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[REhorror]

No, Mao always held the supreme power in China.

Maybe he did.
But there's no denial that the Gang of Four was in control during the times when Mao was sick and near death.

Which is why the Gang of Four was only arrested AFTER Mao is dead.

 

[Viet]

In 2013, is it not NATO's intervention in Ukraine that NATO countries supported the Ukrainian opposition?

We all know that Ukraine is a divided country, with Catholicism on one side and Orthodox Church on the other. Polish descendants on one side and Russian descendants on the other. Ukrainian on one side and Russian on the other.

For Ukraine, the only way to maintain domestic stability is to maintain a balance between NATO and Russia.

NATO broke the balance in 2013, and the eastern Ukrainians deprived of freedom and choice will certainly be dissatisfied. This is the real reason for the war in Ukraine.

Even if Ukraine is infiltrated by nato, ruled by a Nazi Jew, controlled by a gang of five leg aliens, what has to do with Russia or China? Why do you intervene in other people business?

Georgia wants to join EU. Looks like the majority wants to topple the government. Sri Lanka becomes violent. You want to start wars against them too?

 

[MH.Yang]

Even if Ukraine is infiltrated by nato, ruled by a Nazi Jew, controlled by a gang of five leg aliens, what has to do with Russia or China? Why do you intervene in other people business?

Georgia wants to join EU. Looks like the majority wants to topple the government. Sri Lanka becomes violent. You want to start wars against them too?

We understand Russia because we have also intervened in North Korea and Vietnam. The Americans almost launched a nuclear war for Cuba.

The territory of the tiger is not only its nest. Don't think about the tiger with the eyes of a rabbit.

BTW: If you think the Russians should not intervene in Ukraine, why did NATO intervene in Ukraine in 2013.

 

[Mista]

So?

So... what about your so?

Disgraceful.

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[MH.Yang]

Maybe he did.
But there's no denial that the Gang of Four was in control during the times when Mao was sick and near death.

Which is why the Gang of Four was only arrested AFTER Mao is dead.

A month before Mao Zedong died, that is, in August 1976, Mao Zedong once had a conversation with Deng Xiaoping. After this conversation, another person was also reinstated. He was Marshal Ye Jianying.

Deng Xiaoping arrested the gang of four with the help of Marshal Ye Jianying.

Personally, I think the gang of four is only a tool used by Mao Zedong to balance Deng Xiaoping. After Mao Zedong reactivated Deng Xiaoping in January 1975, he must be afraid that Deng Xiaoping would overthrow his authority like Khrushchev overthrew Stalin and Brezhnev overthrew Khrushchev.

After 1975, it was Mao Zedong's probation period for Deng Xiaoping, and the gang of four was a tool to balance Deng Xiaoping.

April 1976 was the last test of Deng Xiaoping.

In August 1976, Mao Zedong decided to release the last resort Ye Jianying to help Deng Xiaoping eliminate the gang of four that had no use.

 

[Viet]

We understand Russia because we have also intervened in North Korea and Vietnam. The Americans almost launched a nuclear war for Cuba.

The territory of the tiger is not only its nest. Don't think about the tiger with the eyes of a rabbit.

BTW: If you think the Russians should not intervene in Ukraine, why did NATO intervene in Ukraine in 2013.

Of course its about geopolitics. All wars are about money, lands, territories, resources. Putin wants them in Ukraine because he sees the country’s weakness. If Ukraine is in the Nato the war wouldn’t happen. In the case of China you wanted security at the southern front, Vietnam a buffer area. Why don’t they tell things as they are. I just hate liars. Liberating the oppressed in Donbas and other shits.
NATO intervention as reason to go to war? I wonder why you believe to your own bullshit.

 

[MH.Yang]

Of course its about geopolitics. All wars are about money, lands, territories, resources. Putin wants them in Ukraine because he sees the country’s weakness. If Ukraine is in the Nato the war wouldn’t happen. In the case of China you wanted security at the southern front, a buffer area. Why don’t they tell things as they are. I just hate liars. Liberating the oppressed in Donbas and other shits.

The world is inherently hypocritical. Do you think NATO is not hypocritical?

 

[zhxy]

Big fish eats small fish. That is the law of nature.
Justice always wins. The winner is justice

 

[REhorror]

A month before Mao Zedong died, that is, in August 1976, Mao Zedong once had a conversation with Deng Xiaoping. After this conversation, another person was also reinstated. He was Marshal Ye Jianying.

If that's true, it means Mao has lost control during this period (to be fair, he's near dead). That's why he failed to personally push out the Gang of Four and reinstate Deng and Zhou and had to rely on secret conversations.

 

[MH.Yang]

If that's true, it means Mao has lost control during this period (to be fair, he's near dead). That's why he failed to personally push out the Gang of Four and reinstate Deng and Zhou and had to rely on secret conversations.

You obviously don't understand the political struggle in Chinese history.

It is not that Mao Zedong could not destroy the gang of four himself, it is Mao Zedong left the gang of four to his successor to destroy(If Mao Zedong did not have the ability to destroy the gang of four, then Mao Zedong could not easily reinstate Deng Xiaoping and Ye Jianying).

That is to establish the prestige for Deng Xiaoping. This method is very common in Chinese history.

For example, Emperor Qianlong of the Qing Dynasty left HeShen to the next emperor to be executed.


Jiang Qing is just a nepotism. Wang Hongwen is a schemer who was promoted by the cultural revolution. Zhang Chunqiao is a renegade KMT spy. Yao Wenyuan is the kind of intellectual who only writes articles that Mao Zedong hates most. Mao Zedong is not a fool. How can he really value these four people. Personally, I think Mao Zedong prepared to use them as a stepping stone for Deng Xiaoping&Hua Guofeng from the beginning.

 

[REhorror]

Jiang Qing is just a nepotism. Wang Hongwen is a schemer who was promoted by the cultural revolution. Zhang Chunqiao is a renegade KMT spy. Yao Wenyuan is the kind of intellectual who only writes articles that Mao Zedong hates most. Mao Zedong is not a fool. How can he really value these four people. Personally, I think Mao Zedong prepared to use them as a stepping stone for Deng Xiaoping from the beginning.

Your theory aside, late stage Mao Zedong with these four people destroyed a lot of people's lives, tortured and killed loyalists (Peng Dehai), Liu Shaoqi) and flirted with American rightists.

If this is a test, it's a dumb and costly one, since in the end Deng still gets the throne anyway.

EDIT: And Maoist reminders actually still dislike Deng.

 

[MH.Yang]

Your theory aside, late stage Mao Zedong with these four people destroyed a lot of people's lives, tortured and killed loyalists (Peng Dehai), Liu Shaoqi) and flirted with American rightists.

If this is a test, it's a dumb and costly one, since in the end Deng still gets the throne anyway.

First of all, Deng Xiaoping was not Mao Zedong's first choice. Mao Zedong's first choice was Hua Guofeng and the Soviet Union. Deng Xiaoping and the USA are the second choice.

Secondly, Peng Dehuai and Liu Shaoqi died of disease. But they did die after being deprived of their posts by Mao Zedong.

Third, the problems of Peng Dehuai and Liu Shaoqi have nothing to do with Deng Xiaoping.

Fourth, Peng Dehuai's problem is to challenge the authority of the Central Military Commission and undermine the CCP principle of the party commanding the gun. After the Korean War, Peng Dehuai was promoted to minister of defense. However, according to the CCP's power structure, the army belongs to the party rather than the government. That is to say, the Central Military Commission has military power rather than the Ministry of national defense. At that time, Su Yu served as vice chairman of the Central Military Commission and chief of the general staff of the three armed forces. Su Yu implemented Mao Zedong's order to carry out military reform and disarmament of the PLA. But Peng Dehuai led other generals to oppose Su Yu collectively. This is a provocation against the authority of the Central Military Commission. Mao Zedong once angrily warned general Peng Dehuai and other generals: I am not dead, you have dared to disobey the command of the Party Central Committee. If I die, do you want to be a warlord in a separate territory! Later, Peng Dehuai challenged the CPC Central Committee represented by Liu Shaoqi at the Lushan meeting. He once again angered Mao Zedong, who dismissed Peng Dehuai from office.

Fifth, Liu Shaoqi's problem is Mao Zedong's mistake. Influenced by Lin Biao and Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong believed that the new govt led by Liu Shaoqi was ready to carry out capitalist reform. So Mao Zedong dismissed Liu Shaoqi.


BTW: Of course, Mao Zedong would not like Deng Xiaoping, and Deng Xiaoping did not like Mao Zedong. Mao Zedong is the left-wing leader of CCP, and Deng Xiaoping is the right-wing leader of CCP.
Mao Zedong's final choice of Deng Xiaoping and the USA is actually a betrayal of his faith.
But Mao Zedong would rather betray himself than let his successor continue to be hostile to the two superpowers at the same time.
Because with Mao Zedong's prestige in the CCP, if he did not agree to reconciliation, then his successor would hardly have enough strength to violate his policies.
And the Chinese have had enough of being hostile to two superpowers at the same time. Mao Zedong must solve this problem before he dies.
So is Deng Xiaoping. Deng Xiaoping was suppressed and tossed by Mao Zedong all his life. How could he like Mao Zedong?
But Deng Xiaoping witnessed the chaos in the Soviet Union and the consequences of the farce of Khrushchev's overthrow of Stalin and Brezhnev's overthrow of Khrushchev. So Deng Xiaoping did not choose to overthrow Mao Zedong. This set a good example for the later leaders of CCP.

 

[REhorror]

First of all, Deng Xiaoping was not Mao Zedong's first choice. Mao Zedong's first choice was Hua Guofeng and the Soviet Union. Deng Xiaoping and the USA are the second choice.

Secondly, Peng Dehuai and Liu Shaoqi died of disease. But they did die after being deprived of their posts by Mao Zedong.

Peng Dehuai was tortured, beaten, starved, he died due to mistreatment. The reason is because he was pro-Soviet and too frank-speaking.
Mao and Mao's wife hated him, similar to how Stalin dismissed Zhukov after WW2, except Peng's case was much more extreme.

Killing Peng Dehaui was one of Mao's worst mistake, and he remains popular even after Mao's death.

 

[MH.Yang]

Peng Dehuai was tortured, beaten, starved, he died due to mistreatment. The reason is because he was pro-Soviet and too frank-speaking.
Mao and Mao's wife hated him, similar to how Stalin dismissed Zhukov after WW2, except Peng's case was much more extreme.

Killing Peng Dehaui was one of Mao's worst mistake, and he remains popular even after Mao's death.

Peng Dehuai is popular because he is the commander in chief of the Korean War. But Peng Dehuai made too serious a mistake.

As Mao Zedong said, when Mao Zedong was still alive, Peng Dehuai dared to refuse to obey the command of the Central Military Commission and led a group of generals to challenge the chief of the general staff of the three armed forces. If Mao Zedong dies, who else can CCP make Peng Dehuai obey orders?

Hua Guofeng and Deng Xiaoping certainly do not have enough ability and authority to suppress general Peng Dehuai and other generals.

Then Peng Dehuai and other generals will inevitably become new warlords, and China will re-enter the civil war. How many Chinese people will die in this case?

So Peng Dehuai is bound to be dismissed.

Liu Shaoqi was the real mistake Mao Zedong made.

 

[REhorror]

So Peng Dehuai is bound to be dismissed.

It is not mere dismissed, Peng Dehaui was tortured, beaten and starved during the Cultural Revolution, all because he was pro-Soviet and disagreed with Mao's direction in the CR.
I'm not sure if this is covered in your history, but it's pretty hard to defend Mao in this case.

Mao becomes the very warlord that he's afraid of.