For Fun: What is Maulana Fazl going to do after all of his deadlines pass?

[The Accountant]

First of all there is nothing for fun. Fazlurehman has said that they are serious people and their crowd should be taken seriously.

Apart from that, where religious figures are involved, even if we believe that they are hypocrites, making fun is not recommended.

We can criticize. So the ground position is that the Molvi has expendables at his disposal. He will use them as per his convenience.

From where did the concept came that u cant make fun if religious people are included ?

One should not make fun of religion and religious topics but not related to other topics specially if someone is lying openly

 

[Salik]

Except your first statement, I don't agree with anything you have written.

There's no concept of "religious figure" in Islam. Either a man is a Muslim or a non Muslim.

I used to think like you until a few months back. You will see many followers of shaitaan disguised as religious persons, and many good ones with no cover of religion to hide them.

A man who leaves his followers when rain starts pouring, and spends his time in lavish accommodation, only to attend them for an hour or so, I don't consider him worthy to become my leader. Also, he is continuously lying and a liar is not trustable at all.

He is an Aalim though, means he knows more than us about Islam. But this fact puts more responsibility on him. That's why aalims (who didn't act on Islamic teachings despite knowing) will be in the deepest pit of hell.

Coincidentally except your last statement, I don't agree with anything you have written.

It is true that hypocrite will accurately be judged only in hereafter. Muslims have so many bad habits, they can't be termed as hypocrite en masse. Otherwise it will open the door for others.

Whatever this molvi is doing his pupils won't let him sit in rain or hardship. This is how their organizational structure works.

You can open a thread to tell what are his lies. We can have debate on that.

From where did the concept came that u cant make fun if religious people are included ?

One should not make fun of religion and religious topics but not related to other topics specially if someone is lying openly

Being religious originally means busy in seeking knowledge and implementing it on oneself. So a teacher or student is not supposed to be made fun of.

Lying by either of them doesn't seize their status especially when lies are subject to debate.

You can point out their bad habits. But can't target them by generalizing.

 

[PakSword]

Coincidentally except your last statement, I don't agree with anything you have written.

It is true that hypocrite will accurately be judged only in hereafter. Muslims have so many bad habits, they can't be termed as hypocrite en masse. Otherwise it will open the door for others.

Whatever this molvi is doing his pupils won't let him sit in rain or hardship. This is how their organizational structure works.

You can open a thread to tell what are his lies. We can have debate on that.



Being religious originally means busy in seeking knowledge and implementing it on oneself. So a teacher or student is not supposed to be made fun of.

Lying by either of them doesn't seize their status especially when lies are subject to debate.

You can point out their bad habits. But can't target them by generalizing.

Salik Bhai, there is no concept of "religious personality" in Islam.

There is a concept of muttaqi though, and you can be more muttaqi than him (and I believe you are in Shaa Allah). Taqwa has nothing to do with being an Aalim.

And everyone of us is an Aalim. It's another thing that I know less than you, and you have less ilm than Fazlu, so I am a chhota Aalim, Fazlu is a bara Aalim.

Regarding his jhoots, watch that episode of 11th hour, in which Fazlu and the gang got exposed.

 

[Salik]

Salik Bhai, there is no concept of "religious personality" in Islam.

There is a concept of muttaqi though, and you can be more muttaqi than him (and I believe you are in Shaa Allah). Taqwa has nothing to do with being an Aalim.

And everyone of us is an Aalim. It's another thing that I know less than you, and you have less ilm than Fazlu, so I am a chhota Aalim, Fazlu is a bara Aalim.

Regarding his jhoots, watch that episode of 11th hour, in which Fazlu and the gang got exposed.

Ok. Who is the biggest Aalim of all times? Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. No doubt about that.

One who tries to copy Him in one's dress code, hair style and daily routine automatically deserves respect. If one openly commits major sins, one would be sentenced. But still can't be made fun of because he at least tried to be like Him.

Now if lies of Molvi Fazlurehman are exposed, it can be taken to respective forum to seek justice.

But respective forum don't look very active. So we express our frustration here in this thread and forum.

 

[Asimzranger]

 

[SIPRA]

Like a scoundrel gangster and Ghunda.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Like all corrupt religious folks, this guy is probably a faggot, cross-dressing tranny who is also a devil worshipper.

 

[The Accountant]

Coincidentally except your last statement, I don't agree with anything you have written.

It is true that hypocrite will accurately be judged only in hereafter. Muslims have so many bad habits, they can't be termed as hypocrite en masse. Otherwise it will open the door for others.

Whatever this molvi is doing his pupils won't let him sit in rain or hardship. This is how their organizational structure works.

You can open a thread to tell what are his lies. We can have debate on that.



Being religious originally means busy in seeking knowledge and implementing it on oneself. So a teacher or student is not supposed to be made fun of.

Lying by either of them doesn't seize their status especially when lies are subject to debate.

You can point out their bad habits. But can't target them by generalizing.

Provide reference to your claim

 

[PakSword]

But still can't be made fun of because he at least tried to be like Him.

I consider him a munafiq.. this is the exact definition of Munafiq..

If one pretends to copy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), but his lifestyle is contrary to that and his demands too... he is a munafiq..

Daarhi rakhna aur takhnon se upar shalwar karna agar kisi ka taqwa zahir karta tou logon ko pehchanna buhat aasan hojata..

One who tries to copy Him in one's dress code, hair style and daily routine automatically deserves respect.

But if he is seen spreading lies, then he must be condemned and ridiculed.. in fact, he should be condemned more than anyone else because he is spreading lies even after pretending to be acting on sunnah completely.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Looks like Mulaana sahib is at the gay bar.

 

[Salik]

Provide reference to your claim

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him attended funeral of hypocrites until he was prohibited by Allah by the verse:

“And never (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) pray (funeral prayer) for any of them (hypocrites) who dies, nor stand at his grave” (9:84).

Among the Companions only Hudhayfah R.A. was aware of hypocrites as told to him by the Prophet himself. Besides that there are only signs of hypocrites mentioned in Hadith;

1. when he speaks he lies,

2. when he makes a covenant he is treacherous,

3. when he makes a promise he breaks it, and

4. when he argues he is wicked.”

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 34, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 58

So we can't definitely declare anyone hypocrite except doing a guess work. Fazlurehman might be lying but he isn't abusive. He has done an act of treason and should be arrested and punished. But not taking action against him and just making fun won't solve the problem.

 

[The Accountant]

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him attended funeral of hypocrites until he was prohibited by Allah by the verse:

“And never (O Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) pray (funeral prayer) for any of them (hypocrites) who dies, nor stand at his grave” (9:84).

Among the Companions only Hudhayfah R.A. was aware of hypocrites as told to him by the Prophet himself. Besides that there are only signs of hypocrites mentioned in Hadith;

1. when he speaks he lies,

2. when he makes a covenant he is treacherous,

3. when he makes a promise he breaks it, and

4. when he argues he is wicked.”

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 34, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 58

So we can't definitely declare anyone hypocrite except doing a guess work. Fazlurehman might be lying but he isn't abusive. He has done an act of treason and should be arrested and punished. But not taking action against him and just making fun won't solve the problem.

Man you are misinterpreting the ayat. Dont translate Munafiq. Munafiq is a specific religious term use to define those who are not muslims by heart but pretends to be muslim and munafiq is not equivalent of Hypocrite.

Hypocrite can be a person in any life.

Here the core reason of difference of opinion is you are applying laws on religious issues on normal day to day life.

No one is qualified to declare anyone munafiq except Allah but hypocrite can be declared based on his wordly dealings and its worldly status

 

[PakSword]

Among the Companions only Hudhayfah R.A. was aware of hypocrites as told to him by the Prophet himself. Besides that there are only signs of hypocrites mentioned in Hadith;

1. when he speaks he lies,

2. when he makes a covenant he is treacherous,

3. when he makes a promise he breaks it, and

4. when he argues he is wicked.”

Fazlu meets all four.. not just one.

 

[ghazi52]

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