For Fun: What is Maulana Fazl going to do after all of his deadlines pass?

[ghazi52]

 

[Sine Nomine]

It was all because of Kashmir issue.

Like before that imposture came for sit in,we were planning to attack IOJK and make those caged people free.

 

[ghazi52]

Yup very emotional

 

[PakSword]

Like before that imposture came for sit in,we were planning to attack IOJK and make those caged people free.

Bro, wars aren't fought in the battle grounds, in this age wars are fought at different fronts. One most important one is diplomatic. Pakistan has lost all its wars on the diplomatic front. This was the first time we had a upper hand until Fazlu started his campaign. People who follow my posts know that I am the supporter of offensive and "move first and kill" strategy. I have even started threads criticizing PMIK on his lazy approach. But, we must realize that in government and army have access to much more information than we have. They also have to carefully assess the outcomes of the war. What if we initiate and can't move an inch inside Kashmir? What if we initiate but later it becomes difficult to even defend our own part of Kashmir and GB? In that situation, we might have to accept LoC as international border due to the pressure of international mediators, which until now is still a disputed border according to UN resolutions.

I know one thing, PMIK and our armed forces are not cowards. There's definitely a valid reason behind not using military option for Kashmir. But even though I know for sure there is a reason behind this no offence policy, I will continue to advocate for the war option. That's my religious belief and have nothing to do with the situation on ground.

Now lets talk about Fazlu's march.

The agenda this time is extremely dangerous.. 2014 sit in was pure political move, while this is not. You can easily identify the agenda after going through the following points:

1 - Timing:

Black day on Kashmir occupation was planned on 27th October, while Fazlu, despite knowing this, didn't move an inch. Couple of days later, India effectively made Kashmir and Laddakh a federal territory.. Have you seen any focus on this issue by TV channels? No, because Fazlu effectively diverted all the attention towards his sit in.

Earlier this year, he announced that he will not celebrate independence day.. instead, he planned a black day on 14th August. Last year, he did the same.

2 - Providing material to India to counter Pakistan's strategy:

Pakistan for the first time in so many years have raised Kashmir issue. The whole world was talking about it. We effectively labelled RSS as terrorists and were exposing them and their hindutva ideology all over the world. Even IKs opposition talks about the effective diplomatic offensive against India in their private parties. What has Fazlu provided them with? Yes, similar colored mob with sticks in hand practicing, marching and saluting.. If you see closely and then watch videos of Saffron clad mobs exercising in India, you will realize that there are so many similarities between them both. Now if we tell the world that RSS is an extremist militia within a state which runs a parallel setup in India, we will get a response that so what, we also have similar militia which is ready to fight security forces in Pakistan.

3 - Affiliation with Darul Uloom Deoband

If you remember, we heard a statement from someone in Darul Uloom Deoband India, according to which Kashmiri struggle against Indian occupation is Haraam. This statement was meant to address Kashmiris so that those who follow deoband school of thought will divide and start thinking about staying cool under occupation. Have you seen anyone from Deoband affiliated madarsa effectively rejecting that statement?

It was after that statement that I started to read certain verdicts of deoband India, which seemed to be given in favor of Indian governments and laws. It seems that deoband madarsa in India is a tool of Indian government. I don't care what Indian deoband does, but I will be very anxious if our side of ulema just keep quiet.

It is a known fact that our deobandi ulema don't go against their Indian counterparts. In fact, it is very easy to make our side of the ulema believe that what they are saying is correct. I am sure that it is much easier for RAW to convince Fazlu through the use of deoband India, specially when money is also involved.

4 - Attendance of all the corrupt, anti Pakistan, Libturd, Mera Jism Meri Marzi, Feminists, Anti Islam people

Isn't it very surprising that those who vehemently oppose some teachings of Islam are also praising Fazlu? Mera jism Meri marzi gang is also praising Mallu Fazlu despite seeing incidents of disrespect towards women? Had this been a PTI dharna, and women had been forcefully stopped from entering, you know what these libturds, feminists, mera jism meri marzi people would have done?

5 - Indian medias coverage and support of Fazlu

It is the last nail in the coffin to be honest.. Indian media (unlike Pakistani one) is under full control of government. You will never see any channel in India going against government's stance on the matters of national security. Anyone voice that against it is silenced. Indian media doesn't support anyone who is dangerous for them, beneficial for Pakistan. Their support of Fazlu, and extreme hate towards PMIK, tells us that there's something IK is doing that's irking them too much. A similar behavior you will note in many posters here, some in ignorance, and some have an agenda.. A couple of posters, who say they are Pakistani and Muslim (but in my opinion they are not) are showing exactly the same behavior as you will see on twitter by Indians..

If you still think that Fazlu's dharna has political motives, then may God help you.

 

[Hamza913]

Declare himself as the reincarnation of Muhammad Ghauri and launch Ghazwa e Hind.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Bro, wars aren't fought in the battle grounds, in this age wars are fought at different fronts. One most important one is diplomatic. Pakistan has lost all its wars on the diplomatic front. This was the first time we had a upper hand until Fazlu started his campaign. People who follow my posts know that I am the supporter of offensive and "move first and kill" strategy. I have even started threads criticizing PMIK on his lazy approach. But, we must realize that in government and army have access to much more information than we have. They also have to carefully assess the outcomes of the war. What if we initiate and can't move an inch inside Kashmir? What if we initiate but later it becomes difficult to even defend our own part of Kashmir and GB? In that situation, we might have to accept LoC as international border due to the pressure of international mediators, which until now is still a disputed border according to UN resolutions.

I know one thing, PMIK and our armed forces are not cowards. There's definitely a valid reason behind not using military option for Kashmir. But even though I know for sure there is a reason behind this no offence policy, I will continue to advocate for the war option. That's my religious belief and have nothing to do with the situation on ground.

Now lets talk about Fazlu's march.

The agenda this time is extremely dangerous.. 2014 sit in was pure political move, while this is not. You can easily identify the agenda after going through the following points:

1 - Timing:

Black day on Kashmir occupation was planned on 27th October, while Fazlu, despite knowing this, didn't move an inch. Couple of days later, India effectively made Kashmir and Laddakh a federal territory.. Have you seen any focus on this issue by TV channels? No, because Fazlu effectively diverted all the attention towards his sit in.

Earlier this year, he announced that he will not celebrate independence day.. instead, he planned a black day on 14th August. Last year, he did the same.

2 - Providing material to India to counter Pakistan's strategy:

Pakistan for the first time in so many years have raised Kashmir issue. The whole world was talking about it. We effectively labelled RSS as terrorists and were exposing them and their hindutva ideology all over the world. Even IKs opposition talks about the effective diplomatic offensive against India in their private parties. What has Fazlu provided them with? Yes, similar colored mob with sticks in hand practicing, marching and saluting.. If you see closely and then watch videos of Saffron clad mobs exercising in India, you will realize that there are so many similarities between them both. Now if we tell the world that RSS is an extremist militia within a state which runs a parallel setup in India, we will get a response that so what, we also have similar militia which is ready to fight security forces in Pakistan.

3 - Affiliation with Darul Uloom Deoband

If you remember, we heard a statement from someone in Darul Uloom Deoband India, according to which Kashmiri struggle against Indian occupation is Haraam. This statement was meant to address Kashmiris so that those who follow deoband school of thought will divide and start thinking about staying cool under occupation. Have you seen anyone from Deoband affiliated madarsa effectively rejecting that statement?

It was after that statement that I started to read certain verdicts of deoband India, which seemed to be given in favor of Indian governments and laws. It seems that deoband madarsa in India is a tool of Indian government. I don't care what Indian deoband does, but I will be very anxious if our side of ulema just keep quiet.

It is a known fact that our deobandi ulema don't go against their Indian counterparts. In fact, it is very easy to make our side of the ulema believe that what they are saying is correct. I am sure that it is much easier for RAW to convince Fazlu through the use of deoband India, specially when money is also involved.

4 - Attendance of all the corrupt, anti Pakistan, Libturd, Mera Jism Meri Marzi, Feminists, Anti Islam people

Isn't it very surprising that those who vehemently oppose some teachings of Islam are also praising Fazlu? Mera jism Meri marzi gang is also praising Mallu Fazlu despite seeing incidents of disrespect towards women? Had this been a PTI dharna, and women had been forcefully stopped from entering, you know what these libturds, feminists, mera jism meri marzi people would have done?

5 - Indian medias coverage and support of Fazlu

It is the last nail in the coffin to be honest.. Indian media (unlike Pakistani one) is under full control of government. You will never see any channel in India going against government's stance on the matters of national security. Anyone voice that against it is silenced. Indian media doesn't support anyone who is dangerous for them, beneficial for Pakistan. Their support of Fazlu, and extreme hate towards PMIK, tells us that there's something IK is doing that's irking them too much. A similar behavior you will note in many posters here, some in ignorance, and some have an agenda.. A couple of posters, who say they are Pakistani and Muslim (but in my opinion they are not) are showing exactly the same behavior as you will see on twitter by Indians..

If you still think that Fazlu's dharna has political motives, then may God help you.

Our approach has been docile from start,it's been 3rd month,IOJK is under curfew,what we have done?
We can't beat Bharat on diplomatic level,you can mark my words,if i am proven wrong i would leave this forum on that.
Fazlu is nothing,he should have been arrested,the day he was making such call but we chose that imposture to come all the way into capital and repeat 2014 and show world that,we are politucally unstable.

 

[El Sidd]

Bro, wars aren't fought in the battle grounds, in this age wars are fought at different fronts. One most important one is diplomatic. Pakistan has lost all its wars on the diplomatic front. This was the first time we had a upper hand until Fazlu started his campaign. People who follow my posts know that I am the supporter of offensive and "move first and kill" strategy. I have even started threads criticizing PMIK on his lazy approach. But, we must realize that in government and army have access to much more information than we have. They also have to carefully assess the outcomes of the war. What if we initiate and can't move an inch inside Kashmir? What if we initiate but later it becomes difficult to even defend our own part of Kashmir and GB? In that situation, we might have to accept LoC as international border due to the pressure of international mediators, which until now is still a disputed border according to UN resolutions.

I know one thing, PMIK and our armed forces are not cowards. There's definitely a valid reason behind not using military option for Kashmir. But even though I know for sure there is a reason behind this no offence policy, I will continue to advocate for the war option. That's my religious belief and have nothing to do with the situation on ground.

Now lets talk about Fazlu's march.

The agenda this time is extremely dangerous.. 2014 sit in was pure political move, while this is not. You can easily identify the agenda after going through the following points:

1 - Timing:

Black day on Kashmir occupation was planned on 27th October, while Fazlu, despite knowing this, didn't move an inch. Couple of days later, India effectively made Kashmir and Laddakh a federal territory.. Have you seen any focus on this issue by TV channels? No, because Fazlu effectively diverted all the attention towards his sit in.

Earlier this year, he announced that he will not celebrate independence day.. instead, he planned a black day on 14th August. Last year, he did the same.

2 - Providing material to India to counter Pakistan's strategy:

Pakistan for the first time in so many years have raised Kashmir issue. The whole world was talking about it. We effectively labelled RSS as terrorists and were exposing them and their hindutva ideology all over the world. Even IKs opposition talks about the effective diplomatic offensive against India in their private parties. What has Fazlu provided them with? Yes, similar colored mob with sticks in hand practicing, marching and saluting.. If you see closely and then watch videos of Saffron clad mobs exercising in India, you will realize that there are so many similarities between them both. Now if we tell the world that RSS is an extremist militia within a state which runs a parallel setup in India, we will get a response that so what, we also have similar militia which is ready to fight security forces in Pakistan.

3 - Affiliation with Darul Uloom Deoband

If you remember, we heard a statement from someone in Darul Uloom Deoband India, according to which Kashmiri struggle against Indian occupation is Haraam. This statement was meant to address Kashmiris so that those who follow deoband school of thought will divide and start thinking about staying cool under occupation. Have you seen anyone from Deoband affiliated madarsa effectively rejecting that statement?

It was after that statement that I started to read certain verdicts of deoband India, which seemed to be given in favor of Indian governments and laws. It seems that deoband madarsa in India is a tool of Indian government. I don't care what Indian deoband does, but I will be very anxious if our side of ulema just keep quiet.

It is a known fact that our deobandi ulema don't go against their Indian counterparts. In fact, it is very easy to make our side of the ulema believe that what they are saying is correct. I am sure that it is much easier for RAW to convince Fazlu through the use of deoband India, specially when money is also involved.

4 - Attendance of all the corrupt, anti Pakistan, Libturd, Mera Jism Meri Marzi, Feminists, Anti Islam people

Isn't it very surprising that those who vehemently oppose some teachings of Islam are also praising Fazlu? Mera jism Meri marzi gang is also praising Mallu Fazlu despite seeing incidents of disrespect towards women? Had this been a PTI dharna, and women had been forcefully stopped from entering, you know what these libturds, feminists, mera jism meri marzi people would have done?

5 - Indian medias coverage and support of Fazlu

It is the last nail in the coffin to be honest.. Indian media (unlike Pakistani one) is under full control of government. You will never see any channel in India going against government's stance on the matters of national security. Anyone voice that against it is silenced. Indian media doesn't support anyone who is dangerous for them, beneficial for Pakistan. Their support of Fazlu, and extreme hate towards PMIK, tells us that there's something IK is doing that's irking them too much. A similar behavior you will note in many posters here, some in ignorance, and some have an agenda.. A couple of posters, who say they are Pakistani and Muslim (but in my opinion they are not) are showing exactly the same behavior as you will see on twitter by Indians..

If you still think that Fazlu's dharna has political motives, then may God help you.

and 12000 protesting Muslims are enough to throw off the most diligent of Imran Khans roadmap of Kashmir?

trump deal of the century is the same as musharraf vajpai deal.

which is rejected by Muslims.

 

[PakSword]

Our approach has been docile from start,it's been 3rd month,IOJK is under curfew,what we have done?
We can't beat Bharat on diplomatic level,you can mark my words,if i am proven wrong i would leave this forum on that.
Fazlu is nothing,he should have been arrested,the day he was making such call but we chose that imposture to come all the way into capital and repeat 2014 and show world that,we are politucally unstable.

I said in the beginning that I will continue to support war as an option, so on this point we don't have any disagreement whatsoever.

Regarding diplomatic offensive, we can win, however, it will take time. Our diplomacy on Kashmir was extremely weak after kargil war. No one raised Kashmir and this year's move of India was not just a plan of a month or so. They had been working on this for years.

We must support Kashmiris and stop self proclaimed mujahids from going to Kashmir and destroy whatever little we have gained lately. A single incident by a pakistani will paint the legitimate kashmiri struggle as terrorism. This much I agree with the government.

But not going beyond diplomacy is what I disagree. I expect this government will do something to supply enough resources and money to local IOK Kashmiris so that they themselves inflict heavy damage in India, and it attacks pakistan out of frustration.

Here I don't know what we are doing.

 

[Psychic]

Regarding diplomatic offensive, we can win, however, it will take time.

The sooner we get out of these delusions, the better.

People die, Syrians died, did anyone care? The world has accepted the rule of Assad. Similarly, no one will want to lose a market of over one billion over Kashmir lock-down or even genocide. National interest is always prioritized over human rights.

The world has fooled us for over seven decades during which, East Timor and South-Sudan were carved out of Indonesia and Sudan respectively. We are the willing fools, as we still believe or want to believe that diplomatic offensive will force India to give away prime real estate which it has held on to for over seventy years and through which, it can turn Pakistan barren; but we believe that bitching and moaning in front of the world is a better course of action all the while we are bled dry by Indian proxies. The rest of the world employs force to achieve its goals, we whine in front of the UN and believe that diplomacy will kick nine million soldiers out of the region. Whining in front of the world simply does not work.

The world didn't do anything on Palestine; Palestine, where the settler colonies are still considered illegal and where much of the world community supports the Palestinian stance; Kashmir is nowhere close as most of the countries has declared it as India's internal matter --- a lesson for those who believe in dip-lolipopo-macy

I expect this government will do something to supply enough resources and money to local IOK Kashmiris so that they themselves inflict heavy damage in India, and it attacks pakistan out of frustration.

The world will still portray us as a supporter of "terrorism." If India attacks, her attack will be justified by the rest of the world through statements like "India has the right to defend itself against terrorism"; the same happened during Balakot episode in case you've forgotten.

Its a dog's world out there. While India is allowed to get away with anything it does, the world has tied our hands to our back.

What option do we have left? The Aflatoons and Arastoos won't allow Pakistani citizens to help their Kashmiri brethren, don't support local Kashmiris but provide Intel to the Indian army about mujahideen activities and are too afraid to declare a jihad themselves despite a mammoth defense budget.
Wait for a change in demography followed by a sham plebiscite the results of which will be accepted by the world; the same world would then try to convince otherwise.
@Simurgh

 

[BATMAN]

designating any human as maulana /maula is kufr.
Please correct the title according to the Islamic faith.

 

[R Wing]

Not sure (3 - 7 days) but formula is simple: AIM for 100% but settle for something (appealing concessions).

Depends upon the level of funding involved. These guys are physically hardened, and can last long.

I shall admit that the sheer scale of this march surprised me. Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman was almost ZERO after the elections and this movement wasn't possible without considerable funding.

Weather is also great and they're having fun playing cricket, etc.

While the dharna gang is free to roam around Islamabad, wash, freshen up and spend the night in adjacent Masajids all over the city.

The Dharna that should have been Cordoned Off by Police to keep the JUIF crowd contained at dharna site is literally NON EXISTANT.

Saw a bunch of them heading up to Monal on the weekend with their flags in daalaz.

Nobody was security checked. Thousands of people and nobody knows how many are armed and if a few are wearing vests.

The following pic is the pain in proverbial back side of the sorry @rsed filthy Indian excrement troll here:
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Of which we have been able to successfully exploit (to the level of TTP damage or even a fraction of it), a grand total of...?

 

[Salik]

First of all there is nothing for fun. Fazlurehman has said that they are serious people and their crowd should be taken seriously.

Apart from that, where religious figures are involved, even if we believe that they are hypocrites, making fun is not recommended.

We can criticize. So the ground position is that the Molvi has expendables at his disposal. He will use them as per his convenience.

 

[PakSword]

First of all there is nothing for fun. Fazlurehman has said that they are serious people and their crowd should be taken seriously.

Apart from that, where religious figures are involved, even if we believe that they are hypocrites, making fun is not recommended.

We can criticize. So the ground position is that the Molvi has expendables at his disposal. He will use them as per his convenience.

Except your first statement, I don't agree with anything you have written.

There's no concept of "religious figure" in Islam. Either a man is a Muslim or a non Muslim.

I used to think like you until a few months back. You will see many followers of shaitaan disguised as religious persons, and many good ones with no cover of religion to hide them.

A man who leaves his followers when rain starts pouring, and spends his time in lavish accommodation, only to attend them for an hour or so, I don't consider him worthy to become my leader. Also, he is continuously lying and a liar is not trustable at all.

He is an Aalim though, means he knows more than us about Islam. But this fact puts more responsibility on him. That's why aalims (who didn't act on Islamic teachings despite knowing) will be in the deepest pit of hell.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Fazal should be in prison for treason, and his minions who set the trains on fire should be apprehended

 

[blueazure]

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