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Forgotten Hero of Islam: Alp Arslan

You are an uneducated fool. Change your point of vantage and attitude, you might become wiser, if you don't insistently remain ignorant


Is that why Jews fled to our Empire during their persecution? Your knowledge of history is laughable at best, which im sorry to say.


When you behead children for refusing to convert to Islam it is clear what you stand for and that ISIS is today's Ottoman empire,that's why Turkey sees them as partners and friends.
 
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When you behead children for refusing to convert to Islam it is clear what you stand for and that ISIS is today's Ottoman empire,that's why Turkey sees them as partners and friends.
Oh please, at that time women in Europe were burned alive for witchcraft, tied and thrown into water to see if they survive which would indicate they were witches, (they all were innocent obviously).
Millions got tortured and killed by church throught inquisitions.
Look throught Wiki, Europe developed one of the most ''advanced'' and barbaric methods of torturing and executions.
And im not even pointing out their deeds in their colonies which happened in relatively recent history.

But yeah it was only muslim Ottomans that were barbaric, typical right wing idiocy, i have seen enough of your pack, only good for dividing the society into ''us'' and ''them''.
 
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and whom says it's "forgotten" , the story of alp arsalan is better known in iran than that of Salahuddin'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Perso-Turkic_War



Result Turko-Byzantine victory






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_migration

Concerning the cultural genesis of the Huns, the Cambridge Ancient History of China asserts: "Beginning in about the eighth century BC, throughout inner Asia horse-riding pastoral communities appeared, giving origin to warrior societies." These were part of a larger belt of "equestrian pastoral peoples" stretching from the Black Sea to Mongolia, and known to the Greeks as theScythians.[3] The Scythians in the west were Iranian, speaking one among very many languages ultimately descended fromProto-Indo-European, whose speakers themselves are also hypothesised to have occupied the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, according to the leading theory of Indo-European origins, the Kurgan model. The communities of the northern belt north of China, a historically Inner Mongolia region were the Proto-Xiongnu were.


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Mongol invasion of Central Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Central_Asia

The Mongol invasion of Central Asia occurred after the unification of the Mongol and Turkic tribes on theMongolian plateau in 1206. It was finally complete when Genghis Khan conquered the Khwarizmian Empire in 1221.

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Where they originally came from :


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This was the Ottoman empire,and this was how we kept our faith.......with pain and sacrifice....


Death and sanctification in eastern orthodoxy[edit]
The circumstances and facts of Constantin's death are history, his santification recognized in all The Eastern Orthodox Church.

Dragoș Ungureanu, a specialist at The National Patrimony Institute makes "a clear distinction between the holiness status of Prince Brâncoveanu and the same quality of some European monarchs who haven’t suffered a martyr's death. Brâncoveanu was canonized for his and his son’s martyrdom, just like the Christians martyrdom in ancient Rome, killed for their faith in Christ. And just like other Christian martyrs, Brâncoveanu had to choose between his and his son’s death and the denial of Christ, (in their case, by converting to Islam). His character, the nature of his relations with the others, the unexpected events of life brought, against his will, in this strange, even shocking situation for the year 1714"[1]

On 15 august 1714, Saint Mary Feast, when also Constantin Brâncoveanu celebrated 60 years he and his four sons among with counselor Ianache were brought in front of Sultan Ahmed The Third of Turkey. Diplomatical representatives of Austria, Russia, France and England were also present. Here is what history remembers: After all of his fortunes were taken, in change of the life of his family he was asked to renounce at the orthodox-christian fate. He reportedly said: ″Behold, all my fortunes and all I had, I have lost! Let us not lose our souls. Be brave and manly, my beloved! Ignore death. Look at Christ, our Savior, how much has endured for us and with what shamefull death has died. Strongly believe in this and do not move, nor do you leave your faith for this life and this world.″ After this, his four sons, Constantin, Ștefan, Radu and Matei and counselor Ianache were beheaded in front of their father. [2]

History records also that the smallest child, Matei (12 years old) he was so scared after seeing all the bloodbath and heads of his three brothers that he started crying asking his father to let him renounce christianity and convert to islam as sultan Ahmed The Third asked in front of all the great powers represented there. At this moment, Constantin Brâncoveanu said: "From our kind nobody lost his faith. It is better to dye a thousand times than to leave your ancient faith just to live few more years on earth." Matei listened and offered his head. After Brâncoveanu was also decapitated, her heads were stabbed with a javelin and shown in a procession. Their bodies were left in the front of the gate and later on thrown in the waters of Bosfor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Brâncoveanu#Death_and_sanctification_in_eastern_orthodoxy



@Vauban @vostok .......just a reminder as in another thread I've mentioned how others sold their faith in the Balkans


Were the invasions from "Christian" regional powers (e.g. Nazi Germany) any less harsh on Eastern Europeans? Religion is just one of the 'excuses', among others, used to put down pockets of resistance.

I've recently seen the Russian movie "Come and See" - if it's got any factual basis, the German army targeted children specifically to put an end to 'Untermenschen races'. So the 'Christian' regional powers weren't any better towards the little ones.
 
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Were the invasions from "Christian" regional powers (e.g. Nazi Germany) any less harsh on Eastern Europeans? Religion is just one of the 'excuses', among others, used to put down pockets of resistance.

I've recently seen the Russian movie "Come and See" - if it's got any factual basis, the German army targeted children specifically to put an end to 'Untermenschen races'. So the 'Christian' regional powers weren't any better towards the little ones.


Oh,they were bad,no arguing there but psychologically speaking it's one thing to think of 5 years of war,10 years of opression vs 400-500 years.Say what you will about the Germans,at least they had expressed remorse after WW2 .
 
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Pretty sure they've "enjoyed" the genocide inflicted by the Turks later.Sure dude,everyone was happy whenconquered by muslims.Heck,we saw in the Fetih Turkish movie,the Byzantine civilians greated the sultan and there was no widespread looting in the city.......Jeez,the amount of propaganda fed to you....

Its best if you stay on topic; venturing out of your protective circle will only get you embarrassed.

May I remind you about the genocides Europeans have committed? Although the 'Armenian' genocide was 100 years ago; Europeans have been committing genocides as late as 1990's.

I can remind you about the Holocaust, American Genocide, Slave trade, Belgium colonial genocide, Bosnian Genocide and so many more - but we arent here to speak about genocides.

We've also seen movies about the Crusades which make no mention about what Crusaders did when they conquered Jerusalem. They killed and ate everyone in the city - once they were tired; they forced the remains to convert to Christianity; what is even more sad is that they also slaughtered and ate Christian residents. How disgusting and barbaric.

We have no reason to explain conquest of Constantinople and the 'Armenian genocide' - we arent angels; but I thank god - we never stooped down to your disgusting and barbaric levels.

A homeless man shouldnt be laughing at a man with a small house - he has no right to.
 
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Its best if you stay on topic; venturing out of your protective circle will only get you embarrassed.

May I remind you about the genocides Europeans have committed? Although the 'Armenian' genocide was 100 years ago; Europeans have been committing genocides as late as 1990's.

I can remind you about the Holocaust, American Genocide, Slave trade, Belgium colonial genocide, Bosnian Genocide and so many more - but we arent here to speak about genocides.

We've also seen movies about the Crusades which make no mention about what Crusaders did when they conquered Jerusalem. They killed and ate everyone in the city - once they were tired; they forced the remains to convert to Christianity; what is even more sad is that they also slaughtered and ate Christian residents. How disgusting and barbaric.

We have no reason to explain conquest of Constantinople and the 'Armenian genocide' - we arent angels; but I thank god - we never stooped down to your disgusting and barbaric levels.

A homeless man shouldnt be laughing at a man with a small house - he has no right to.


I can't help but laugh at your ideeas.

All the way up to 1900 hundreds Europe was fighting Islamic enslavement of Europeans from where a 1-1.25 million where enslaved by Muslims. This brutal slave trade was practiced throughout most of the Muslims world and of course it was sanctioned and allowed by the Quran and the example of the Prophet Muhammad source. Men, women, and children were captured, to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned on the European coastal line. These endless barbaric quest where stopped by the 2 Barbary wars and European conquest and subordination of the region by European powers. Countries where literally taken over and the population were free from slave hood which the Muslims have practiced over 1000 years. Source.

On a side note Islamic enslavement was different from what was shortly practiced by imperial European powers where Africans worked and kept a family. Islamic enslavement included forced prostitution and castration and was done to non-muslims and sanctioned by Islam.



Before the enslavement of Europeans which occurred between 1500-1900 the islamic caliphate was aggressive expanding and threatening European security and even survival of certain states. This resulted in multiple crusades to force back the Islamic conquest.



This is the mindset that we still see in prevalent in Islamic societies that they are a superior master race or tribe. Liberalism and tolerance doesn't not exists (besides Turkish west coast and educated Iranians). That is why we see:

  • attacks on Christians, Jews, Buddhists and others
  • attacks, sex harassment and rape of non-muslims women
  • attacks and racism against different races
  • lack of respect for our law, values and societies
  • terrorism against our societies


If you look at the Islamic-Western history the vast cultural and religious clashes can easily be explained and understood. We are to completely opposite civilisations and we have been forced to defend ourselves from Islamic conquest or attacks in around 800 years. If you look at the crime statistics and terrorism this continues to this day.
 
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I can't help but laugh at your ideeas.

All the way up to 1900 hundreds Europe was fighting Islamic enslavement of Europeans from where a 1-1.25 million where enslaved by Muslims. This brutal slave trade was practiced throughout most of the Muslims world and of course it was sanctioned and allowed by the Quran and the example of the Prophet Muhammad source. Men, women, and children were captured, to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned on the European coastal line. These endless barbaric quest where stopped by the 2 Barbary wars and European conquest and subordination of the region by European powers. Countries where literally taken over and the population were free from slave hood which the Muslims have practiced over 1000 years. Source.

On a side note Islamic enslavement was different from what was shortly practiced by imperial European powers where Africans worked and kept a family. Islamic enslavement included forced prostitution and castration and was done to non-muslims and sanctioned by Islam.



Before the enslavement of Europeans which occurred between 1500-1900 the islamic caliphate was aggressive expanding and threatening European security and even survival of certain states. This resulted in multiple crusades to force back the Islamic conquest.



This is the mindset that we still see in prevalent in Islamic societies that they are a superior master race or tribe. Liberalism and tolerance doesn't not exists (besides Turkish west coast and educated Iranians). That is why we see:

  • attacks on Christians, Jews, Buddhists and others
  • attacks, sex harassment and rape of non-muslims women
  • attacks and racism against different races
  • lack of respect for our law, values and societies
  • terrorism against our societies


If you look at the Islamic-Western history the vast cultural and religious clashes can easily be explained and understood. We are to completely opposite civilisations and we have been forced to defend ourselves from Islamic conquest or attacks in around 800 years. If you look at the crime statistics and terrorism this continues to this day.

But not every "muslim" should pay the price for what the Turks did , what for example i have to do with the turks at all ? i traveled to europe myself and there people have more respect for turks than us
 
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"Seljuk Sultan Alp Arslan’s tomb about to be found in Merv, say experts

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Crucial developments came to light regarding excavation efforts carried out by the sponsorship of Turkish Cooperation and Coordination Agency (TİKA) to find the tomb of the second Sultan of the Seljuk Empire, Alp Arslan, in Turkmenistan's historic city of Merv, also known as Mary.

Prof Dr. Osman Eravşar, one of the cochairs of finding Sultan Alp Arslan's tomb project and a professor in the Department of Literature in Turkey's Selçuk University, told the Anadolu Agency that a protocol was signed by Turkish President Abdullah Gül and his Turkmen counterpart Gurbanguli Berdimuhamedov to find Sultan Alparslan's tomb and initiate a tomb reconstruction project in March 30, 2013.

A workshop was organized by TİKA's initiative in Turkey before geophysical researches were made in the province of Merv. "We have found some tiles and architectural pieces. We think that they belong to Seljuk architecture. An epitaph found among those pieces is what excites us most. No matter how ruined it is, we could find out where the tomb is on condition that we find missing parts of the epitaph," Eravşar said.

Eravşar also emphasized that the project has been carried out following a comprehensive examination of resources which belong to the Middle Ages by numerous scientists. As a result of those examinations, the first scientific council was appointed to search for the exact place of the tomb. In this respect, mapping analyses were carried out. "For us, the previous committee has identified five different points about the possible place of the tomb. We read studies carried out before us to try to understand what has been done until now. Finding both resources, 'Where could this tomb be?' we asked, we had discussions about it. In fact, the medieval sources clearly say that Sultan Alparslan was buried into a Cuma (Friday) Mosque. Sources of the era show that Sultan Alp Arslan's funeral was brought to Merv and buried into the Cuma Mosque. With this in mind, we asked again 'Which Cuma Mosque could the Sultan be buried in?' Because there are three Cuma Mosques in Merv. One of them is Ben-i Mahan Cuma Mosque, the other one Mescid-i Atik and the last one is Macan Cuma Mosque."

Two other co-chairs, Professor Halit Çal from Gazi University and Professor Haşim Karpuz from Selçuk University were assigned for the project as well. Professor Çal also gave some technical information about the excavations, saying that, "15 scientists and 70 workers were appointed for the project as well as five scientists from Turkmenistan." Authorities from the Ministry of Culture of Turkmenistan are also a part of the excavations.

Stating that English and Russian scientists had also carried out some excavations to find the tomb, Eravşar said that what they found so far are small clues and highlighted that, "If we combine our information in the future with what we found now, we can say that we are very close to finding Sultan Alparslan's tomb. It is hard to say so for now, but we think that we are in the right place since we started excavating. We believe that we are looking for the tomb in the right place."

One another co-chair of the project, Professor Karpuz, also emphasized that they have already excavated 47 meters, adding, "Excavations will be carried out in two different periods this year, the first one will start in May. " He stated that after some regular excavations, they made huge progress within a year, while it normally takes fifteen years." Daily Sabah

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- Alp Arslan: “What would you do if I was brought before you as a prisoner?”

- Romanus: “Perhaps I’d kill you, or exhibit you in the streets of Constantinople.

- Alp Arslan:
“My punishment is far heavier. I forgive you, and set you free”

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Thank you so much for sharing this, i am quite old guy but never knew about this hero...thanks again
 
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All the way up to 1900 hundreds Europe was fighting Islamic enslavement of Europeans from where a 1-1.25 million where enslaved by Muslims.
I said we arent angels; no one are angels - Slavery was a common practice; it was the profession of thousands. People of all faith, nations and ethnicities practiced it. I said this before and i'll say it again; I thank god that we never stooped down to your disgusting and barbaric level.

Compare 1.25 million to 60 million Africans. This was 1500s-1800s not 2016; slavery was common and considered norm - but not in the way Europeans practiced it - in a merciless, inhumane and sick way; you (Europeans; not fake Europeans - aka Romanians) racist monsters used the bible to justify slavery and viewed Africans as animals sent by god to do the bidding of Humans. At Least we acknowledged slaves as humans.

This brutal slave trade was practiced throughout most of the Muslims world and of course it was sanctioned and allowed by the Quran and the example of the Prophet Muhammad source.
The amount of Africans killed in the slave trade is 10 times more than the amount of slaves Muslims ever captured. Around 10 Million Africans were killed in the slave trade. So please tell me; which one was more brutal?
Like I said; a homeless man shouldn't be laughing at a house with a broken door.

Muhammad (SAW) and his companions freed over 39,900 slaves in their lifetime; the only slaves the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had were those who refused to be freed - that wouldnt even be considered slavery.
Freeing a slave gets rid of all the sins you have committed in your life; as per Islam.

Men, women, and children were captured, to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned on the European coastal line. These endless barbaric quest where stopped by the 2 Barbary wars and European conquest and subordination of the region by European powers. Countries where literally taken over and the population were free from slave hood which the Muslims have practiced over 1000 years. Source.
Ooh boo hoo; It is perfectly fine for Europeans to practice slavery - but not the rest of the world. What kind of a shit logic is this? You call us barbaric for being responsible of 1 million European slaves yet you completely forget the 60 million African slaves and 10 million African slaves who died.

Before the enslavement of Europeans which occurred between 1500-1900 the islamic caliphate was aggressive expanding and threatening European security and even survival of certain states. This resulted in multiple crusades to force back the Islamic conquest.
Why do you think that era was apart of the Age of Imperialism? Empires grew and fell; The Islamic Caliphate grew because of the actions of nations around it. You really think several Arab tribes could be capable of capturing half the world? They thought so as well; but through miraculous victories they became an invincible force - by that time Imperialism was indoctrinated within the Islamic Caliphate.

Europeans launched Crusades = They lost the Balkans
Byzantines refused to take action against Ghassanids = They lost constantinople
ect...

On a side note Islamic enslavement was different from what was shortly practiced by imperial European powers where Africans worked and kept a family. Islamic enslavement included forced prostitution and castration and was done to non-muslims and sanctioned by Islam.
Oh yes, Africans were treated and loved by their superior European masters; they were treated in the best possible way.
That is why 10 million slaves were killed.

Compared to Barbaric Muzlums

"Once taken as slaves, they had to be dealt with in accordance with the Islamic law which was the law of the Islamic state, especially during the Umayyad and Abbasid eras.[citation needed] According to that law, slaves were allowed to earn their living if they opted for that, otherwise it is the owner’s (master) duty to provide for that. They also could not be forced to earn money for their masters unless with an agreement between the slave and the master. This concept is called مخارجة (mukhārajah) (Lane: "And خَارَجَهُ He made an agreement with him, namely, his slave that he (the latter) should pay him a certain impost at the expiration of every month; the slave being left at liberty to work: in which case the slave is termed عَبْدٌ مُخَارِجٌ") in Islamic law. If slaves agree to that and they would like the money they earn to be counted toward their emancipation, then this has to be written in the form of a contract between the slave and the master. "

The average length a Muslim slave master would hold onto his slave would be 3-4 years until the slave bought his freedom.



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Please stop, you're just embarrassing yourself. Stop going off-topic; we're here to discuss about Alp Arslan not hear your brain farts.
 
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