For Pakistan: War drums just got louder at Yemen-Saudi border

[hussain0216]

Pakistan needs to use this golden opportunity

If we have to kill a few houthis to make Pakistan a more influential state in the GCC then so be it


Now is the time to make our terms clear and request concessions and utilise our experience to end this destructive war


Its in our national interest to expand our alliances and influence if we really care about Pakistan then what do we care about houthis?

 

[FaujHistorian]

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@FaujHistorian

Brother, you misunderstood my point. I was critiquing our Arab leaders for failing to do what is necessary. I find it pathetic considering our resources as hand. This is not about Arab or non-Arab at all.

it is useless to expect anything from someone who has been useless for a century.

I believe King Suleman and KSA are now miles ahead of any Arab leader at the moment.
Sort of lion among sheepal.

So there is no point in expecting that a lion will make friends with sheep.

Lion will roam alone or find a pack of lions to stabilize his territory.


In Yemen KSA doesn't need Arabs just because,
KSA needs alliance with someone who is expert in mountain warfare, and COIN ops.

Hope you understand.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

We have lots of potential. We should start offering jobs for research/devolpment military programs. Lots of crafty and creative people amongst us. I see that Saudi Arabia is moving this way, so is Qatar sort of. But Jordan, Egypt and the rest aren't. They prefer to remain traditional. In Jordan it's all about making sure royal family is secure. In Egypt, it's about securing traditional military run system/business. In Saudi Arabia before Salman it was also about royal family but with Salman I can clearly tell he wants to transform the nation. And is taking courageous steps that are out of usual norm. Which is good, it's what we need, drastic change that hits us in face but is good in long run.

The potential is endless brother sadly the lack of competent leaders, wrong priorities, lack of foresight, lack of balls to do what is right (there I said it again), silly infighting, outside meddling, wars, conflicts, lack of solidarity and unity etc. is hindering the enormous potential from being reached.

We need to look past ideology here. Our region and the future is at stake here. We will always bounce back because we have had it worse and the Arab world is eternal in this case until Judgement Day but we should not accept status quo.

I really believe that the fault lies mainly in the way that past and current regimes conduct themselves, the system and mentality it creates. We have discussed this so much but for now I will not criticize the rulers too much as I have liked what King Salman and his regime has been doing so far. At least initiative is being taken.

I really can't phantom this. We as Arabs (individuals) in the diaspora are so close as people. Regardless of sect, nationality, religion etc. I see this everywhere. An Christian Arab would take the back of an Arab Muslim and vice versa.
Yet our leaders, even those that have so few differences (take KSA and Qatar for instance or Syria and Iraq in the past) fail on almost everything and those failures bread a whole generation and a system that is inherited by newer generations who know nothing better. An endless cycle. Our brave minds and sane ones are either in exile, killed, marginalized or in jail.

I rather take initiative and then fail along the way (even several times) if that means that we get our house in order eventually. As painful as it might be and costly.
I feel that Pakistan has similar problems and enormous potential too that cannot be reached due to similar issues.

Now this is why it really gets to me when we have supposedly fellow Muslims, neighbors (Farsis) causing so much trouble in our Arab world when we are at the weakest.

Then outsiders tells us to forget everything and pretend that everything is fine.

This has little if anything to do with sect. It's just used as coal to light the fire sadly.

Now I wonder how the average Palestinian must feel. A conflict that seems endless and then to have fellow Arabs in similar trouble if not more at the moment. No wonder that many of us lose hope.

I thought about creating a forum on Facebook, Twitter or other social media where Arabs could voice their concerns about everything and if it became huge it might get publicity in the media and even be read by the leaders. Covering each country. We live in an era of technology and social media. We see how powerful it is to make political demands. We should use it as much as we can.

But then again, censorship etc. becomes a problem for locals in many Arab countries.

Whenever you think that there is a solution or something useful you get disappointed.

What is going on? How did all this happen? Was our parents generation really this much at fault? I just don't know anymore.

No offense to anyone but to think that our leaders are almost begging foreigners to assist them in Arab affairs would make our ancestors die of shame. The likes of Senegal of all people and countries.:facepalm: We should be the ones out there to help people due to our economic power, resources, number of people, history etc. It's pathetic.

I would want to see an joint Arab army be active in the Muslim world. I would like to see Arab soldiers fighting with Nigerians against Boko Haram for instance. Imagine the brotherhood this could create with Nigeria. So many other examples. I would like to see our soldiers hand in hand with Pakistani soldiers fighting against TTP and other terrorist groups.

I would like if our leaders thought about something else than their own small thrones. That they cared about our Muslim and Arab world, the people etc. Unfortuantely they don't by large outsiders what we see in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen etc. would never have happened.
When this happens we might be able to help others. Now we need to help ourselves before anyone else!

It's sad to see Arabs killing each other due to almost non-existent differences instead of cooperating and helping each other for the betterment of the region as a whole and the Muslim world.

I am quite frankly ashamed with the current condition. We have failed tremendously on the most important thing. Solidarity and unity among our very own people. How can we expect to do favors to foreigners if we treat each other like dirt?

 

[Falcon29]

The potential is endless brother sadly the lack of competent leaders, wrong priorities, lack of foresight, lack of balls to do what is right (there I said it again), silly infighting, outside meddling, wars, conflicts, lack of solidarity and unity etc. is hindering the enormous potential from being reached.

We need to look past ideology here. Our region and the future is at stake here. We will always bounce back because we have had it worse and the Arab world is eternal in this case until Judgement Day but we should not accept status quo.

I really believe that the fault lies mainly in the way that past and current regimes conduct themselves, the system and mentality it creates. We have discussed this so much but for now I will not criticize the rulers too much as I have liked what King Salman and his regime has been doing so far. At least initiative is being taken.

I really can't phantom this. We as Arabs (individuals) in the diaspora are so close as people. Regardless of sect, nationality, religion etc. I see this everywhere. An Christian Arab would take the back of an Arab Muslim and vice versa.
Yet our leaders, even those that have so few differences (take KSA and Qatar for instance or Syria and Iraq in the past) fail on almost everything and those failures bread a whole generation and a system that is inherited by newer generations who know nothing better. An endless cycle. Our brave minds and sane ones are either in exile, killed, marginalized or in jail.

I rather take initiative and then fail along the way (even several times) if that means that we get our house in order. I feel that Pakistan has similar problems and enormous potential too that cannot be reached due to similar issues.

Now this is why it really gets to me when we have supposedly fellow Muslims, neighbors (Farsis) causing so much trouble in our Arab world when we are at the weakest.

Then outsiders tells us to forget everything and pretend that everything is fine.

This has little if anything to do with sect. It's just used as coal to light the fire sadly.

Now I wonder how the average Palestinian must feel. A conflict that seems endless and then to have fellow Arabs in similar trouble if not more at the moment. No wonder that many of us lose hope.

I thought about creating a forum on Facebook, Twitter or other social media where Arabs could voice their concerns about everything and if it became huge it might get publicity in the media and even be read by the leaders. Covering each country. We live in an era of technology and social media. We see how powerful it is to make political demands. We should use it as much as we can.

But then again, censorship etc. becomes a problem for locals in many Arab countries.

Whenever you think that there is a solution or something useful you get disappointed.

What is going on? How did all this happen? Was our parents generation really this much at fault? I just don't know anymore.

Very well said. I agree Salman has begun an initiative which made Arabs raise their head high but it's losing momentum because other Arab governments don't want to heed it. This is because they don't know what will follow or how they will deal with it. Jordan for example, is already in a scary situation. It's took refugees from Iraq and now Syria. This helped its estate business. But it's putting more responsibilities on Jordan which at this moment is all humanitarian. Now if Jordan embraces Saudi view in Syria for example. This may force Jordan into political and military responsibilities. Which scares it, because it will result in instability which no one will gain from except militants. And after what our populations saw in Syria, they're very afraid of any kind of war and what it could bring. This is why they don't want to accept initiative. They'd rather be safe than sorry.

Now this is a problem because it limits us in every way. Besides the members of non state actors. Our people are too afraid. Not just ours but everyone else, Iranian as well. They don't want to see war. Iran doesn't mind sponsoring Arabs to fight other Arabs its people fear direct war. For us arabs, not sure if it's lack or faith, it's that and other factors. We really don't want to go through a difficult situation again but sometimes sacrifices have to be made. And restoration of faith is needed.

Sadly I don't know where we are heading, I believe Salman realizes we are very late and is trying very quickly to turn things around but I believe he will fail. Because other Arabs don't want to man up. And this will mean further chaos instability. With more non state actors, and maybe they will control the region. Let's sit back and see what they can do because sadly they're only alternative at this moment.

 

[azzo]

This Saif Arab idiot is extremely psychedeliced because majoriry of arabs include Egyptians hate Suadis extremely too much.

Only Shiites hate Saudi Arabia.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

it is useless to expect anything from someone who has been useless for a century.

I believe King Suleman and KSA are now miles ahead of any Arab leader at the moment.
Sort of lion among sheepal.

So there is no point in expecting that a lion will make friends with sheep.

Lion will roam alone or find a pack of lions to stabilize his territory.


In Yemen KSA doesn't need Arabs just because,
KSA needs alliance with someone who is expert in mountain warfare, and COIN ops.

Hope you understand.

Then I expect King Suleiman and other GCC leaders to give Pak an observer status at AL (which they didn't - meanwhile india is).. And also support Kashmir cause ?? (Funny even Yasir Arafat whom we supported never uttered a word on Kashmir?).

And also stop their princes n other ... Who break law and poach extinct animals and birds ?

And these are just the basic things!

If someone still supports fighting their wars .. I'd personally ask him to book a ticket to KSA or Yemen and fight for his homies instead of telling us what to do !

TC.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Then I expect King Suleiman and other GCC leaders to give Pak an observer status at AL (which they didn't - meanwhile india is).. And also support Kashmir cause ?? (Funny even Yasir Arafat whom we supported never uttered a word on Kashmir?).

And also stop their princes n other ... Who break law and poach extinct animals and birds ?

And these are just the basic things!

AL and OIC are just places to f@rt and drink Qahwa.

Real stuff gets done at GHQs of Pakistan and KSA.

What's your preference bhai jaan

Drink Qahwa or make decisions like men.

Very well said. I agree Salman has begun an initiative which made Arabs raise their head high but it's losing momentum because other Arab governments don't want to heed it.

Brother

It is not about Arab vs. Ajam.

It is about the right kind of military alliance regardless of ethnic origin.

 

[Aramagedon]

Only Shiites hate Saudi Arabia.

Only you hate Shiites include Iranians.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This Saif Arab idiot is extremely psychedeliced because majoriry of arabs include Egyptians hate Suadis extremely too much.

KSA is the homeland of the Arabic language, of Islam, of Prophet Muhammad (saws) and countless of Prophets before him, of the Ahl al-Bayt, of the Sahaba, of the most eminent Muslim dynasties and some of the most eminent Muslim warriors, the ancestral homeland of most Arabs, the land of Makkah and Madinah, a revered land whose territory gave rise to dozens of Islamic Caliphates, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms on 3 continents. The land which gave rise to many pre-Islamic Semitic civilizations as well.

What are you blabbering about Farsi troll? Egypt is our neighbor. Us Hijazis consider Egyptians alongside people of nearby Sham and Yemen to be our blood relatives and brothers on all fronts. We are 1 people. Our cuisine is almost identical, we share millennium old Semitic history(pre-Islamic and Islamic), millions of us have Egyptian ancestry and vise versa, our dialects are almost identical, geographic proximity, history etc. The list is enormous.

Indeed many Arabs including many local Saudi Arabians are against the House of Saud (regime) and Arab regimes in general but that has nothing to do with the land, it's history and the people.

I am not a fan of many Arab regimes but I would never Arab country x or y due to that or their people. Blasphemy!

Don't you, a hostile anti-Arab farsi, dare to write such bullshit again while there are Saudi Arabians and Egyptians on PDF and on this planet.

@Amir_Pharaoh @Frogman @Mahmoud_EGY @Kamal_dbk @Hell NO

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

AL and OIC are just places to f@rt and drink Qahwa.

Yeah sure they are useless .. So what's the harm in doing that?
Maybe they are more inclined towards india than "brother" Pak (which is the guy they call to do their dirty work).


Or how about issueing a few statements on Kashmir ? (Symbolic in nature to say the least)

Real stuff gets done at GHQs of Pakistan and KSA.

What's your preference bhai jaan

Drink Qahwa or make decisions like men.



Brother

It is not about Arab vs. Ajam.

It is about the right kind of military alliance regardless of ethnic origin.

My preference is my own country .. which is bleeding and not wars started by "brotherly" countries for politics !

As I said before would you go and put out fire in your neighbours bathroom (which he himself started) when your own house is on fire ?

 

[ghilzai]

Only you hate Shiites include Iranians.

Most Sunnis hate Saudis too, but you won't accept that because it's not something you want to hear.

 

[Falcon29]

AL and OIC are just places to f@rt and drink Qahwa.

Real stuff gets done at GHQs of Pakistan and KSA.

What's your preference bhai jaan

Drink Qahwa or make decisions like men.



Brother

It is not about Arab vs. Ajam.

It is about the right kind of military alliance regardless of ethnic origin.

We're talking about the whole regional crisis. Not just about Yemen. Nor anything about 'Arab or Ajam' , only you are.

 

[duhastmish]

Pakistan need to avoid others conflicts. This will be biggest mistake if they get involved in war.

Already too much shyt to handle. Why step into elephants poo.

Pakistan is acting like a desi punjabi guy: o Bhai tera Bhai ladega! Ready to fight for any other guy in street.

Change the attitude it's a diplomatic world.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Pakistan need to avoid others conflicts. This will be biggest mistake if they get involved in war.

Already too much shyt to handle. Why step into elephants poo.

Pakistan is acting like a desi punjabi guy: o Bhai tera Bhai ladega! Ready to fight for any other guy in street.

Change the attitude it's a diplomatic world.

Pakistan need to avoid others conflicts. This will be biggest mistake if they get involved in war.

Already too much shyt to handle. Why step into elephants poo.

Pakistan is acting like a desi punjabi guy: o Bhai tera Bhai ladega! Ready to fight for any other guy in street.

Change the attitude it's a diplomatic world.

Who asked you Indian ?

 

[duhastmish]

Who asked you Indian ?

Ok brother . Main to bass chini mangne aya tha aapke ghar.