For Tejas, a Long Way to Go Before it Protects the Indian Skies

[Alfa-Fighter]

which tata brand, Jaguar or Land Rover?

Land rover can move on any Terrain like mountain or jungle or muddy etc while Posche will stuck ...

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@Windjammer
Do you think PAF is that eager to meet IAF in forseeable future??? We are not that eager to go to war with pakistan, not because we are afraid of you, but for the fact that it will destruction to Indian economy, loss of life will be huge, sanctions will be imposed & all the hard work put into makung India 3rd largest economy in the world will go invain. Even if we beat Pakistaani armed forces & occupy Pakistaan it will be of what use when Your population will go on fighting gurrila warfare, every day we will loose soldiers to ambush, bombing etc just like USA faces in Afganistan & Iraq. This being said, taking into account, last ditch desparate nuke attack never happens. A war with Pakistaan is a loose loose situation for Our armed forces, we have nothing to gain what so ever.
As long as we maintain our territorial integrity, We are happy. I hope one day , we can live in peace, but thats not going to happen atleast in the near future, as neither Pakistaan is willing to give up its dream of capturing Kashmir, nor we will be giving up an inch.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

J10b fuselage is very promising, DSI and canard, blended wing body. When you compare Tejas with J10b, it's like comparing TATA with Posche.

Canard is only shows that the wings are insufficient to make the plane agile and its not a good sign and DSI is not super duper technology which can't be match with other design. ...............

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@wanglaokan
Its Porche mate, Not poche.

 

[Windjammer]

Canard is only shows that the wings are insufficient to make the plane agile and its not a good sign and DSI is not super duper technology which can't be match with other design. ...............

Then can the same be said about EF Typhoon, Gripen, Rafale and wait for it....the MKI....as they all come with canards.... one wonders why they have gone into trouble of introducing DSI into the latest toy....no not JF-17 but F-35.

 

[帅的一匹]

Canard is only shows that the wings are insufficient to make the plane agile and its not a good sign and DSI is not super duper technology which can't be match with other design. ...............

J10b is the only 4.5 gen fighter that induct DSI, Canards could improve the agility and increase the lift of the fighter.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Then can the same be said about EF Typhoon, Gripen, Rafale and wait for it....the MKI....as they all come with canards.... one wonders why they have gone into trouble of introducing DSI into the latest toy....no not JF-17 but F-35.

I think the World best plane is F-22 right now... which do not use your super duper DSI technology...... i wonder ... some people do even know what DSI can do , and what other design can achieve the same without DSI also.

Yep right , Which India see SU-27 , india knows plane have less manoeuvrable , thats why IAF asked for Canard and make Su30 which is more manoeuvrable then SU-27 Flanker.

You should know before commenting why Canard used for. A canard foreplane may be used for various reasons such as lift, (in)stability, trim, flight control, or to modify airflow over the main wing.

Which means the main Wing of the plane is able to do the justification to the plane body and required something extra ....... no go happy ....

J10b is the only 4.5 gen fighter that induct DSI, Canards could improve the agility and increase the lift of the fighter.

lol Budy tell what is the use DSI and what DSI can do? .........yes .. If plane have good wings design which do not required Canards to do the job and same thing can be done without it also.

for your both ppl knowledge , The DSI can be used to replace conventional methods of controlling supersonic and boundary layer airflow.

which means the same result can be obtained also using other methods also.... DSI is not new, its 1990's technology.

If you make forward wing plane doesn't mean to achieved the wonders.

 

[帅的一匹]

Tejas's fuselage design is too conservative, it's already out before roll out the assembly line. DRDO wanna IAF swallow it, I show my sympathy to IAF. The fuselage drags, like a short pencil.

 

[Black Widow]

J10b is the only 4.5 gen fighter that induct DSI, Canards could improve the agility and increase the lift of the fighter.

Here come one more DSI Lover.. Yes sire, DSI made it super-Plane...

 

[Secur]

well bro for the last time im telling you that we dont need LCA as a first strike or air superiorty fighter against pakistan that job has already been reserved for jags , M2ks & Mig 29s backed by Mighty Mki as for LCA it will all its live fight under the shadows of big boys of the IAF ... good day sir

That might seem to you like a valid excuse, but availability of other aircraft isn't an excuse by any means, since the LCA project is different and independent of them all. That you dont need the aircraft might be something else, that you cant get it operational and bring it in service, is again very different. This is the nth report on the same news, hinting at another extension of deadline coming in near-future. Perhaps its time to return to the drawing board for now, instead of planning Mark 2 or 3 versions.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Tejas's fuselage design is too conservative, it's already out before roll out the assembly line. DRDO wanna IAF swallow it, I show my sympathy to IAF. The fuselage drags, like a short pencil.

we are not like PAF / china which field un-tested plane and then wonder why plane crashed and why didn't Parachute didn't open.

well its reaches the same speed your JF-17 can fly and also tell you it has thousands less rivets then JF-17 and it can make faster due to less joints.....

That might seem to you like a valid excuse, but availability of other aircraft isn't an excuse by any means, since the LCA project is different and independent of them all. That you dont need the aircraft might be something else, that you cant get it operational and bring it in service, is again very different. This is the nth report on the same news, hinting at another extension of deadline coming in near-future. Perhaps its time to return to the drawing board for now, instead of planning Mark 2 or 3 versions.

Well.... When IAF have the plane it will be battle ready unlike other plane which are not tested fully. Mark -2 is more advance then Mark-1 , so why IAF buy mark-1 in large quantity.

like PAF didn't buy Su-27 when learnt that india buying Su-30 ( more advance then Su-30). Plane are build of period of time and one over another.

 

[GORKHALI]

So even after 30 years in making, it's still suffering from teething problems, most aircraft complete their life span in this period..... gives a whole new meaning to next generation.



Perhaps they thought, Tejas is so reliable, there will never be an emergency for the pilot.

Sorry , for your short lived happiness:

https://twitter.com/x/status/518715461010067456

Develop an aircraft from scratch then only you know the real teething problem for pakistan aerospace industry if there any.

In Other news : For everything like licence production, we got Miggy ,Sukhoi and Jaguars since 60s. That's more than 50years back and you guys can't even produce 50 jets in 7 years.

Su 30Mki production rate : HAL - which delivered an impressive 15 fighters last year - says completion would be possible only by about 2019, a two-and-a-half-year delay from the 2016-17 target that was set when the contract was signed with Russia in 2000.

 

[Secur]

Well.... When IAF have the plane it will be battle ready unlike other plane which are not tested fully. Mark -2 is more advance then Mark-1 , so why IAF buy mark-1 in large quantity.

I am not aware of any aircraft serving with your neighbors which have been inducted without being tested fully, which is impossible in the first place. The one you are referring to implicitly, is combat tested and serving in the ongoing operations, switch to better and relevant arguments. Dont buy it all, if you want to make that argument, remember the second comes after first and the first is facing grave problems at the moment resulting in delays.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

I am not aware of any aircraft serving with your neighbors which have been inducted without being tested fully, which is impossible in the first place. The one you are referring to implicitly, is combat tested and serving in the ongoing operations, switch to better and relevant arguments. Dont buy it all, if you want to make that argument, remember the second comes after first and the first is facing grave problems at the moment resulting in delays.

Sir, JF-17 crashed and its parachute failed to open , was its Design fault in JF-17 cabin / cancopy or it was Safety Seat fault which is martin baker Zero Zero ejection seat, used in wold's most of the plane and have good safety record.

Can you please highlight if any PAF enquiry have revealed the fault line lies where? Unlike other world's AF which do enquiry and find out cause and make public and improve it.

 

[Windjammer]

Sorry , for your short lived happiness:

https://twitter.com/x/status/518715461010067456

Develop an aircraft from scratch then only you know the real teething problem for pakistan aerospace industry if there any.

In Other news : For everything like licence production, we got Miggy ,Sukhoi and Jaguars since 60s. That's more than 50years back and you guys can't even produce 50 jets in 7 years.

It's your own sources claiming and criticising and then others denying it.
So you think, JF-17 design was bought off the shelf, and don't give me crap about the input because Tejas had major input from virtually all major aircraft manufacturers/companies.
You merely started assembling or licence production of aircrafts which were already in service with the likes of Russian and Royal air force so basically it was just a matter of adding water, on the contrary after some prototypes produced in China, the JF-17 production was launched in Pakistan...... in any case, the experience gained by you over the last 50 years drastically represents it'self in the forum of Tejas.....which is only running 20 odd years behind schedule. ...... Bravo for your efforts.