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NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force's (IAF) Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) - Tejas, which has been in the making since 1983 and is expected to join the force by March, 2015, still suffers from some teething problems.

Some of the modifications that IAF has to make on the Tejas include pushing back the cockpit panels by few centimeters to prevent the toes of an ejecting pilot from getting entangled with instruments and aides and adding another 60 centimetres in length to the aircraft body to allow easy access and replacements of critical circuitry.

Apart from these critical changes, the IAF and State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in the process of shaving off about 550 kilograms from the aircraft, making it lighter and adding more power to it.

Senior Defence Ministry officials told NDTV that the LCA Mark-I is still somewhat far from being given any operational duty. The aircraft is expected to replace the Russian-made MiG-21 aircrafts which have already been decommissioned.

"There are several changes that are being carried out," senior IAF officials told NDTV.

On Wednesday, the first of the aircraft, built to series production, completed a 25-minute-long sortie. The Tejas LCA is expected to cost the Indian exchequer Rs. 50,000 crore.

Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Arup Raha told reporters today, "I think things will be fall in place. The first limited series production of LCA has already flown based on IOC II (Initial operational clearance). We are sure that teething problems of LCA will get over soon."

Drawing attention to the depleting fighter fleet of the IAF, Air Marshal Raha said that "the draw down has to be prevented by quick induction by induction of LCA and MMRCA." The "draw down" that Air Marshal Raha refers to is the phasing out of legacy planes like the MiG 21.

Sources said several "test points" and operational parameters still need to be validated by the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification in Bangalore, ensuring that the process would take at least 12 months for completion. The LCA continues to be riddled by inadequacies and problems in integrating its radars and sensors.

"Training manuals, maintenance manuals haven't yet been prepared," an officer said adding that "the IAF expects the first squadron to be available by 2017-18."

Sources told NDTV that prior to the modifications, pilots with shoe size nine or above would have found it impossible to eject in an emergency.

"The feet would get stuck preventing a clean bail out," the officer said.

Also, critical circuits and parts that could require replacements were placed so deep inside the aircraft body that the turn-around time between sorties varied between two to three hours - considered to be exceptionally long.

"The length of the aircraft was increased to rearrange the circuits and parts to allow easy access and faster replacement," the officer added.

The first squadron of the LCA Tejas is scheduled to be based in Sulur in Tamil Nadu.

"Since there are several issues that need to be sorted, the first few jets will be based in Bangalore alongside Hal to allow for faster problem solving," officials said.

Sources said that the IAF is pinning its hopes not on the LCA Mark I but on advanced LCA (Mark-II) to replace its ageing fleet of MiG-21 variants. The LCA Mark-II or second generation of LCA is expected to have a better design besides a more powerful engine - General Electric GE-414. This is expected to generate as much as 90-96 kN thrust as against the current engines - GE-IN20 which generate only about 80-85kN thrust.

The LCA Mark-II is scheduled for flight trials by 2018. The IAF, however, feels that trials will be delayed by at least two if not three years as the current platform will have to undergo major re-engineering to accommodate the heavier GE 414 engines.

For Tejas, a Long Way to Go Before it Protects the Indian Skies
 
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NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force's (IAF) Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) - Tejas, which has been in the making since 1983 and is expected to join the force by March, 2015, still suffers from some teething problems.

Wow, since 1983.. this is 32 years of development. No wonder it look obsolete when its inducted. Its because its a 1980s design base on Mirage 2000. Now, stop getting on my case that this plane is obsolete, its just the shape of the plane is so 80s. Like the big hair, break dancing and good teen age movies.
 
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Not a sight of the usual noisy bunch?:D

The LCA Mark-II is scheduled for flight trials by 2018。。。。。。

LOL!Not in your wildest dreams。

2022 more likely if ever。

As for IOC,2028 the earliest。。。。。FOC?God knows。。。。when。。。;)
 
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So even after 30 years in making, it's still suffering from teething problems, most aircraft complete their life span in this period..... gives a whole new meaning to next generation.

Some of the modifications that IAF has to make on the Tejas include pushing back the cockpit panels by few centimeters to prevent the toes of an ejecting pilot from getting entangled with instruments

Perhaps they thought, Tejas is so reliable, there will never be an emergency for the pilot.
 
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So even after 30 years in making, it's still suffering from teething problems, most aircraft complete their life span in this period..... gives a whole new meaning to next generation.



Perhaps they thought, Tejas is so reliable, there will never be an emergency for the pilot.

You said something? Last time I checked you still have those F7s flying.
 
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@GURU DUTT, In your emotional excitement, i think some times you do forget, where you are and making all these chest thumping claims. It's alright for you to demean others but anything Indian is something of a holy grail.
Who knows what will happen tomorrow but do remember that it was the so called cheap Chinese copy (F-6/MiG-19) that even managed to shoot down your original cash paid MiG-21.
 
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Reality check, last heard we needed the following 6 parameters to get FOC.
1.AutoCannon integration.
2.BVR capability (derby).
3.Quartz nose radome.-CHeck
4.AOA increase.-Check
5. A2A capability.- Check
6. Braking upg.-Check

Any idea about the others?
 
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i dont get it

on one hand pakistanies make fun of LCAs capabilities and credentials while on the other hand think LCA is waste of indian tax payers money

why are pakistanies so much bothered about there prime enemies money bieng wasted in a so called "obsolete fighter" ?

thing is LCA is an indian fighter and we are not asking fr pakistanies or chinese to donate money for its R&D or upgrading so all pakistani members please try to get your nation on trak rather than dreaming and pointing fingers at india

What an argument.. you have perfectly pictured Indian's on this Forum..All they do is whining about this and that related to Pakistan and one wonder's why,but you explained your country mate's problem rather good..:lol:
 
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i dont get it

on one hand pakistanies make fun of LCAs capabilities and credentials while on the other hand think LCA is waste of indian tax payers money

why are pakistanies so much bothered about there prime enemies money bieng wasted in a so called "obsolete fighter" ?

thing is LCA is an indian fighter and we are not asking fr pakistanies or chinese to donate money for its R&D or upgrading so all pakistani members please try to get your nation on trak rather than dreaming and pointing fingers at india

as for LCA signals have already started to come owt that private players will make it and this thing was in process for at least three years onli now its coming into publik notice

LCA maybe late but its worth the wight as its not going to battle against F35 or F22 but against cheap chinese copies and that too under umbrella of M2Ks, MKIs and Rafales & fulkrums backed by most potent AWACs and ground based radars and sat cover so we are not bothered why are pakistanies so intreuged about it ;)

@GURU DUTT, In your emotional excitement, i think some times you do forget, where you are and making all these chest thumping claims. It's alright for you to demean others but anything Indian is something of a holy grail.
Who knows what will happen tomorrow but do remember that it was the so called cheap Chinese copy (F-6/MiG-19) that even managed to shoot down your original cash paid MiG-21.

On a it's day a herd of wild dogs can hunt a Lion. One or two exceptions do not make better equipment a waste. So let's accept that IAF have quantitative and qualitative edge over PAF.

Does this edge guarantee zero loss for IAF in case real war situation "NO",but PAF will have to fight for its survival.
 
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What an argument.. you have perfectly pictured Indian's on this Forum..All they do is whining about this and that related to Pakistan and one wonder's why,but you explained your country mate's problem rather good..:lol:
well now that is what i call "the pot is calling the kettle black" ;)

well bro for the last time im telling you that we dont need LCA as a first strike or air superiorty fighter against pakistan that job has already been reserved for jags , M2ks & Mig 29s backed by Mighty Mki as for LCA it will all its live fight under the shadows of big boys of the IAF ... good day sir
 
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Some of the modifications that IAF has to make on the Tejas include pushing back the cockpit panels by few centimeters to prevent the toes of an ejecting pilot from getting entangled with instruments and aides and adding another 60 centimetres in length to the aircraft body to allow easy access and replacements of critical circuitry.
looks like both IAF and HAL are not on same page. why this is not raised during IOC?? or IAF is coming every time with new requirements perhaps they want all advance feature in same plane.
when design was freezed.. where was IAF sleeping?? i guess they are not interested in Mark 1.....
 
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Some of the modifications that IAF has to make on the Tejas include pushing back the cockpit panels by few centimeters to prevent the toes of an ejecting pilot from getting entangled with instruments...
Apart from these critical changes, the IAF and State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are in the process of shaving off about 550 kilograms from the aircraft, making it lighter and adding more power to it.
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On a it's day a herd wild dogs too can hunt a Lion. One or two exceptions do not make better equipment a waste. So let's accept that IAF have quantitative and qualitative edge over PAF.
Reminds me of how the Indian members often gang up and hunt in packs to salvage some pride......in any case, from the past experience one can't conclude that it was just a matter of a few exceptions.
Does this edge guarantee zero loss for IAF in case real war situation "NO",but PAF will have to fight for its survival.
Well, PAF waited in 2002 and again in 2008.......not sure who is surviving and who is shying away.
 
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