For Paf: How To Invest The $270 Million Saved From The F16 Purchase

[Gufi]

I would say that they might have spent around 50 mil or less to do that job----. I meter larger wing----and other modifications.

need a new engine block, this plane is already underpowered. I want us to get out of the F 16 love affair, and the only way to do that is get a sizable number of jets from another country. We have this complex where we look down on what we make ourselves, and that will not change.
so to pacify the Air force, every cent from the air force budget that can be squeezed, every bit of cash that can be scampered from the budget should be put towards the J 10. Only when we get 2 squadrons plus will our dewy eyed obsession with the F 16 and it's sanction loving owners end.

Ah yes I understand the frustration you have when China does move close to India but don't worry you still have the Saudis (oh wait )

Handle Nepal before you go around lecturing other nations. Our relations with the Saudis are strong, and they will not be weakened by the efforts of India. Our links to the royal family, our sacrifices and our brotherly love will not decrease because of Indian influence. There is a reason they are our biggest importer of small weapons and it a country full of Pakistani expats.

See being part of the G20, Shanghai pact and BRICS (we set-up the Asian bank together) is hinting to you already that we are coming together on many global issues.

Yes, which is why you are giving your bases to Americans to use. Wonderful analysis, wonder what is left. They are giving you development projects because they want to earn money from you, and they want to grow their economy and reap the benefits of the Indian economy growing also. The amount of reserves that India has, it is very weird that they are giving incentives to others to develop their country and reap the rewards. The amount of return will be tremendous and the information gained about India and its working priceless.

 

[Al-Taïr]

Start producing J31 -- (minus) RAM & expensive composites. call it block 1/2 .. upgrade later.

 

[MastanKhan]

Start producing J31 -- (minus) RAM & expensive composites. call it block 1/2 .. upgrade later.

Hi,

Young man---it is a stair step progression---we have yet to master the 4 gen aircraft---then there are 4.5 gen aircraft---then the 5th gen----

 

[barbarosa]

I would like to say that if J10 c is not the alternative of F 16 then it should the alternative of Mirage 3 definitely.

 

[Al-Taïr]

Hi,

Young man---it is a stair step progression---we have yet to master the 4 gen aircraft---then there are 4.5 gen aircraft---then the 5th gen----

Sir, I am sure we can copy a heavily downgraded version of a barely 5th gen WITH OWNERS permission.

 

[zebra7]

I had a question does MIG-35 is available for Pakistan ?

This plane MIG-35 could be the answer for the PAF, replacing F-16.

 

[帅的一匹]

China second generation pod now is in production. It been mounted on J10b. Now J10b can give precision strike. Hah hah. China soon will export laser pod to Russia, as they can't produce a decent one yet.

I had a question does MIG-35 is available for Pakistan ?

This plane MIG-35 could be the answer for the PAF, replacing F-16.

Mig35? Even worse.

F16 is not allowed to attend Shaheen excercise with PLAAF, so PAF can't know where J10b/c stands compared with F16.

 

[war&peace]

@MastanKhan any update about BLK 4..... will it be an airframe upgrade ?

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir, I am sure we can copy a heavily downgraded version of a barely 5th gen WITH OWNERS permission.

Sir,

You will not like to hear my answer.

@MastanKhan any update about BLK 4..... will it be an airframe upgrade ?

If there is a BLK 4---then it has to have an airframe upgrade.

 

[_NOBODY_]

I had a question does MIG-35 is available for Pakistan ?

This plane MIG-35 could be the answer for the PAF, replacing F-16.

F-16C/D(Block 52) can beat the hell put of MIG-35 and if F-16C/D(Block 52) has AESA radar then MIG-35 is totally hopeless.

 

[his5850]

i don't thing people is understanding what they are talking about F-16 is not just 8 planes it is a hole fleet of planes 74 of them that is not a easy number to replace or you have to be stupid like Indians more of it later

1) I think most probable would be if F-16 deal from US will not break through then pakistan will buy F-16 from other country like we bought planes from Jordan and upgrade it like Pakistan did before and bought more spear parts

2) If pakistan buy another 4th generation plane it only add more cost then you will have 3 4th generation planes which are light weight and medium weight why would you want that and adding a new planes will take at least 3 or 4 years and PAF have to keep up with time 4 generation plane life is now is 10 to 15 year max after that there will 5th and 5th+ generation planes

3)J-10 is same as F-16 in dog fight most impotently maneuverability radar and avionic are match but there is one key difference is which is it is a light wright fighter and F-16 is medium weight fighter JF-17 is also a light weight fighter and it is a match for F-16 and will be more with new blocks then why we need a plane which will do the same job as JF-17 that is the same thing what Indian did they had SU-30 and LCA then why are you buying rafale you stupid idiots and now they can not buy more of them now they want to buy F-18 and they also have migs and they want to upgrade mirages too what????????????? that is just stupid
there is not single country which have more then 3 types of same generation of fighters now people going to say what about US and Russia well F-14 is phased out now they have F-16 and F-15 for air force and F-18 for navy 3 planes for 2 different roles and 3 different jobs and Russian Mig-29 going to be upgraded to Mig-35 and going to be used in Russian navy too and SU-27 and SU-30 going to into SU-35

4)SU-35 i understand it is using 5th generation system you want to keep up with 5th generation planes and it is heavy plane so that is that we will see if we ever get any one

5)what now i think we should not buy an other 4th generation fighter we should focus on JF-17 on new blocks after block 3 if we can make it bigger then we should and we should focus our efforts on next generation fighters

 

[MastanKhan]

i don't thing people is understanding what they are talking about F-16 is not just 8 planes it is a hole fleet of planes 74 of them that is not a easy number to replace or you have to be stupid like Indians more of it later

1) I think most probable would be if F-16 deal from US will not break through then pakistan will buy F-16 from other country like we bought planes from Jordan and upgrade it like Pakistan did before and bought more spear parts

2) If pakistan buy another 4th generation plane it only add more cost then you will have 3 4th generation planes which are light weight and medium weight why would you want that and adding a new planes will take at least 3 or 4 years and PAF have to keep up with time 4 generation plane life is now is 10 to 15 year max after that there will 5th and 5th+ generation planes

3)J-10 is same as F-16 in dog fight most impotently maneuverability radar and avionic are match but there is one key difference is which is it is a light wright fighter and F-16 is medium weight fighter JF-17 is also a light weight fighter and it is a match for F-16 and will be more with new blocks then why we need a plane which will do the same job as JF-17 that is the same thing what Indian did they had SU-30 and LCA then why are you buying rafale you stupid idiots and now they can not buy more of them now they want to buy F-18 and they also have migs and they want to upgrade mirages too what????????????? that is just stupid
there is not single country which have more then 3 types of same generation of fighters now people going to say what about US and Russia well F-14 is phased out now they have F-16 and F-15 for air force and F-18 for navy 3 planes for 2 different roles and 3 different jobs and Russian Mig-29 going to be upgraded to Mig-35 and going to be used in Russian navy too and SU-27 and SU-30 going to into SU-35

4)SU-35 i understand it is using 5th generation system you want to keep up with 5th generation planes and it is heavy plane so that is that we will see if we ever get any one

5)what now i think we should not buy an other 4th generation fighter we should focus on JF-17 on new blocks after block 3 if we can make it bigger then we should and we should focus our efforts on next generation fighters

Hi,

J10 is wrongly categorized as lightweight---it never started as lightweight----it started above that weight category---.


Sourav Paul, never cried over spilled milk

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although there is no hard and fast rules that distinguish the three classes the most general criteria remains the maximum take off weight (MTOW)
1>light - mtow <= 15000 kg
eg:
tejas ; mtow- 13200 kg
JF-17; mtow- 12383 kg
gripen c; mtow- 14000 kg

2.medium- 15000 kg< mtow<= 25000 kg
eg:
rafale c; mtow- 24500 kg
F-16 block c ; mtow -19200 kg
eurofighter typhoon ;mtow- 23500kg
F/A 18 c hornet ;mtow- 23500 kg
chengdu J-10A ; mtow 19277 kg
mig 29M mtow-22400 kg
mig 29k mtow-24500 kg
mig 29s mtow -20000kg
mirage 2000 mtow-17060 kg

3. heavy - mtow > 25000 kg, generally greater than 30000 kg
eg:
su 30 MKI;mtow- 38800 kg
su-27 sk; mtow- 30450 kg
F-15 C ; mtow- 30845 kg
F-22 ; mtow- 38000 kg
F-14 D; mtow 33720 kg
su-35; mtow-34500 kg
su PAK FA mtow-37000 kg(tentative)
F/A-18 E/F superhornet ;mtow-29937 kg(even though it entered MRCA competition as a medium aircraft,it is generally veiwed as aheavy class aircraft built to replace the F-14 D tomcat)

this analysis is valid only for fighters and not bombers where the MTOWs would be significantly higher

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-d...-medium-and-heavy-fighter-jet-combat-aircraft

 

[zebra7]

F-16C/D(Block 52) can beat the hell put of MIG-35 and if F-16C/D(Block 52) has AESA radar then MIG-35 is totally hopeless.

Dude Check this out

1. Mig 35 have a very big nose cone, which can have bigger Radar Antenna housed.

2. Mig 35 share the engine, not completely but many parts of the engine with the JF-17.

3. Aesa Zhuk ME radar is available from 2007.

4. Easier for the chinese to mate its weaponary with the Russian Radar.

5. Mig 35 is 4+ MMRCA.

6. Cost wise it is hell lot cheaper

7. F-16 C/D available for PAF don't have AESA Radar, Antishipping Cruise Missile, and Pakistan is bound to keep them to the specific base, with American technicians to handle the programable DIRCM equipment, and most likely will be hit with the stopage of the spares and support during the war time.

8. Its a rubbish assesment that F-16 C/D will kick the hell out of Mig 35, which not only have the new RD-33 engine with TVC, Digital cockpit, and if upgraded with decent internal Jammer like Italian Vergillus Jammer, and which have hell lot of firepower together with short take off, twin engine, huge fuel reserve, and high Power to wt ratio.

 

[his5850]

what u are talking about is Max. takeoff weight but i was taking about payload here is why there is a difference J10A is heavy plane it's Max. takeoff weight is 19000KG but payload is only 6000 but on other hand F-16 also have Max. takeoff weight of 19000KG but payload of 8000KG because F-16 is a lighter plane

If J10 B and C have the payload limit of 8000 and more then sure buy i will be very happy if we get rid of USA
can PAF able to mange it will it would be economic for PAF to add another type of planes these are the most impotent questions and one another point to add new type of plane require time of 3 to 4 years and different spare parts and training it will also add to the cost it is true we can able to produce spare parts for J-10 in pakistan but not from 1st day

 

[The Eagle]

Spent the money wisely, if can't have a big shiny sword no problem but at least let's have shiny daggers that not give wounds but could bring down the enemy with deadly attack.