Formula to kick out all Afghans out of Pakistan...

[Indus Pakistan]

May be you can't defend PTI over this and pre-decided to side with the Govt.

Honestly my views are not driven by PTI. Many times I disagree with PTI. I am not a drone. I applauded PPP when Bilawal Bhutto made a strong speach about Asia Bibi. So I am not locked into party politics. I also agree with PML-N over the massive motorway projects which I think will do Pakistan wonders. Although of course I am against corruption involved in these projects. Going back to this issue my thoughts are driven by following [in order of importance] and please note in order of importance in my mind-

• it is a litmus test and exposes the fallacy of "Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Illaha Illallah". As I am against Mullahism this is perfect point to call them out on it. Yes I am using this issue to highlight something else. The reality is in Islam there are only "Muslims and Non-Muslims". Islam does not grade levels of Muslims. Or Grade A Muslim, Grade B Muslim, Grade C Muslim etc. It just has "Muslim" irrespective of ethnic group, skin colour, race, language etc. Therefore if Pakistan is trually a Islamic state for Muslims [like Israel is for Jews] it ought to accept any Muslim, from any place on earth, of any ethnic group. The only criterion should be "Muslim". Islam has no geographic or man made divisions. If people accept that Pakistan is just a regular state limited to a geography and consitutionally a federation of four provinces made up of four dominant ethnic groups I am cool wit that.
• There is element of human rights here. Should we punish a group for the misdeeds of all? In addition many of these migrants have been in Pakistan for over four decades. In UK they give nationality after 5 years. It is inflicting cruality on many for misdeeds of some.
• In the long run this group will be strategic asset. Pakistan has to gain the upper hand on it's western flank. This population despite the problems over the horizon will be a tool to expand our influence to the detriment of India, Iran and Central Asia.

I know all these points will fly over the heads of most PDF'ers but that is how it is. I am not about join herd of sheep. My thinking always is tangent. Most people here just want to fry the same pot, again , again, again which is why Pakistan is destined to suffer and not reach it's potential as a nation.

*sigh*.

 

[Evil Flare]

*cough*

• "Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Illaha Illallah"
• پاکستان کا مطلب کیا لاالہ الا اللہ
• "Pakistan Homeland of Muslims"

Whatever happened to "Muslim this, Muslim that"???? Or is that just a convenient label to be used when it suits but dumped when not suitable.?

Pakistan was made of the muslims of sub continent .. and not for Afghans

 

[TMA]

Honestly my views are not driven by PTI. Many times I disagree with PTI. I am not a drone. I applauded PPP when Bilawal Bhutto made a strong speach about Asia Bibi. So I am not locked into party politics. I also agree with PML-N over the massive motorway projects which I think will do Pakistan wonders. Although of course I am against corruption involved in these projects. Going back to this issue my thoughts are driven by following [in order of importance] and please note in order of importance in my mind-

• it is a litmus test and exposes the fallacy of "Pakistan ka matlab kia, La Illaha Illallah". As I am against Mullahism this is perfect point to call them out on it. Yes I am using this issue to highlight something else. The reality is in Islam there are only "Muslims and Non-Muslims". Islam does not grade levels of Muslims. Or Grade A Muslim, Grade B Muslim, Grade C Muslim etc. It just has "Muslim" irrespective of ethnic group, skin colour, race, language etc. Therefore if Pakistan is trually a Islamic state for Muslims [like Israel is for Jews] it ought to accept any Muslim, from any place on earth, of any ethnic group. The only criterion should be "Muslim". Islam has no geographic or man made divisions. If people accept that Pakistan is just a regular state limited to a geography and consitutionally a federation of four provinces made up of four dominant ethnic groups I am cool wit that.
• There is element of human rights here. Should we punish a group for the misdeeds of all? In addition many of these migrants have been in Pakistan for over four decades. In UK they give nationality after 5 years. It is inflicting cruality on many for misdeeds of some.
• In the long run this group will be strategic asset. Pakistan has to gain the upper hand on it's western flank. This population despite the problems over the horizon will be a tool to expand our influence to the detriment of India, Iran and Central Asia.

I know all these points will fly over the heads of most PDF'ers but that is how it is. I am not apt to be herd of sheep. My thinking always is tangent. Most people here just want to fry the same pot, again , ahain, again which is why Pakistan is destined to suffer and not reach it's potential as a nation.

*sigh*.

You are throwing the baby out with bath water so to speak.

Pakistan was for the Muslims of British India. British India finished about 70 years ago.

Also the Deen does allow one to take precautions for self defence even against Muslims.

You do know that Afghanistan does not accept the borders of Pakistan?

Pakistan was made of the muslims of sub continent .. and not for Afghans

British India.

 

[Tps43]

@Moonlight @Areesh @django @DESERT FIGHTER @Mrc @tps77 @Signalian

Agreed and add politicians to the list as well

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This does not mean Pakistan accepts a people who do not accept her and are a threat.

Did you speak and ascertain that of every bloody Afghan refugee numbering in millions in Pakistan? Did you? Do you know what sterotyping is? Do you know what collective punishment is? As a British Pakistani are you aware that the far right label Pakistani's -

• Sex Groomers of White Girls
• Terrorists
• Wanting to bring Sharia Law to UK
• Wanting to ovetake UK

Based on incidents where British Pakistani's have been judged guilty by courts of sex grooming, planting bombs in London, demonstrating for Sharia Law, spitting on British soldiers etc which EDL and far right say all British Pakistani's and Muslims are no good and should be thrown out of UK. Or Trumps labelling of all Muslims as no good. Do you support or agree with that?

Or when the boot is on your foot you change trhe fiddle??

Pakistan was made of the muslims of sub continent .. and not for Afghans

Who told you this?

"I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sindh and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single State."

Sir Allama Iqbal 1930


"Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Gujarat, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan."

Rehmat Ali 1933


* Constitutionally Pakistan is just a federation of four provinces and as such even the name is acronym. And I have already said that in Islam there is is only "Muslim or Non Muslim". There is no third category called "Muslims of Sub-Continent". So if you paddle religion then you are badly mistaken. Don't play the half regious and half man made geography contradiction. If it is Muslim then there is only one Ummah.

 

[TMA]

Did you speak and ascertain that of every bloody Afghan refugee numbering in millions in Pakistan? Did you. Do you know what sterotyping is? Do you know what collective punishment is? As a British Pakistan are you aware that the far right label Pakistani's -

• Sex Groomers of White Girls
• Terrorists
• Wanting to bring Sharia Law to UK
• Wanting to ovetake UK

Based on incidents where British Pakistani's have been judged guilty by courts of sex grooing, planting bombs in London, demonstrating for Sharia Law, spitting on British soldiers etc which EDL and far right say all British Pakistani's and Muslims are no good and should be thrown out of UK. Or Trumps labelling of all Muslims as no good. Do you support or agree with that?

Or when the boot is on your foot you change trhe fiddle??

So I am aware of this argument.

The State of Afghanistan is a enemy state to Pakistan.
Is the State of Pakistan an enemy state to the UK?
Afghanistan has a territorial dispute with Pakistan.
Does Pakistan have a territorial dispute with the UK?
What is the proportion of legal Pakistanis vs illegal/refugee Pakistanis in the UK?
What proportion of Afghans in Pakistan are legal vs illegal/refugee?

You see there are differences between the two situations.

But let us overlook them and say if the UK government decided to repatriate even legal Pakistanis, then I would have to accept this. It matters not whether I like it or not. (And illegal Pakistanis and refugee Pakistanis (if there any) ought to be repatriated anyways)

Now even if there was no terrorism emanating from Afghanistan towards Pakistan post 9/11, I would still advocate repatriation of refugees, as Afghanistan has not accepted Pakistan and holds territorial designs over Pakistan. Plus they are refugees....the idea is that go back....eventually.... even if there was good relations between the two countries.

Now I know most Afghan refugees are not terrorist, but so what? What matters is he loyal to Pakistan? Now even Pakistanis are not loyal but for some reason many people expect that people from an anti-Pakistan state will be loyal. Of course an Afghan will say with his tongue that he is loyal, as it is his material interest to do that, but should Pakistan just accept his mere word given the (lack of) relationship of the two nations?

Is one to be a fool???

I have said on other threads, that those Afghan refugees who prove their loyalty to Pakistan are most welcome, otherwise honourably repatriation is the best course of action.


Also repatriation of illegals or refugees is not collective punishment. Repatriation of naturalised citizens (who did it legally) for the crime of another maybe considered collective punishment.

Did you speak and ascertain that of every bloody Afghan refugee numbering in millions in Pakistan? Did you? Do you know what sterotyping is? Do you know what collective punishment is? As a British Pakistani are you aware that the far right label Pakistani's -

• Sex Groomers of White Girls
• Terrorists
• Wanting to bring Sharia Law to UK
• Wanting to ovetake UK

Based on incidents where British Pakistani's have been judged guilty by courts of sex grooming, planting bombs in London, demonstrating for Sharia Law, spitting on British soldiers etc which EDL and far right say all British Pakistani's and Muslims are no good and should be thrown out of UK. Or Trumps labelling of all Muslims as no good. Do you support or agree with that?

Or when the boot is on your foot you change trhe fiddle??

Who told you this?

"I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sindh and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single State."

Sir Allama Iqbal 1930


"Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Gujarat, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan."

Rehmat Ali 1933


* Constitutionally Pakistan is just a federation of four provinces and as such even the name is acronym. And I have already said that in Islam there is is only "Muslim or Non Muslim". There is no third category called "Muslims of Sub-Continent". So if you paddle religion then you are badly mistaken. Don't play the half regious and half man made geography contradiction. If it is Muslim then there is only one Ummah.

KPK is North West Frontier province...or are you suggesting that Allama Iqbal or Rehmat Ali suggested that Afghanistan was also part of British India?

 

[VCheng]

If Govt is not doing anything we can do even with very peaceful way, already tried this method is my village and now my village is Afghan free.....

Stop giving them jobs,
Stop selling them anything,
Stop purchasing from them,
Stop renting them your houses and shops,
Total social economical boycott....

believe me these people well run to Afghanistan with in a week....

Such boycotting strategies succeed only if a sufficient number of people participate. Try launching such a campaign and it will succeed or fail according to that simple metric.

 

[Kabira]

You don’t have to do all that over the top stuff. Refugees belong to camps. State just need to work with in law to take care of them.

 

[CriticalThought]

This is a disgusting racist thread and such foolish people are creating ongoing troubles for even our future generations. You are adding explosives to a timebomb that you will explode in your faces. This problem has to be solved through dialogue, not through racism.

 

[Menace2Society]

This is a disgusting racist thread and such foolish people are creating ongoing troubles for even our future generations. You are adding explosives to a timebomb that you will explode in your faces. This problem has to be solved through dialogue, not through racism.

It already exploded with TTP insurgency and their afghan refugee foot soldiers. Its not a ticking timebomb its a planned strategy to keep Pakistan in a state of perputual uncertainty and instability.

I don't care where you live if you are an enemy of the state you should be deported imprisoned.

Afghanistan is ideologically opposed to Pakistan and im cahoots with the enemy. This enough grounds to remove their people from the country. I will say it once again you will never thrive as a nation and restore your former glory if you do not remove Afghan influence and people from your society. From their retarded cultural and religious beliefs to their anti state narratives which will haunt you as long as they reside within your borders. This whole jigra nonsense and lawlessness must end. I don't care about your baboon customs and archaic sense of entitlement built on ethnic hatred and envy of Punjabis. **** off from Pakistan.

 

[CriticalThought]

It already exploded with TTP insurgency and their afghan refugee foot soldiers. Its not a ticking timebomb its a planned strategy to keep Pakistan in a state of perputual uncertainty and instability.

I don't care where you live if you are an enemy of the state you should be deported imprisoned.

Afghanistan is ideologically opposed to Pakistan and im cahoots with the enemy. This enough grounds to remove their people from the country. I will say it once again you will never thrive as a nation and restore your former glory if you do not remove Afghan influence and people from your society. From their retarded cultural and religious beliefs to their anti state narratives which will haunt you as long as they reside within your borders. This whole jigra nonsense and lawlessness must end. I don't care about your baboon customs and archaic sense of entitlement built on ethnic hatred and envy of Punjabis. **** off from Pakistan.

You are pointing out multiple problems here.

1. Enemies of state need to be eliminated. No disagreement here.
2. What defines enemy of state? You cannot label an entire race your enemy.
3. If it really is true that an entire race of people is an enemy of your state, then you have an existential crisis that will affect you for multiple generations. You now have only two options:
a. Genocide.
b. Dialogue.

You choose.

 

[Max]

Never going to happen..

They will keep fcxking us and we will keep providing them safe heavens to operate against us..

Daily 800 visa just from jalalabad, we don't know about illegal and those who have access right due to Durand line agreement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062193856471617537

 

[TMA]

You are pointing out multiple problems here.

1. Enemies of state need to be eliminated. No disagreement here.
2. What defines enemy of state? You cannot label an entire race your enemy.
3. If it really is true that an entire race of people is an enemy of your state, then you have an existential crisis that will affect you for multiple generations. You now have only two options:
a. Genocide.
b. Dialogue.

You choose.

Don't conflate issues.
Not all Afghans hate Pakistan. But they don't love Pakistan either.
However the State of Afghanistan is an enemy. This is fact. Is it sensible that Pakistan give people from this state free access to Pakistan?
Also they are refugees...the point of a refugee is to return one day....even if the State of Afghanistan was not enemy.

You are presenting a false dilemma.
Repatriation of refugees is not genocide especially if they are from an enemy state (even if they are not involved in terrorism). They are refugees. One can still dialogue as well. Of course exceptions can be made to those who prove loyalty to Pakistan. But I suspect this will be a tiny minority.

I don't like it when Pakistanis want Afghans to leave cos of terrorism, as this makes it that the only issue is post 9/11 war on terror. Even if there was no TTP, I would still urge repatriation as (1) they are refugees and (2) Afghanistan has territorial dispute with Pakistan since 1947. Now you can add terrorism to this as a third.

 

[El Sidd]

If Govt is not doing anything we can do even with very peaceful way, already tried this method is my village and now my village is Afghan free.....

Stop giving them jobs,
Stop selling them anything,
Stop purchasing from them,
Stop renting them your houses and shops,
Total social economical boycott....

believe me these people well run to Afghanistan with in a week....

Mahajireen ko musalman wapis nahi bhejte.

End of discussion

They are refugees.

Yes they are.

They are being returned and this is No easy legal process. It takes Time.

Afghanistan Peace process will fasten the pace naturally.

No need to make extra enemies for being impatient on the 3 Miles of a 300 mile journey.

Patience is still a virtue

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Aoa

I like how when the west blames all muslims for what a bunch of people do, or if the arabs get strict on our people, we get all excited about bigotry and islamophobia and racism and whatnot. A whole lot of our people live abroad and also help the economy through remittances.

Yet, when people from a war torn country, literally for decades, more than most of us can remember, stay in our country and some of them engage in what a whole lot of natives themselves engage in, we act like... well this.

The MQM killing squads, the PPP aman committee lot, the land grabbers from everywhere, the Sipah Sahaba, the corrupt public service, tge corrupt politicians, tge corrupt police, the corrupt mullahs, the corrupt liberal types... the corrupt clerks... just where do you even stop? And yet all of this and we see the only solution is xenophobia and hatred for Afgans.

The fact is we have done our share of messing up their country, whether with good reason or not, but they have suffered and there is some ill feelings that are carried. The situation isn't helped by pro india government and propaganda there.

However, they are not a lot compared to our population and they are not the cause of all or even most of our ills.

Blaming them for all our failings won't make Pakistan 'great again'. They, too, like most of us want a decent life themselves and their families without fear that comes with being in a war zone and displaced.

As for the idea that refugees should leave, sure, but is the war over now?

So, I think the lot of us sitting happy in our homes with our families should have show some sympathy. Especially as we either ourselves our expats or are relying on the remittances of expats to help our country's economy move forward.


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