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So you revert your claim to some jews are racist against arabs and some arabs are racist against jews.
groundbreaking!
I never said Arabs weren't racist. I stated that a good % of Jews are racist. It is obvious that with 70+ years of conflict there will be racism inprinted in daily life in both Arabs and Jews.
 
Sure, can be.
Arabs can be racist against other arabs and even mass-murder them.
After all who've killed more arabs in the middle east than other arabs?
Trying to prove something about millions of people based on videos or opinions of some is laughable at best.


It's not about arabs or jews, that guy is trying to infer that a population of millions is racist based on few youtube videos or smt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantifier_(logic)

I am sure that Israelis have killed more Israelis than outsiders have in the past 70+ years as well. Imagine if there were 20 + Jewish countries living in the region, with the same geopolitical challenges and constant (harmful) interference from the outside. Or nonsense borders. Israel has territorial problems (itself) for a reason too. Worse than any Arab country as well. Unsolved for 70+ years.

BTW, Arabs have only been at war against each other in recent years, due to the Arab spring (civil wars). Other than that, you cannot mention more than 2-3 Arab-Arab conflicts (wars between 2 Arab countries) in the last 100 years. The most deadly being the Gulf War. Once again 1 dictator (Saddam) forcing an entire country to go at war with an Arab neighbor (Kuwait) despite 90% + of all Iraqis not supporting it.

The fact is that Arabs and Israelis (I include Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Bedouins, Druze, Arab Jews that form the majority of all Israeli Jews) share almost everything in common outside of religion (if atheists no difference), passport and politics.

If I recall, you are an Iraqi Jew although you could have been a Yemeni, Moroccan or Egyptian Jew. To me, other than a closely related religion (Judaism), your passport and your politics/allegiance, there is little to no difference between us. In other words, we share much, much more in common than the opposite. For instance we share more than I share with a fellow Muslim from Senegal, Kazakhstan, Albania or Sri Lanka, if we look past what I wrote.

That is why, in an ideal world, the Arab world, in particular us Arabs of the Near East (Sham, GCC, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt) and Israel, need to cooperate rather than be hostile as it makes no sense the second the current conflict will be solved politically.

BTW, out of pure curiosity, how to you look at future Arab-Israeli ties? Do you think that the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab conflict will ever be solved politically? What are the sentiments of the average Arab Israeli Jew/Jew with origins in the Arab world?
 
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I never said Arabs weren't racist. I stated that a good % of Jews are racist. It is obvious that with 70+ years of conflict there will be racism inprinted in daily life in both Arabs and Jews.
What is good %? Have you proven that %?
I am sure that Israelis have killed more Israelis than outsiders have in the past 70+ years as well. Imagine if there were 20 + Jewish countries living in the region, with the same geopolitical challenges and constant (harmful) interference.

BTW, Arabs have only been at war against each other in recent years, due to the Arab spring. Other than that, you cannot mention more than 2-3 Arab-Arab conflicts (wars between 2 Arab countries) in the last 100 years. The most deadly being the Gulf War. Once again 1 dictator (Saddam) forcing an entire country to go at war with an Arab neighbor (Kuwait) despite 90% + of all Iraqis not supporting it.

The fact is that Arabs and Israelis (I include Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Bedouins, Druze, Arab Jews that form the majority of all Israeli Jews) share almost everything in common outside of religion (if atheists no difference), passport and politics.

If I recall, you are an Iraqi Jew although you could have been a Yemeni, Moroccan or Egyptian Jew. To me, other than a closely related religion (Judaism), your passport and your politics/allegiance, there is little to no difference between us. In other words, we share much, much more in common than the opposite. For instance we share more than I share with a fellow Muslim from Senegal, Kazakhstan, Albania or Sri Lanka, if we look past what I wrote.

That is why, in an ideal world, the Arab world, in particular us Arabs of the Near East (Sham, GCC, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt) and Israel, need to cooperate rather than be hostile as it makes no sense the second the current conflict will be solved politically.

BTW, out of pure curiosity, how to you look at future Arab-Israeli ties? Do you think that the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab conflict will ever be solved politically? What are the sentiments of the average Arab Israeli Jew/Jew with origins in the Arab world?
Israelies kill Israelies mostly in car accidents, as for murders it'll be mostly from Arab-Israeli conflicts.
And you two yet to see my point.
You're claiming that a population is that or that based on actions or opinions of few.
How's that for a claim:
There are rational numbers Y that can be divided without remainder by 49
Hence, EVERY rational number X can be divided without reminder by 49.

I'm gonna get a nobel prize
 
@DavidSling You wanted a %


The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) published reports documenting racism in Israel, and the 2007 report suggested that anti-Arab racism in the country was increasing. One analysis of the report summarized it thus: "Over two-thirds Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together ... The report becomes even grimmer, citing the ACRI's racism poll, taken in March 2007, in which 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes."[15]
 
@DavidSling You wanted a %


The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) published reports documenting racism in Israel, and the 2007 report suggested that anti-Arab racism in the country was increasing. One analysis of the report summarized it thus: "Over two-thirds Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together ... The report becomes even grimmer, citing the ACRI's racism poll, taken in March 2007, in which 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes."[15]
"Suggested"
"Poll"
"One Analysis"
And yet you didn't even share the report
 
"Suggested"
"Poll"
"One Analysis"
And yet you didn't even share the report

Racism against Israeli Jews by Israeli Arabs
Polls
A 2009 PEW poll, which included 527 Israeli Arab respondents, showed that 35% of Israeli Arabs said their opinion of Jews was unfavorable, while 56% said their opinion was favorable (the figures amongst Israeli Jews on their attitude of themselves were 94% favorable; 6% unfavorable).[212]

The 2008 Index of Arab-Jewish Relations in Israel by the Jewish-Arab Center found that 40.5% of the Arab citizens of Israel denied the Holocaust, up from 28% in 2006.[213][214] This report also states that "In Arab eyes disbelief in the very happening of the Shoah is not hate of Jews (embedded in the denial of the Shoah in the West) but rather a form of protest. Arabs not believing in the event of Shoah intend to express strong objection to the portrayal of the Jews as the ultimate victim and to the underrating of the Palestinians as a victim. They deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state that the Shoah gives legitimacy to."[214]

Incidents
Numerous racist attacks against Jews have taken place throughout Arab localities in the Galilee and in Arab areas of Jerusalem, including murders. Among the people killed in such attacks was Kristine Luken, an American tourist stabbed in a forest near Jerusalem after being seen wearing a Star of David necklace.[215] In Jerusalem, Jews driving through Al-Issawiya have been subjected to ambushes by crowds, as was a repairman who had been hired by a resident.[216] Emergency services vehicles have also been attacked while passing through the neighborhood. Jews who travel to the Mount of Olives also risk violence.[217] Jews who enter or buy property in Arab areas face harassment, and Arabs who have sold property to Jews have been murdered. In 2010, an Israeli-Jewish security guard, Kochav Segal Halevi, was forced from his home in the Arab town of I'billin after a racist crowd gathered at his house, and he received death threats.[218]

In 2008, the slogan "Death to the Jews" was found spray-painted in Arabic on the cargo hold of an El Al plane.[219]

In 2010, the wall of a synagogue and a Jewish residence in the mixed Jewish-Arab Ajami neighborhood of Jaffa were spray-painted with swastikas and Palestinian flags.[220]

In 2014, Arabs from Shfaram murdered Shelly Dadon.

Leaders

Raed Salah, the head of the Islamic movement in Israel, was prosecuted in 2010 for incitement to racism
Journalist Ben-Meir described Arab Knesset members who "talk incessantly about the Palestinian people's rights, including their own state" but who "refuse to acknowledge Israel as the state of the Jewish people and deny the very existence of a Jewish people as a nation with national rights" as racist.[221] Ariel Natan Pasko, a policy analyst, suggested that prominent Arab leaders such as Arab member of Knesset Ahmad Tibi is racist because he "turned away from integration" and "wants to build an Arab university in Nazareth, as well as an Arab hospital in the Galilee."[222] Tibi had been previously accused of racism: in 1997, he said "whoever sells his house to the Jews has sold his soul to Satan and done a despicable act".[223]

The head of the Islamic movement in Israel's Northern Branch, was charged with incitement to racism and to violence. During legal proceedings, the prosecution said that Sheikh Raed Salah made his inflammatory remarks "with the objective of inciting racism."[224][225] he also accused Jews of using children's blood to bake bread.[226]
 
Racism against Israeli Jews by Israeli Arabs
Polls
A 2009 PEW poll, which included 527 Israeli Arab respondents, showed that 35% of Israeli Arabs said their opinion of Jews was unfavorable, while 56% said their opinion was favorable (the figures amongst Israeli Jews on their attitude of themselves were 94% favorable; 6% unfavorable).[212]

The 2008 Index of Arab-Jewish Relations in Israel by the Jewish-Arab Center found that 40.5% of the Arab citizens of Israel denied the Holocaust, up from 28% in 2006.[213][214] This report also states that "In Arab eyes disbelief in the very happening of the Shoah is not hate of Jews (embedded in the denial of the Shoah in the West) but rather a form of protest. Arabs not believing in the event of Shoah intend to express strong objection to the portrayal of the Jews as the ultimate victim and to the underrating of the Palestinians as a victim. They deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state that the Shoah gives legitimacy to."[214]

Incidents
Numerous racist attacks against Jews have taken place throughout Arab localities in the Galilee and in Arab areas of Jerusalem, including murders. Among the people killed in such attacks was Kristine Luken, an American tourist stabbed in a forest near Jerusalem after being seen wearing a Star of David necklace.[215] In Jerusalem, Jews driving through Al-Issawiya have been subjected to ambushes by crowds, as was a repairman who had been hired by a resident.[216] Emergency services vehicles have also been attacked while passing through the neighborhood. Jews who travel to the Mount of Olives also risk violence.[217] Jews who enter or buy property in Arab areas face harassment, and Arabs who have sold property to Jews have been murdered. In 2010, an Israeli-Jewish security guard, Kochav Segal Halevi, was forced from his home in the Arab town of I'billin after a racist crowd gathered at his house, and he received death threats.[218]

In 2008, the slogan "Death to the Jews" was found spray-painted in Arabic on the cargo hold of an El Al plane.[219]

In 2010, the wall of a synagogue and a Jewish residence in the mixed Jewish-Arab Ajami neighborhood of Jaffa were spray-painted with swastikas and Palestinian flags.[220]

In 2014, Arabs from Shfaram murdered Shelly Dadon.

Leaders

Raed Salah, the head of the Islamic movement in Israel, was prosecuted in 2010 for incitement to racism
Journalist Ben-Meir described Arab Knesset members who "talk incessantly about the Palestinian people's rights, including their own state" but who "refuse to acknowledge Israel as the state of the Jewish people and deny the very existence of a Jewish people as a nation with national rights" as racist.[221] Ariel Natan Pasko, a policy analyst, suggested that prominent Arab leaders such as Arab member of Knesset Ahmad Tibi is racist because he "turned away from integration" and "wants to build an Arab university in Nazareth, as well as an Arab hospital in the Galilee."[222] Tibi had been previously accused of racism: in 1997, he said "whoever sells his house to the Jews has sold his soul to Satan and done a despicable act".[223]

The head of the Islamic movement in Israel's Northern Branch, was charged with incitement to racism and to violence. During legal proceedings, the prosecution said that Sheikh Raed Salah made his inflammatory remarks "with the objective of inciting racism."[224][225] he also accused Jews of using children's blood to bake bread.[226]
I told you before that Arabs are racist against Jews.
 
@DavidSling You wanted a %


The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) published reports documenting racism in Israel, and the 2007 report suggested that anti-Arab racism in the country was increasing. One analysis of the report summarized it thus: "Over two-thirds Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together ... The report becomes even grimmer, citing the ACRI's racism poll, taken in March 2007, in which 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes."[15]

Arabs = Palestinians. The people to people disagreements are with Palestinians and Israelis. Not other Arabs. Politically it is a different story. The point is that Arabs would not have much anti-Jewish sentiments if not for the Israeli-Palestinians conflict and the treatment of Palestinians.

I think it would be 95% + if you asked Palestinians. Not blaming them but just saying that it is worse the other way around. For obvious reasons as well.

Hence why it would be ideal for the Arab world and Israel to (Arabs and Jews in general) to restore the good old ties, once the conflict has been solved, as we share tons in common, in particular the Arab Jews who make up most of the Israeli Jews, not to mention the "Israeli Arabs" (some 20%).

What is good %? Have you proven that %?

Israelies kill Israelies mostly in car accidents, as for murders it'll be mostly from Arab-Israeli conflicts.
And you two yet to see my point.
You're claiming that a population is that or that based on actions or opinions of few.
How's that for a claim:
There are rational numbers Y that can be divided without remainder by 49
Hence, EVERY rational number X can be divided without reminder by 49.

I'm gonna get a nobel prize

The whole comparison makes no sense. There are 20 + Arab countries spanning a geography the size of Russia from the Atlantic Ocean (Mauritania) to the Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean (Oman). 500+ million Arabs.

To compare that with tiny Israel, with 6.7 million Israeli Jews or so (with 2/3 of those being Arab Jews/Jews from Arab countries) makes no sense. There are more people in Riyadh alone just to put it into perspective, and last time I saw, nobody in Riyadh has waged wars again each other since Israel came into existence less than 75 years ago, and the main cause of "violent" death are car accidents as well.

Also I am not sure why you are directing your reply to me, when I already wrote that I don't believe in generalizations for the simple fact that 99.99% of all Arabs have never met an Israeli Jew and while 99.99% of all Israelis have never met an Arab, outside of Palestinians.

Anyway, not sure if you saw my questions or not, but will post them again.

Out of pure curiosity, how to you look at future Arab-Israeli ties? Do you think that the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab conflict will ever be solved politically? What are the sentiments of the average Arab Israeli Jew/Jew with origins in the Arab world?
 
The whole comparison makes no sense. There are 20 + Arab countries spanning a geography the size of Russia from the Atlantic Ocean (Mauritania) to the Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean (Oman). 500+ million Arabs.

To compare that with tiny Israel, with 6.7 million Israeli Jews or so (with 2/3 of those being Arab Jews/Jews from Arab countries) makes no sense. There are more people in Riyadh alone just to put it into perspective, and last time I saw, nobody in Riyadh has waged wars again each other since Israel came into existence less than 75 years ago.

Also I am not sure why you are direction my reply to me, when I already wrote that I don't believe in generalizations for the simple fact that 99.99% of all Arabs have never met an Israeli Jew and while 99.99% of all Israelis have never met an Arab, outside of Palestinians.

Anyway, not sure if you saw my questions or not, but will post them again.

Out of pure curiosity, how to you look at future Arab-Israeli ties? Do you think that the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab conflict will ever be solved politically? What are the sentiments of the average Arab Israeli Jew/Jew with origins in the Arab world?
The whole conversation is idiotic, I can agree on that.
I dont believe the conflict will be solved, disbelief by all sides involved and no desire to make any compromises.
I personally feel that the arab world is double faced.
 
The whole conversation is idiotic, I can agree on that.
I dont believe the conflict will be solved, disbelief by all sides involved and no desire to make any comprises.
I personally feel that the arab world is double faced

To be completely blunt, putting aside whatever support/sympathy I and all other Arabs have for Palestinians as fellow Arabs and my personal wish for a succesfull independent Palestinian state, the conflict (nature of it) is Israeli and Palestinian. Little if anything to do with other Arabs directly as of 2019.

Well, logic dictates that the conflict will eventually be solved.

What exactly is double-faced? The conflict could have been solved ages ago if not for mainly right-wing Israeli politicians and political parties preventing it. Does the murder of Rabin ring any bells? The Arab League has time and time again (Arab Peace Initiative etc.) proposed a settlement of the conflict and complete normalization of ties.

Israel as the stronger party (against mostly defenseless Palestinians) with all the world powers allied with itself (USA in particular but even Russia and China), should take the lead to solve the conflict. Yet not much if anything is done in this regard.

Living in the current status quo for another 70+ years, can't be ideal as an Israeli.
 
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In times of need you have to even make the donkey your king. We need good relations with KSA to increase our hold there. We cannot oppose them and hope to gain there.
they want pakistan to help them kill innocent civilians in yemen for no reason. u wanna join them?
 
To be completely blunt, putting aside whatever support/sympathy I and all other Arabs have for Palestinians as fellow Arabs and my personal wish for a succesfull independent Palestinian state, the conflict (nature of it) is Israeli and Palestinian. Little if anything to do with other Arabs directly as of 2019.

Well, logic dictates that the conflict will eventually be solved.

What exactly is double-faced? The conflict could have been solved ages ago if not mainly for right-wing Israeli politicians and political parties preventing it. Does the murder of Rabin ring any bells? The Arab League has time and time again (Arab Peace Initiative etc.) proposed a settlement of the conflict and complete normalization of ties.

Israel as the stronger party (against mostly defenseless Palestinians) with all the world powers allied with itself (USA in particular but even Russia and China), should take the lead to solve the conflict. Yet not much if anything is done in this regard.

Living in the current status quo for another 70+ years, can't be ideal as an Israeli.
Why double faced?
Arab countries that hurry to boycott Israel but fail to boycott countries and parties that deal with slavery, mass-murder , sex trafficking, gay rights, executing political opposition, and much much more (against other arabs/muslims!).

The conflict would've been solved if the Palestinian wouldn't be backed by Arabs in 47-48 and accepted the partition plan.
Surely it didn't do them any good...
 
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they want pakistan to help them kill innocent civilians in yemen for no reason. u wanna join them?

Who is we? 500 million + Arabs? Nobody but some Pakistani PDF users keep blabbering about "Arabs" wanting Pakistani soldiers in Yemen. Not even any Arab politician has been mentioning it for 4+ years. In fact I don't even recall a single Arab even mentioning that possibility to begin with other than Gargash who is actually an Iranian-Emirati (of Iranian origins if I am not mistaken, at least the surname gives it away).

And nobody is killing any innocent civilians other than a terrorist cult (Houthis) that deliberately hides among civilians. Rest is war. Are you not the same guy supporting the Turkish intervention in tiny Northeastern Syria? Civilians have died there in the 100's as well. Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.

Why double faced?
Arab countries that hurry to boycott Israel but fail to boycott countries and parties that deal with slavery, mass-murder , sex trafficking, gay rights, executing political opposition, and much much more (against other arabs/muslims!).

The conflict would've been solved if the Palestinian wouldn't be backed by Arabs in 47-48 and accepted the partition plan.
Surely it didn't do them any good ain't it

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Who is we? 500 million + Arabs? Nobody but some Pakistani PDF users keep blabbering about "Arabs" wanting Pakistani soldiers in Yemen. Not even any Arab politician has been mentioning it for 4+ years. In fact I don't even recall a single Arab even mentioning that possibility to begin with other than Gargash who is actually an Iranian-Emirati (of Iranian origins if I am not mistaken, at least the surname gives it away).

And nobody is killing any innocent civilians other than a terrorist cult (Houthis) that deliberately hides among civilians. Rest is war. Are you not the same guy supporting the Turkish intervention in tiny Northeastern Syria? Civilians have died there in the 100's as well. Talk about hypocrisy and ignorance.



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