, tge corrupt politicians, tge corrupt police, the corrupt mullahs, the corrupt liberal types... the corrupt clerks... just where do you even stop? And yet all of this and we see the only solution is xenophobia and hatred for Afgans.

The fact is we have done our share of messing up their country, whether with good reason or not, but they have suffered and there is some ill feelings that are carried. The situation isn't helped by pro india government and propaganda there.

However, they are not a lot compared to our population and they are not the cause of all or even most of our ills.

Blaming them for all our failings won't make Pakistan 'great again'. They, too, like most of us want a decent life themselves and their families without fear that comes with being in a war zone and displaced.

As for the idea that refugees should leave, sure, but is the war over now?

So, I think the lot of us sitting happy in our homes with our families should have show some sympathy. Especially as we either ourselves our expats or are relying on the remittances of expats to help our country's economy move forward.


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Yes we ought to have sympathy for the innocents who are suffering. No doubt.
But the best way is to help them return and rebuild their country.

The issue is not just terrorism.
It is more than this.
Firstly they are refugees. The idea is that they go back when war is over or when the host cannot manage.
Secondly they are from a state which does not accept Pakistan's borders. It is not sensible to keep people from such a state on their word....actions are needed..
Thirdly is the issue of crime and terrorism.

Pakistanis being treasonous and damaging their own country does not mean refugees from an anti-Pakistani state can stay on forever.

Also most Pakistani expats are not refugees or illegals (and if they are I will not complain if they are repatriated).

Loo there are grades of dislike. What was better for Pakistan? Pashtun Taliban ruling Kabul or morphed NA ruling Afghanistan today?

Yes but not all Pukhtoons in Afghanistan liked or supported Taliban. I have met many Afghan Pukhtoons in the UK who hate them.
Plus the issue is Afghan refugees living in Pakistan without proving loyalty...not who rules Kabul....

 

[Yankee-stani]

Fantastic post. May Allah bless you. You cut through the stench of hypocracy like a master ...

Agreed. Although I will be first to state that many do and amongst that many, some who harbour visceral hatred for Pakistan. I know this from real life and online. There are reasons for this but leave trhat for another day.

Without a shred of doubt. The problem is we have (NA) Northern Alliance [which hated pakistan going back to 1990s if not earlier] who are mostly Dari speaking Tajiks with a some Pashtuns etc dressed as Afghan government. NA merely overnight became 'Afghan' government after Taliban were kicked out of Kabul. a process that we helped to take place. Rarely do you get a country helping to instal it's enemies next door. And then people wonder why we have problems today.

You know what's funny Pakistan's best buddy Turkey was a big supporter of the NA and the goons that kicked the Taliban in 2001 and was supporting as early as 1992 when the last breath of the Communists and Najibullah fled Kabul,you see Pakistanis need to learn this we need push our own geo-strategic goals not other if we do share them with neighbors(eg.China) fine go with them.Now going back to Turkey their policy of Look East or Central Asia started in the late 1980s under Turgut Ozal who was the first leader in 1991 to visit those post-Soviet States and promised support 25 years later Turkey now has a footprint all over Central Asia, Chinese in the last 10-15 years as well

So as clever policy of divide and rule why not treat Afghan Pashtuns on differant level instead of lumping all as 'Afghans'? I would give all Afghan Pashtuns Pakistani citizenship but reject others and send them back. That would still be unfair to some as there are some nice Tajiks [I know some in UK] but this is all a game of realpolitiks and not about ummah chumma or other factors. This would also help to divide the Afghans and Pakistan should do everything to create dischord between the Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks, Uzbeks, Shia Hazara etc.

You see I know both you(@Indus Pakistan ) and me will probably be flamed by the PDF mullahs and so called we wishers of Afghanistan over the "balkanization of Afghanistan" but frankly I dont care what's use of a United Afghanistan when the country is a enemy of Pakistan while its citizens free load on its land cause havoc then leave bring crime to Iran,Turkey,Europe enough with this chumma chumma Afghan fake love.I say let the Hazaras have their own country the rest their own I mean its kind of happening as we speak, post Soviet Republics are using their kin to weaken the Kabul Govt and the Taliban has much of the countryside so why not support the balkanization of hostile Kabul Regime

There are grades of dislike. What was better for Pakistan? Pashtun Taliban ruling Kabul or morphed NA ruling Afghanistan today?

I say whoever is a useful idiot for us is good for us we need the Yanks out

I reiterate all this is fault of Musharaf. Strategic sell outs are worse then even the corruption of Nawaz like he bought the Avenfield apartments because they reverbrate through decades and the cost in life/treasure is felt for decades. And we are harvesting that now.

Well I guess that photo op with "Dubya" was worth costing Pakistan its space,I hope Mushy is regrets what he did I doubt it anyways he is joke these days good riddence he is gone

You know what's funny Pakistan's best buddy Turkey was a big supporter of the NA and the goons that kicked the Taliban in 2001 and was supporting as early as 1992 when the last breath of the Communists and Najibullah fled Kabul,you see Pakistanis need to learn this we need push our own geo-strategic goals not other if we do share them with neighbors(eg.China) fine go with them.Now going back to Turkey their policy of Look East or Central Asia started in the late 1980s under Turgut Ozal who was the first leader in 1991 to visit those post-Soviet States and promised support 25 years later Turkey now has a footprint all over Central Asia, Chinese in the last 10-15 years as well



You see I know both you(@Indus Pakistan ) and me will probably be flamed by the PDF mullahs and so called we wishers of Afghanistan over the "balkanization of Afghanistan" but frankly I dont care what's use of a United Afghanistan when the country is a enemy of Pakistan while its citizens free load on its land cause havoc then leave bring crime to Iran,Turkey,Europe enough with this chumma chumma Afghan fake love.I say let the Hazaras have their own country the rest their own I mean its kind of happening as we speak, post Soviet Republics are using their kin to weaken the Kabul Govt and the Taliban has much of the countryside so why not support the balkanization of hostile Kabul Regime



I say whoever is a useful idiot for us is good for us we need the Yanks out

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/28/...lliance-turks-train-13-guards-for-allies.html

https://jamestown.org/program/dostu...ey-and-remains-a-potent-force-in-afghanistan/

@Indus Pakistan

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You see I know both you(@Indus Pakistan ) and me will probably be flamed by the PDF mullahs and so called we wishers of Afghanistan over the "balkanization of Afghanistan" but frankly I dont care what's use of a United Afghanistan when the country is a enemy of Pakistan while its citizens free load on its land cause havoc then leave bring crime to Iran,Turkey,Europe enough with this chumma chumma Afghan fake love.I say let the Hazaras have their own country the rest their own I mean its kind of happening as we speak, post Soviet Republics are using their kin to weaken the Kabul Govt and the Taliban has much of the countryside so why not support the balkanization of hostile Kabul Regime

I find this hilarious. You guys are criticizing us for wanting to see illegal Afghans repatriated to Afghanistan and to see a stop to our overly generous visa policy, but promoting civil war and the breakup of Afghanistan as a nation.

The need of the hour is less interaction, less trade, less relations, and less people-to-people contact with Afghans for the foreseeable future. Let these generations die off and maybe afterwards we can go back to being allies and friends.

Some of us are talking Afghan Pukhtoon and Afghan Tajik/Hazara/Parsiwan/Shia. They are not that different actually. Yes, they have many internal divisions and hate each other’s guts but when it comes to Pakistan, they are all on the same page.

In KPK, Afghans are known as Namak Haram- untrustworthy, backstabbing, ungrateful. In Afghanistan, they abuse Pakistani Pukhtoons as Gul Khan- lackey, effeminate, fake Pukhtoon.

Durand Line is permanent. Let Afghan government sort out their issues with Taliban without us. We don’t need to be involved in their squabbles.

Last point is that there is no contradiction with our idea of Ummat e Musalman, because this concept implies religious and political unity. Anyone who is against Pakistan (the strongest military in the Muslim world) does not believe in the concept of Ummah.

Most of these are agents from Non-Muslim powers like US, India, Israel.

 

[CriticalThought]

Don't conflate issues.
Not all Afghans hate Pakistan. But they don't love Pakistan either.
However the State of Afghanistan is an enemy. This is fact. Is it sensible that Pakistan give people from this state free access to Pakistan?
Also they are refugees...the point of a refugee is to return one day....even if the State of Afghanistan was not enemy.

You are presenting a false dilemma.
Repatriation of refugees is not genocide especially if they are from an enemy state (even if they are not involved in terrorism). They are refugees. One can still dialogue as well. Of course exceptions can be made to those who prove loyalty to Pakistan. But I suspect this will be a tiny minority.

I don't like it when Pakistanis want Afghans to leave cos of terrorism, as this makes it that the only issue is post 9/11 war on terror. Even if there was no TTP, I would still urge repatriation as (1) they are refugees and (2) Afghanistan has territorial dispute with Pakistan since 1947. Now you can add terrorism to this as a third.

I am not conflating issues I was simply delineating different concerns raised by the poster.

You are bringing yet another angle to it. Should we allow people from an enemy state into our country? My position is due to many geographic, social, economical realities, we cannot afford to have Afghanistan as an enemy state. If this means toppling the government, let's do that. If this means dialogue, let's do that. Whatever it takes.

Once animosity is eliminated, the next step is economic cooperation. My position is that we need to bring the fruits of BRI to Afghanistan and share economic success with them.

Without removing animosity and improving their economic situation, we are leaving an existential crisis for next generation. Inter-twined in all of this is a feeling of being used and degraded amongst the common Afghan. This needs to be addressed. Fencing and repatriation will not solve this problem.

 

[Azadkashmir]

Add them to database with id picture and send some back like have quota.
Restrict them from taking over cities like a gang and open up stalls that just block the roads.
best to split them up and send diff areas.
Make them sign on paper to agree with policies and rules if they break it then send back over the border. They must carry id at all times.
They must be tested for diseases. Curfew they should stay inside at certain hours.
Every week they must attend signature office so government knows what they up to and where bouts. If miss signature then they get fine then send back.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Pakistan was made of the muslims of sub continent .. and not for Afghans

P = Punjab
A = Afghania
K = Kashmir
I = Indus
S = Sindh
TAN = Balochistan

Kashmir and Afghanistan are the regions that will one day be part of Pakistan.

 

[Canuck786]

P = Punjab
A = Afghania
K = Kashmir
I = Indus
S = Sindh
TAN = Balochistan

Kashmir and Afghanistan are the regions that will one day be part of Pakistan.

Seriously?

I thought it just meant Land of Pak (people)!

What does Stan mean in country names?

As a generally accepted explanation, the suffix "stan" is an ancient Persian and/or Farsi word meaning country, nation, land, or place of, so, the country name of Afghanistan would then mean "homeland" of the Afghans, or place of the Afghans.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Seriously?

I thought it just meant Land of Pak (people)!

 

[Canuck786]

Oh please a cartoon with disguised voice is your reference?

What does Stan mean in country names?

As a generally accepted explanation, the suffix "stan" is an ancient Persian and/or Farsi word meaning country, nation, land, or place of, so, the country name of Afghanistan would then mean "homeland" of the Afghans, or place of the Afghans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

 

[Super Falcon]

There needs to be a public vote on the matter and residents should push this to govt.

Pakistani govt dont govern the country as per people wishes im sure 100 percent pak want them out but puppet sitting they wont do anything we are dumbest nation

 

[Imad.Khan]

Oh please a cartoon with disguised voice is your reference?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

oh so wikipedia is a better source?

Plus didn't you go to school? We were taught this in Pakistan studies aswell