former holocaust survivor and prisoner at Auschwitz has admitted he made the story up.

[TMA]

Glad you didn't add us. We totally agree with your argument.

Well in the US I think the constitution protects freedom of expression however one has a high chance of losing his job and business should he question! Still not as bad as jail time and being a "thought-criminal".

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well in the US I think the constitution protects freedom of expression however one has a high chance of losing his job and business should he question! Still not as bad as jail time and being a "thought-criminal".

Not sure why you would lose your job over that vs anything else. You go and walk around your workplace telling everybody you enjoy hot lesbian pron or this [ethnic/racial group] should go back to [this continent] you may lose your job too.

 

[gambit]

The biggest killer in the camps was Typhus. It gives people diarrhea, they can't hold down their food, and become totally emaciated.

So let me get this straight about your thoughts...

There was a plan to round up as many Jews as possible and there can be no denying that. But in keeping them in detention, say 3 millions Jews died of starvation and disease in close confinement, 2 millions Jews died by bullets, and only a few hundred thousands died in the gas chamber, the Holocaust never occurred.

Just because there are one billion Muslims, that does not mean all of you cannot collectively be the laughing stock of the world.

This remind me of this story I have heard 4 years ago.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...now-prisoner-of-the-state-20101221-193tk.html

At first, my reaction is, why the heck would someone want to fake his own account of being a Prisoner of War? I mean, people fakes their combat history, service history, but to fake a POW history? It just wasn't in the right mind. And bear in mind that guy is not doing it for benefit.

This is what we called "Hero Worshipping" by claiming to be one of the folks that was captured by the Japanese during WW2, he has himself made up a whole story, back ground to portray himself as "one of the heroes", it probably started by him meeting actual WW2 PW and started to worship them, and progressively migrate to be one of them.

The question, however, is not his state of mind, but the fact that he have himself made it into the National President of the Ex-Prisoner association, he have met thousand upon thousand of actual POW and no one have none the wiser. He even start claiming disability from the war wound that he have not served and have not received.

Now, what that have to do with this topic?

Well, judging from the folks that speak here, since he is a fake POW, then I can safely assume the Status of POW does not exist during the pacific campaign in WW2, no Australian were ever captured by the Japanese, maybe to an extend WW2 were actually not real (Because he also claim to be a war veteran).

Now, you see my point?

There are fake veterans, busted and confessed. That means you and I were never in the military.

 

[TMA]

Not sure why you would lose your job over that vs anything else. You go and walk around your workplace telling everybody you enjoy hot lesbian pron or this [ethnic/racial group] should go back to [this continent] you may lose your job too.

Oh I meant academics and historians whose job it is to look into this, not other professionals. But maybe I am wrong.

So let me get this straight about your thoughts...

There was a plan to round up as many Jews as possible and there can be no denying that. But in keeping them in detention, say 3 millions Jews died of starvation and disease in close confinement, 2 millions Jews died by bullets, and only a few hundred thousands died in the gas chamber, the Holocaust never occurred.

Just because there are one billion Muslims, that does not mean all of you cannot collectively be the laughing stock of the world.


There are fake veterans, busted and confessed. That means you and I were never in the military.

The Holocaust is a pre-meditated, state financed plan to physically exterminate the Jews under NS control. This is what makes it "unique" in comparison to all preceeding crimes.

From http://germarrudolf.com/germars-views/an-introduction-to-historical-revisionism/#3

"First of all, because of false representations by the media, it is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism does not maintain:

• it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third Reich;
• it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
• it does not deny that Jews were deported;
• it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
• it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
• it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
• it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of reasons;
• it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted such as gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and political dissenters;
• and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned things were unjust.

None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers"

 

[Globenim]

It is very well documented, anyone who says it was a lie, is prone to falling far fake conspiracy theories.

@waz @WebMaster @Horus @WAJsal

can someone please shut this thread down?

This thread is exactly about that "documation" you talk about.

One of these "documentations" i.e. "survivor testimonies" turned out to be a lie.
Even his tatoo that is often claimed as another "documentation" of this narrative seemed to be fake.

The fact that another "documentation" turned out to be a complete lie, not even just an exageration, is not a conspiracy. Its an admitted fact.

And it's also well documented fact that this is not the first time a one of these "documentations" turns out to be a fraud.

So what are you upset about? That people may ask themself, if this man is an admitted liar, and those other people where admitted liars, and those other photos where fabrications, and those other photos where taken from unrelated places, and those "perpetrator testimonies" where made under torture and threats, stories lauded as "historical facts" by "the academics" yesterday and admitted as lies and of dubious nature today, what exactly and how much is even true about this "well documented" conspiracy?

 

[jamal18]

Incidently, let's move on to what no one wants to discuss.

1. After the war, all German military personnel were taken into custody. To avoid the Geneva convention, the Americans had them labelled as 'disarmed enemy combatants DEC' rather than 'prisoners of war POW'. These were kept in camps and basically starved. One million of these 'DEC' died while under US custody. The press don't cover that, right?

2. The food embargo on Germany, obviously in place during the war, was lifted in 1947 two years after the end of the war. The specific purpose was to starve Germans to death. In which it succeeded.

3 The biggest war crime was the bombing of German cities, where literally hundreds of thousands of German civilians were killed for no military benefit.

4. The atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two towns of zero military value, at a time when the US knew full well that the Japanese were seeking to surrender. When interviewed, the director of the Manhattan project said categorically that this was done to test the weapon. The two towns were chosen because so far they had been untouched by the war, and it was easier to gauge the effectiveness of the weapon.

 

[gambit]

Oh I meant academics and historians whose job it is to look into this, not other professionals. But maybe I am wrong.


The Holocaust is a pre-meditated, state financed plan to physically exterminate the Jews under NS control. This is what makes it "unique" in comparison to all preceeding crimes.

From http://germarrudolf.com/germars-views/an-introduction-to-historical-revisionism/#3

"First of all, because of false representations by the media, it is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism does not maintain:

• it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third Reich;
• it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
• it does not deny that Jews were deported;
• it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
• it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
• it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
• it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of reasons;
• it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted such as gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and political dissenters;
• and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned things were unjust.

None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers"

That is hilarious. The term 'The Holocaust' is used to describe an event that involves ALL of the things that revisionists do not, and cannot, deny. Historians do not say that all those Jews, whether the figure is 6 mils or less, died from the gas chambers. Simply put, about 6 million Jews died because of a systematic plan to find Jews and kill them.

Fair disclosure. I am not a Jew. In my travels while active duty USAF and in civilian life, I met plenty of Jews but only in the official capacity. I met Jews while in USAF then met Jews when I was a civilian contractor for Intel Israel. I never became close friends with any Jew, not because I have any hostile or even negative attitude about Jews and Jewry. It is just that my life's major events put me out of reach of Jews. I am 53 yrs old and I am friend with only one Jew and she lives across the US from where I currently am. She is more like a good acquaintance borders on friend.

But what happened to Jews, as a demographic, was so unique, as you had to admit, it earned some intellectual curiosity from me. Inevitably, I studied Holocaust Revisionism, which started with the white supremacists and leads to the Muslims. It is almost as if in order to be considered a 'good Muslim', a Muslim would have to at least 'question' the historical validity of the Holocaust. I quoted the word question to denote there is a facade of fairness to mask the outright denial of the Holocaust.

To me, Holocaust denial is like an average American of TODAY conditioned to deny the slavery of blacks and the wars against the Amerinds in North America when the US was in continental expansion.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the issue is not who has friendship or none friendship with Jew person, Muslims had traditionally enjoyed normal relations with that group infact gave them sanctuary (Part of history)

The argument here is quite different

1- "Why Hitler issued a decree to kick out Jews from their own Land !" , it was due to THE GROUP's pact with
governments in return for changing perception of Germans in USA
2- Death was wide spread , across all religious entities so why the soul focus on 0.0001% demographics
3- Did the German Intelligence knew about the Pact between British vs THE GROUP, in control of media in USA

0.0001% of victims of war , yet 1000, or should I say 6 Million movies , news articles and discussions

When we talk about Atrocities of war

> We can't look away from crime against humanity committed against Germany civilians living in structured cities
Most people do agree that city bombardment started by British. German response came in reluctantly with some
delay


Allegations against Germans
They deport people, Only have love for blonde blue eyes , Anti Color , Anti Christianity , Satanic

Meanwhile
British -> Had enslavement colonies
French -> Had enslavement colonies
USA -> Blacks had no legal rights (No joint schools, killed for being in white neighborhood etc )


Now don't judge where things are today 2016 , we are talking about Hitler days

Now , there is no credible evidence that suggest that there was any difference between two forces on moral grounds



The image was later "created" by Media & News papers and book writers all hired and sponsored by THE GROUP
Now it has been proven that a treaty / Agreement did exist between THE GROUP and British to run a campaign in USA , to change preceoption of people's mind against GERMANS



THE GROUP was active since 1900 , all donations being collected were actively used to buy news companies , pay writers , promoters, News operations , hire latest radio equipment to spread the influence sphere

Purpose of HOLO-COST = GENERATE perpetual donation and money for Israel

• Free donation
  
• Free money
  
• Free weapons

Today the GROUP has no treaty with anyone but its own interest

 

[TMA]

That is hilarious. The term 'The Holocaust' is used to describe an event that involves ALL of the things that revisionists do not, and cannot, deny. Historians do not say that all those Jews, whether the figure is 6 mils or less, died from the gas chambers. Simply put, about 6 million Jews died because of a systematic plan to find Jews and kill them.

Fair disclosure. I am not a Jew. In my travels while active duty USAF and in civilian life, I met plenty of Jews but only in the official capacity. I met Jews while in USAF then met Jews when I was a civilian contractor for Intel Israel. I never became close friends with any Jew, not because I have any hostile or even negative attitude about Jews and Jewry. It is just that my life's major events put me out of reach of Jews. I am 53 yrs old and I am friend with only one Jew and she lives across the US from where I currently am. She is more like a good acquaintance borders on friend.

But what happened to Jews, as a demographic, was so unique, as you had to admit, it earned some intellectual curiosity from me. Inevitably, I studied Holocaust Revisionism, which started with the white supremacists and leads to the Muslims. It is almost as if in order to be considered a 'good Muslim', a Muslim would have to at least 'question' the historical validity of the Holocaust. I quoted the word question to denote there is a facade of fairness to mask the outright denial of the Holocaust.

To me, Holocaust denial is like an average American of TODAY conditioned to deny the slavery of blacks and the wars against the Amerinds in North America when the US was in continental expansion.

But there is no documentary evidence that there was a systematic plan to physically exterminate the Jews under N.S control. This is what its proponents say makes it "unique".

"What is meant by “Holocaust” or “Shoah?”

By “Holocaust” (the Greek word for sacrifice of a burnt offering) as well as “Shoah,” which is the Hebrew word for “Catastrophe,” we mean the near total extermination of a distinct group of persons through violence. Here we are referring to Jews who lived in areas controlled by the Third Reich. Loss of citizenship, deportation, and incarceration with forced labor, things which have always existed and exist today, should not be included since they do not result in the physical destruction of these groups. In the mind of the public the opinion is often created that simply depriving Jews of civil rights during the Third Reich was part of the Holocaust. But if this were true, then depriving blacks in South Africa until the end of last century, Palestinians in Israel and the territories occupied by it, or the (partial) deprivation of civil right of Blacks and Native Americans in the USA until the middle of the 20th century would also have to be described as part of a Holocaust.


The common historical image of the Holocaust against the Jews is postulated on the following specific points:

1. An intention on the part of the National Socialist government to physically exterminate Jews;
2. An actual plan of the National Socialist government to physically exterminate the Jews;
3. A governmental agency and a budget to carry out this plan;
4. Technically refined methods of mass killing to achieve this goal, whereby homicidal gas chambers as well as mass shootings behind the Russian front would play a major role;
5. Techniques for disposing of millions of bodies; that is, crematories or pyres with adequate capacity and fuel.

Such allegations of mass murder in fast acting homicidal gas chambers followed by disposal of the bodies in adjoining crematoriums, that is, expertly planned and efficiently functioning assembly lines for homicide, are described as having been “unique” in human history. They distinguish the Holocaust from all atrocities that happened heretofore."

(bold emphasis in red added)

There is no documentary evidence or material evidence that there were homicidal gas chambers used by the N.S Germans for this purpose. All there are are survivor testimonies and Soviet manipulated evidences for the homicidal gas chamber allegations.

 

[war&peace]

Another time I met a Pakistani German girl LOL,I sat next to her she was super nice and well cool.
Anyways I Just to make a Joke said to her that I'm a nazi ,Dude after-wards she didn't even listen she got up and left : @
The reason to bring this all up is that People do not even care and hate talking about the holocaust,Its something that everyone wants to keep away from especially in Europe and Germany
Quickly on top of my head I can point out that.
Communist parties of Germany in 1920s-1930s were involved in riots which killed alot of people majority of those parties were headed by our dear old Jews.

Exactly this part bothered me the most, the censorship in most of western countries about Holocaust while they show utter disregard for other religion and religious personalities especially Jesus and Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) under the cloak of freedom of expression and speech but... holocaust remains to be taboo topic for discussion and even a punishable offence. Normally when things are protected under the laws indicate that there is less evidence to support it. So i started researching about the topic and now I'm confident that it was an extremely exaggerated and fallacious account. and forged

They weren't just killed in gas chambers, there were several methods used, such as mass executions via bullets.


And it wasn't just jews that died, roma, russians, communists, blacks, crippled people...etc.

Look, I'm not going into this history lesson, you should have been taught this at school and I know for a fact that Pakistani schools teach students about the holocaust in great detail.


either way, the thread should be shut down for the other reasons I posted.

There is counter narrative and it is difficult to trust anything and especially from the people who have a history of deception and lies ....whether it is their atrocities in Palestine, weapons of mass destruction, 9/11 ...people who have brains and think; do not buy the official versions of the stories anymore. Furthermore, now the so called "survivors" of the holocaust are admitting themselves, it was a lie so why do we need to believe something that has so much evidence against it?

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Please watch this very well made documentary by a Jewish Holocaust revisionist David Cole, thoroughly debunking the event with well established facts, critical analysis, logic and foresight.

@war&peace @TMA

@That Guy There is a thing called freedom of expression and the freedom of one's own choice to accept or reject a particular historical event only by thoroughly fact checking and doing research on both sides of the coin without any predisposed biased views and or emotional blackmailing involved so it is my humble request for you to please look at any historical event purely as an academic adventure with the concept in mind to reach for the truth and not oppress one form of knowledge as mere conspiracy theories just because you were too biased to look it up, no offense attended.

 

[araz]

It takes about 1 hour per 45kg (100 pounds) of body weight to cremate a human body in modern cremation furnaces burning at 1200 degree Celsius.

go to 17:10 to watch the specifics

Holocaust happened about 70 years ago, 9/11 happened only 15 years ago and probably was the most closely watch and documented incident but still there are/were people who used that incident for personal fake fame and possibly financial benefit

That is all fine and dandy. I even happen to be one of the people who believe that there is a lot more to 9/11 that we have not been told. However the gist of your post suggested that holocaust did not happen which I think is counterproductive. Let bygones be bygones and move on to modern times.
A

 

[gambit]

But there is no documentary evidence that there was a systematic plan to physically exterminate the Jews under N.S control. This is what its proponents say makes it "unique".

Sure, there are no such evidences...

https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation-Expanded/dp/0914153277



I will leave this discussion to the Muslims and the Chinese. I just think it is so funny that the Chinese somehow turned anti-Semites.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

I will leave this discussion to the Muslims and the Chinese. I just think it is so funny that the Chinese somehow turned anti-Semites.

Denying or accepting a historical event on the basis of critical analysis and research somehow makes one an anti-Semite?, I can assure you that I do not hate any Jew as long as he/she does not hate me in return, so please stop using such emotional black-mailing as an attempt to dilute history thank you.

 

[HeinzG]

Sure, there are no such evidences...

https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation-Expanded/dp/0914153277



I will leave this discussion to the Muslims and the Chinese. I just think it is so funny that the Chinese somehow turned anti-Semites.

Why running away....