I disagree that the Babri Masjid need not have been protected/had to be demolished. It was merely a reminder of times gone by when victors would stoop to dengerate levels to prove their victory, often desecrating symbols of veneration in the local culture. But to rake it up and basically re-run the whole episode in modern times was simply unnecessary, abhorrent even.
By doing exactly what the invaders did to us to our own people, we ended up proving that we are no different from a Babar or a Ghazni or a Ghauri. A magnificent Ram Temple could have been built somewhere else in Ayodhya if the purpose really was to honour Sri Ram.
No,you dont understand the idea of a temple.
Old wounds have to be healed by undoing them,in this case the masjid had to go,so do the ones of kashi n mathura.
The destroyed temples have been in this spot for hundreds of years and this spot is specifically chosen by our forefathers for building the temple.
A temple is an abode of god,a mosque is a prayerhall.
please know the difference first.
I slightly disagree with this view that mosques which had been build upon the ruins of ancient Hindu,Jain temples or Synagogues should not be protected. If we belonged to an Ideal state where spirit of plurality, religious liberty were respected and preserved with full authority by its rulers, perhaps there should not have been an need for protection of these sacred places. Unfortunately, rulers (over all in the sub continent) have surrendered to the fanatics for short term goals which in at length have made the foundation of its states a fragile one.
If, as you said my friend, structure like Babri is a provocation to human conscience and liability to a nation then I must admit, that nation is still a prisoner of medieval orthodoxy, its society is still regressive and human minds are still prejudiced with radical bigotry. Unfortunately, when suddenly a group of men in India realized after 400 years that Babri is a liability on its soil, it proved that its far from being that ideal nation state.
Dont impose your atheism on other people,also dont confuse between an atheistic state and a secular state.
Even the hardcore atheists of communist russia protected their orthodox cathedrals with equal fervour.
Oye! This is more an international forum than a Pakistani forum! You want Pakistani (ultra-type) forum? Go to pakdef. They do not tolerate even democrats like me. They are total military-heads there. They eat Indians like popcorn.
I must make a note of your noble sentiments here. But you really need not think about PDF being a 'Pakistani' forum. Relax, this is your home away from home.
BTW, I should say something about Ram Mandir: If Babri Masjid was indeed built atop a destroyed temple, then it need not be protected. All that hullabaloo was unnecessary in my view. Any mosque that is built by destroying a house of worship of another religion is basically a liability and a provocation. The whole world is a mosque in a sense, why bicker about location of a single one?
exactly jenaab,the two finest mosques in India,The biggest that is the Jumma Masjid and the oldest that is the cheraman masjid in kerala,we have no issues with them.
But only with the 3 in UP.
Talk about reality, not theories, in practice Hinduism has some really disgusting kinds of discrimination in the name of caste.
You understand nothing about logic. By your logic if British rule was really oppressive then all Indians would have stood up against it, didn't happen, na?
There could be many reasons for conversions, one of the many reasons is mistreatment of the lower caste Hindus by the upper caste Hindus, that's a fact.
And if you really had minimum sense of decency & respect left in you, then you wouldn't have called the converts rats. Even if someone has converted on his own by loving another religion, it is his personal preference which should be respected, and instead of finding faults in the converts, we should introspect if the fault is within us.
You know nothing about rural India, you are living in the world of delusions.
And I am again advising you to not attack ethnicity here, I very well understand that you are a racist bigot, but things will get really dirty if everybody starts attacking each other for being Bengali, Tamil, Malayali, Bihari, Hariyanbhi, Assamese, etc. and that too in a Pakistani forum. Sorry to say, but people like you are the biggest liability of my country.
so now you say the real facts,one of the reasons for conversion is caste issues,not the one and only problem as many people propogate here.
Hindutva movement & RSS has worked very hard to prevent caste violence and thats why most Kshatriyas support the congress and not the BJP until now.
I dont care if some guy converts for whatever reason,real or flimsy but if he then starts spitting on his own forefathers,he pretty much invites a confrontation.
I didn't call all converts Rats,i called those ones specifically who have no social conciousness and merely look to take profit of any oppurtunity they get.
I know more than enough about Rural India,you dont squat about what i know.
and your advise is irrelevant,stop giving dhamki,u dont have auqaat to do so.
people who know me know whether am an asset or liability,if you are the kind who classifies people as asset n liability,u can sure go ahead and find out who ll figure as the biggest lazy slob nawabi liabilities of India.
The ones who make babies in dozens and then complain of no development.
The ones who want 4 biwis but dont even have 4000 rupees.
I like reading stuff and debating and everything but I know that if and when I am in trouble they will only have words for it. Pakistan and Bangladesh is good example. A hundred liberals can come and tell me to give up my Beretta and trust my neighboring districts, but in the end I know they will not come to help or not be able to do anything (other than writing a sentimental obituary).
I don't mean to be rude - just offering clarity. I don't like being vague and off the mark.
