Former DG-Rangers, Lt.Gen Rizwan Akhtar to command the ISI.

[Farah Sohail]

Does anyone here, hv any knowledge of his views...regd India? Hope, he is amongst the more anti Indian generals @balixd @Horus

 

[niaz]

One honourable member refers to “martial race”. Are we still living in the 19th Century? This is not the time of swords & axes, on this basis since Sindhis were never considered martial by the English, no Sindhi should ever be appointed a general? Gen ManekShaw was a Parsi, but he defeated martial Pathans & so called Tiger Niazi of martial race in 1971. Would you call Vietnamese a martial race? First they beat the French and then the mighty US.

Another honourable member implies that non Punjabi generals are not sons of the soil when referring to Urdu speaking generals even though Gen Zia ul Haq was born in East Punjab and also not 'son of the soil'.

Patriotism is not limited to any one of the ethnicities. All Pakistanis are equal and by definition anyone who has been born on Pakistani soil of Pakistani parents is a Pakistani, no more but no less. No one has the right to cast aspersions on anyone else’s Pakistani- ness.

It is clear that even after 67 years of independence, very few of Pakistanis consider themselves Pakistanis. They still consider themselves as Punjabis Pashtuns etc. This chauvinistic attitude broke up Pakistan in half in 1971; do we want to break up the rest? It appears that many of us are unaware of the age old maxim:

“United we stand, divided we fall”.

Regret to say that when some of the educated elite of Pakistan represented in this forum have not grown out of this narrow minded & myopic way of thinking, what do we expect of the masses?

I sincerely pray to Allah that my countrymen start considering themselves as Pakistanis and analyse merits & demerits of each Pakistani individual regardless of his language & ethnic back ground.

 

[Samlee]

What exactly is his background? Like what village, linguistic group, tribe etc? And I believe such aspects should be looked at for such posts. I believe martial races should be given the top army posts. Now a lot of you might not agree with my comment, but remember how General Musharraf(non-martial) had turned Pakistan army into an almost hijra force. I believe he personally feared the terrorists. It was general Kayani(martial Gakhar clan) who restored army's lost glory by inflicting a crushing defeat on the Taliban in Swat and Bajaur.

How Dare You Link Racism Into The Army.Do You Know That In Pre Partition Days The British Indian Army
Muslims Formed The Single Largest Percentage.After Punjabi Musalmans It Was The Hindustani Musalmans Who Made Up The Majority.If Musharraf Had Destroyed The Army Because He Was Non Martial How Do You Explain This Guy

General Mirza Aslam Baig

And This Guy

General Talat Masood

Hindustani Musalmans Were Considered A Martial Race Because They Were Descendants of Those Mughal and Turkish Armies Who Came With Shahab Ud Din Ghauri and Zaheer Ud Din Babar and Settled Around The Delhi and UP Area


Do Not Forget That During The Punjabi General Zia ul Haq's Tenure India Sneaked Up Behind Our Backs and Took Siachen.Now What Opinion Should I Form About Martial Race Punjabis.At Least The Non Martial General
Musharraf Had The Balls To Return India The Favour In Kargil.I Did Not Want To Bring Racism Into This But Your Offensive Post Left Me No Choice

 

[ghoul]

How Dare You Link Racism Into The Army.Do You Know That In Pre Partition Days The British Indian Army
Muslims Formed The Single Largest Percentage.After Punjabi Musalmans It Was The Hindustani Musalmans Who Made Up The Majority.If Musharraf Had Destroyed The Army Because He Was Non Martial How Do You Explain This Guy

General Mirza Aslam Baig

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And This Guy

General Talat Masood


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Hindustani Musalmans Were Considered A Martial Race Because They Were Descendants of Those Mughal and Turkish Armies Who Came With Shahab Ud Din Ghauri and Zaheer Ud Din Babar and Settled Around The Delhi and UP Area


Do Not Forget That During The Punjabi General Zia ul Haq's Tenure India Sneaked Up Behind Our Backs and Took Siachen.Now What Opinion Should I Form About Martial Race Punjabis.At Least The Non Martial General
Musharraf Had The Balls To Return India The Favour In Kargil.I Did Not Want To Bring Racism Into This But Your Offensive Post Left Me No Choice

Both of those guys were crappy generals just like Musharraf. And it's not about Punjabi or pathan. Urdu speakers like General Pataudi, rohilla pathans, bhopal pathans indeed belong to fighting martial races. At the same time, it wouldn't be a good idea to make a memon a general lol. And how did Musharraf return the favour? He ran away from the battlefield, leaving his soldiers to die. He also feared third class maulvis like Fazlullah. I stand by my comments. Under his leadership, army sucked as much as Iraqi army does now. General Kayani pushed the Talib back on the defensive.

One honourable member refers to “martial race”. Are we still living in the 19th Century? This is not the time of swords & axes, on this basis since Sindhis were never considered martial by the English, no Sindhi should ever be appointed a general? Gen ManekShaw was a Parsi, but he defeated martial Pathans & so called Tiger Niazi of martial race in 1971. Would you call Vietnamese a martial race? First they beat the French and then the mighty US.

Another honourable member implies that non Punjabi generals are not sons of the soil when referring to Urdu speaking generals even though Gen Zia ul Haq was born in East Punjab and also not 'son of the soil'.

Patriotism is not limited to any one of the ethnicities. All Pakistanis are equal and by definition anyone who has been born on Pakistani soil of Pakistani parents is a Pakistani, no more but no less. No one has the right to cast aspersions on anyone else’s Pakistani- ness.

It is clear that even after 67 years of independence, very few of Pakistanis consider themselves Pakistanis. They still consider themselves as Punjabis Pashtuns etc. This chauvinistic attitude broke up Pakistan in half in 1971; do we want to break up the rest? It appears that many of us are unaware of the age old maxim:

“United we stand, divided we fall”.

Regret to say that when some of the educated elite of Pakistan represented in this forum have not grown out of this narrow minded & myopic way of thinking, what do we expect of the masses?

I sincerely pray to Allah that my countrymen start considering themselves as Pakistanis and analyse merits & demerits of each Pakistani individual regardless of his language & ethnic back ground.

By martial I meant any ethnicity with a warrior history, not the colonial designated martial races. A sindhi baloch and Talpur would indeed be martial. A memon on the other hand would suck **** 90% of the times. General Niazi was one bad egg, and don't forget it was the darpok Irani/farsiwan General Yahya who called the shots.

 

[Amaa'n]

Yes they are stakeholder but they dont have a say in this - PM is more than welcome to consult his Cabinet for the said appointment - but consulting those outside the circle only shows his weakness that how pathetic of a leader he is --- end of story

Taking opinion doesn't mean taking directive....I don't know why are you finding it so hard to comprehend. You mentioned yourself is that they are a stakeholder. And consultation doesn't mean asking for their names but rather asking about their broader view on the suggested panel. Otherwise Prime minister can appoint even a civilian or a retired official as DG ISI
For example, in 1990s BB appointed a retired army man Shamsur Rehman Kallu as DG-ISI. The panel presented by COAS does not create any legal binding on the PM to strictly make a selection.

 

[SBD-3]

Yes they are stakeholder but they dont have a say in this - PM is more than welcome to consult his Cabinet for the said appointment - but consulting those outside the circle only shows his weakness that how pathetic of a leader he is --- end of story

Phir wohi toti hue tape....He not only consulted his cabinate but also other political parties and the representatives of media to get a border view on the subject. Its shows strength and inclusive decision making where the broader input from stakeholders leader to better information and thus better decision making....

 

[Icarus]

@Icarus @Rashid Mahmood @fatman17 @Hyperion

Any comments on this, gentlemen?

DG-Rangers becoming Spymaster of Pakistan in such crucial times?

What are your views

He's got a hang of anti-terrorist operations across the country already, I think he can put that experience to good use in his new position.

 

[Green Arrow]

Ofcourse he is appointed by the PM. Hopefully & definitely he is not going to please NS like other 'Noora League' supporters.

Yes off course, he does not need to please any one. The best thing for him is to stick with his role and responsibilities and act accordingly.

 

[Shahmir]

By "Sheeda Talli" you mean Sheikh Rasheed do you? Well he's the most beghairat person in Pakistan and also the biggest coward. Why do people take him seriously. He prides himself on having funded Kashmir "Jihad" camp, while is too much of a p**** to go on a Jihad himself. No offense, but I literally hate some Kashmiris like Hamid Mir and Sheikh Rasheed. They promote and propagate Kashmir Jihad all the time, but wouldn't ever go on it themselves. It's like they always need brainwashed kids from KPK and Punjab to fight their wars. "Phattu" log.

I also hate Hamid Mir , a traitor of my kashmiri race, he is more interested in becoming spokesman of terrorist balochis who are among missing people of balochistan because they massacred countless non-balochis (particularly settlers from punjab) and also have destroyed precious infrastructure of gas pipelines and raliway networks in balochistan. Also this beghairat went to bangladesh to receive a medal of traitorship for the role of his father in 1971 from the bangladesh government. He also likes to kiss the *** of hindus in india, I seriously feel that such kind of characters have some low class blood in their veins, khandani people never behave in this way irrespective of whichever race they belong to, they adhere to the concept of honour which these beghairat people never value at all. I have a strong feeling that it all boils down to the blood running in one's vein.

Doesnt matter --- they are stakeholders but not the decision makers and should not have a say in this

Media is neither stakeholder nor decision maker anywhere in the civilised world , it is dog actually a watchdog only.

 

[Rank]

 

[Samandri]

DG Sahab ... Karachi ka mess khatam kar den ... Paaaaaaallllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Karachi's mess is MQM.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Does anyone here, hv any knowledge of his views...regd India? Hope, he is amongst the more anti Indian generals @balixd @Horus

he's an intelligence officer so he'll be "well-versed" on threats and making threat assesments and how to respond

that's all that needs to be said

 

[Green Arrow]

[Media is neither stakeholder nor decision maker anywhere in the civilised world , it is dog actually a watchdog only.[/quote]

Making Media a stakeholder in decision making will have a bad effect on national security.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

has deep knowledge of intelligence matters esp. karachi related.

as is the case with his silent but deadly predecessor

good move and a good choice, in my humble view

 

[Amaa'n]

Making Media a stakeholder in decision making will have a bad effect on national security.

anyone who will be directly effected by the decisions of the Leadership is a Stakeholder - in otherwords, you and i are stakeholders, and keeping us on board is their duty - but then there are certain decisions are to be kept away from stakeholders- and this is one of those cases ---