For how long will you blame the previous government for your failures, PTI?

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Bhai ji, the tall promises are electioneering. We must remember, we selected politicians, not a Khalifah. BS and exaggeration is par for the course.

He probably will not achieve everything he said, but give it 5 years and at the next election look at what he has delivered and compare it to your other choices. You may be pleased with PTI, you may consider it a least worst option, you might prefer to select someone else. That is your prerogative. Unless they are destroying the nation through corruption, mismanagement or treason; judge them in 5 years at the next election.

I agree But I do see plenty of people who have got ready made excuse for everything ..I mean I have seen people defending the u turns of Imran and his killing of merit and other double standards .If you are sincere about ending corruption then you should also start it from within your party ..Read article to know what I am talking about

 

[BHarwana]

I buy your arguments . My objection is all about tall promises which was made before election at the expense of poor people who were desperate for change ..did they gave us any reasonable time frame to witness naya Pakistan? We are talking about policy making and early direction which party set in early days of their government when they have clear ideas about economy and governance... We did witness nothing but blunders and uturns so far.. It was easy to talk about ending corruption in 30 days/100 days and bring back looted money ..Implementation is hard part..Now everything is halal when it come to PTI whther its appointment of zulfi, justifying tareen or defending Buzdar and electable.. Why fool nation when it take plenty of years to see any visible change .. he should have tell Pakistani in his victory speech that when they will be going to witness medina like riyasat . Its seem easy for PTI now to do nothing and blame everything on PML9N) and PPP for next 5 years because people like @Indus Pakistan will give them 15 years before they try to judge their policy and direction . I am judging Imran khan as per his own tall promises .


Actually title of article don't reflect the contents of article...title may be wrong but contents are very valid

Title says it or not the title is there to set an impression so I had to start with it. I agree PTI should stop crying because it their time to deliver but one must remember that this shows PTI intents to deliver because they know they have to do a lot and they are not forgetting what got them elected.
PTI made the federal govt for the first time and has not left post election mode just relax in few months they will get out of this when things get into running.
Let them settle in man.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

We are idiots expecting the mess to be cleared overnight or even in a few years

Actually we are naïve who believe in Naya imaginary Pakistan . No such thing will ever exist . Naya Pakistan was just election slogan to secure victory in election .

 

[Kabira]

They have enough time to prove themselves. I doubt opposition is even thinking about getting back in to power now as they will face same problems. This is how it work in Pakistan.

First 3-4 years you go to IMF because no foreign reserves left. Luckily for N CPEC came through which meant power plants etc Then in last year you say good bye to IMF and spend as much money as possible to win election. You allow loss making feeders uninterrupted supply of electricity and circular debt triple in 1 year. Another huge mistake N made was keeping rupee intact at 105 when its real value is 130. Billions of $ spent to do that which allowed imports to increase manifold while exports declined.

If PTI follow same patern then next gov who ever it is in 5 years will be crying again. In fact things could get worse as this isn't sustainable forever. If next gov doesn't need IMF then it will be job well done.

Maybe PTI will learn from N-league mistakes.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Reforms take years

We have had decade's of economic mismanagement,

We are corrupt

Give the government one 4 year term to create a basic structure for reform
And a second 4 year term to lay a foundation

So thats 8 years atleast but even that might not be enough as government will need money to fix problems

We are idiots expecting the mess to be cleared overnight or even in a few years

Changing the fate of nations takes at least three generations. Most leaders never get to see the fruits of their efforts and they know they never will. They do it as gift to the future generations. The grand-children. It's like planting trees. You know when you plant a sapling the full benefits will accrue in decades when you might not even be around. Think of Ataturk and the founder of modern Turkey. The present generation of Turks are living it good. Ask them how they feel about Ataturk.

Then look at that miracle you see called China. Do you guys know that this miracle was 'planted' in late 1970s when I was still at school. The China then still tasted poverty and famine. Look at them today. It took 40 years but ask any Chinese here they will tell you the seeds of change were late around 1980 by Deng Xiaoping who died long time ago. But he was instrumental in making what is China today. He laid the framework for the Chinese miracle. After that the Chinese kept busy decade after decade working on that reform. Pm IK could be our Deng. Of course you can always dream of MR 10% or Mr Avenfield to come back and give you another 30 years of the previous 30 years circus.

Deng Xiaoping (UK: /ˈdʌŋ ˈsjaʊpɪŋ/[1]; US: /ˈʃaʊpɪŋ/[2]; 22 August 1904 – 19 February 1997),[3] courtesy name Xixian,[4] was a Chinese politician. He was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his retirement in 1989. After Chairman Mao Zedong's death in 1976, Deng led his country through far-reaching market-economy reforms. While Deng never held office as the head of state, head of government or General Secretary (that is, the leader of the Communist Party), he nonetheless was responsible for economic reforms and an opening to the global economy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

They have enough time to prove themselves. I doubt opposition is even thinking about getting back in to power now as they will face same problems. This is how it work in Pakistan.

First 3-4 years you go to IMF because no foreign reserves left. Luckily for N CPEC came through which meant power plants etc Then in last year you say good bye to IMF and spend as much money as possible to win election. You allow loss making feeders uninterrupted supply of electricity and circular debt triple in 1 year. Another huge mistake N made was keeping rupee intact at 105 when its real value is 130. Billions of $ spent to do that which allowed imports to increase manifold while exports declined.

If PTI follow same patern then next gov who ever it is in 5 years will be crying again. In fact things could get worse as this isn't sustainable forever. If next gov doesn't need IMF then it will be job well done.

Maybe PTI will learn from N-league mistakes.

 

[Super Falcon]

Its time for army judicery and govr collectively save the country with current pisition we are going to self destruct at emergency bases give death sentance to all corrupt peopke no evidance needed everyone knows who is corrupt and tell them one way out of death is giving back stolen money one example is enough to bring all money back now a common people dont have strength to pay extra on bilks for the last govt corruption we are already cash straped private sector employes are treated like animals no increased salaries etc

 

[BATMAN]

15 years ..
*Combined term of PML-N rule with NS/SS

What's the reason of your sympathies with Asif Ali Zardari?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Since 1988 Nawaz sharif and Bhutto/Zardari family have eaten Pakistan's flesh


We need Rupee to return back to 1988 rates 1 dollar = 18 rupee

 

[BATMAN]

For how long will you blame the previous government for your failures, PTI?

5 years for sure.

after 100 days they also have to start answering about their policies

Please share any link to their policy webpage…. i want to read.

 

[Nilgiri]

Pm IK could be our Deng.

Tough part (when comparing to Pakistan) though is Deng inherited largely a system where the landed aristocracy was pretty much wiped out (power wise, sometimes more) over a good 3 or so decades. He had good grain to make the bread with basically. The bread being deepset market reforms from the rural base that spurred things like construction etc ...away from subsistence farming... that in the 90s China could then deploy labour -wise in the economic zones.

It is all really about harnessing the labour market away from a very low bargaining power + low productive activity (farming) and deploying it to more productive activity. But the key thing needed is to break the back of those with vested interests in keeping agriculture flooded with too much labour (so the zamindars/power brokers etc have artificially highest amount of bargaining power vis a vis those they employ)...and rather have level playing field for all activity so market forces can be allowed to operate there (labour) like anywhere else (which in a nutshell was the masterstroke by Deng). Pakistan is plagued at a very intrinsic level by vested interests that hate the free market....there is a narrative that the current powerbrokers know whats best....rather than an interest in growing the actual productivity of people (which needs the inevitable erosion of the powerbroker/politician power in the national discourse).

Can I.K do this kind of thing?...and is it fair to place it entirely on his shoulders solely anyway (esp given top down vs bottom up argument w.r.t sustainability of such a reform)? I am leaning towards no for both (though I am willing to be proven wrong on it). I think things have to be hedged much better and in the end it fundamentally depends on Pakistani populace knowing what the hell has happened to them over the years....most still do not get it...and ignorance of the populace is a politicians favourite dream. This plagues India too btw to varying degrees in its different states.

 

[BATMAN]

View attachment 503833 Since 1988 Nawaz sharif and Bhutto/Zardari family have eaten Pakistan's flesh

During Musharraf era $=45PKR... that's crap data you have there.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I only capture facts

 

[313ghazi]

Changing the fate of nations takes at least three generations. Most leaders never get to see the fruits of their efforts and they know they never will. They do it as gift to the future generations. The grand-children. It's like planting trees. You know when you plant a sapling the full benefits will accrue in decades when you might not even be around. Think of Ataturk and the founder of modern Turkey. The present generation of Turks are living it good. Ask them how they feel about Ataturk.

Then look at that miracle you see called China. Do you guys know that this miracle was 'planted' in late 1970s when I was still at school. The China then still tasted poverty and famine. Look at them today. It took 40 years but ask any Chinese here they will tell you the seeds of change were late around 1980 by Deng Xiaoping who died long time ago. But he was instrumental in making what is China today. He laid the framework for the Chinese miracle. After that the Chinese kept busy decade after decade working on that reform. Pm IK could be our Deng. Of course you can always dream of MR 10% or Mr Avenfield to come back and give you another 30 years of the previous 30 years circus.

Deng Xiaoping (UK: /ˈdʌŋ ˈsjaʊpɪŋ/[1]; US: /ˈʃaʊpɪŋ/[2]; 22 August 1904 – 19 February 1997),[3] courtesy name Xixian,[4] was a Chinese politician. He was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his retirement in 1989. After Chairman Mao Zedong's death in 1976, Deng led his country through far-reaching market-economy reforms. While Deng never held office as the head of state, head of government or General Secretary (that is, the leader of the Communist Party), he nonetheless was responsible for economic reforms and an opening to the global economy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

The truly amazing thing is we live in a time where wealth is easier to create than ever before. We also have technology to make life easier than ever before. In 30 years time we could see a different nation if we maximised potential.

We have a huge workforce, we have natural resources, we have opportunity, we just need to grab it with both hands. Look at the success individuals have over the span of a lifetime. Why can't we replicate that as a nation. There should be a department for extracting maximum value which should be dedicated to helping all businesses maximise thier potential.

 

[xyxmt]

IF Imran can stop 126 billion dollars leaving the country every year he will succeed, dont ask me how and where 126 is leaving the country he himself claimed it in Dharma