FNSS revealed AV-8 PARS 8x8x8 designed for Malaysia in DSA 2012

[cabatli_53]

FNSS-Aselsan Pençe

Otokar Mızrak

 

[mehmeTcc]

Cabatlı, if i can become prime minister of Turkey, you will be my propaganda minister

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

cabatli kardes sorumu cevaplarsan memnun olurum merak ettim de

 

[Saithan]

FNSS and OTOKAR are two bloody rivals in Turkey and Undersecretariat of Turkish defence industry meets big difficulties to seperate the defence programs by those two institutes.

Step by step achievements,

FNSS opened biggest R&D building with hundreds of R&D engineers working on just land technologies to declare itself as Land vehicle excellence center, While Otokar opened one of the biggest Tank and Land vehicles test center of Europe.

Otokar produces Cobra vehicles for Turkish Army and Main Battle tank of Turkey will carry Otokar signiture, While Amphibious assault Bridge and Amphibious Work Machine program go to FNSS. Last year, FNSS awarded to develop a new 30 tonnes AIFV to be used for air defence missile programs.


Last years, FNSS signed an agreement with Aselsan to develop unmanned turret to be used on all Land vehicles of Turkey but Otokar didn't step back in competition and developed a new unmanned turret called Mizrak-30 as an alternative of FNSS turret.

I remember reading an article that it's not definit that Otokar is the one that is going to mass produce Altay, Otokar is the company selected to make the prototypes. Of course the chances of Otokar being elected to mass produce the tank is very high since they've already made some massive investments like the Tank testing facility and such plus the know-how they have on making the MBT.

But could there be something like a cooperation on the MBT where Otokar is responsible for the Main components and some of the subsystem could be delivered by others ?

cabatli kardes sorumu cevaplarsan memnun olurum merak ettim de

Don't bother derailing the topic, your posts will be deleted because they're off topic and in not english language.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Cabatlı, if i can become prime minister of Turkey, you will be my propaganda minister

It would be a terrible propaganda minister (really ruthless). ^^

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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[Cem_]

I like FNSS products more than OTOKAR.

Cabatlı, if i can become prime minister of Turkey, you will be my propaganda minister

That would be the end of Turkish Republic.. a true Doomsday scenario..

Ps: Mizrak Turret looks more advanced than Pence..

 

[Targon]

FNSS's main rival is also another Turkish institute in Domestic and International market. You know Otokar ARMA 6x6 and PARS 6x6 were competing with eacother in Turkey but As far as I know Tender is cancelled cause of changing requirements of Turkish Land Forces. Same institutes are competing in UAE tender as well.. Both institute exported their vehicles to international markets before being produced for Turkish Army.

Well Turkish army still using outdated btr series, replacing them with either Pars or Arma is a good move, I can't understand why its csncelled :/ may be because budget ?

 

[Cem_]

They should really go for the Arma with pence/mizrak turrets, it has higher protection level, units will be save against bullets/rockets and mines, we are suffering unneccesary loses due to poor armored btr's who can easily be penatrated even with 7.62 ak rounds.

 

[mehmeTcc]

They should really go for the Arma with pence/mizrak turrets, it has higher protection level, units will be save against bullets/rockets and mines, we are suffering unneccesary loses due to poor armored btr's who can easily be penatrated even with 7.62 ak rounds.

They should go with FNSS. Otokar already won the tank tender, the future of FNSS depends on armoured vehicle tenders.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

those old btr's are just for use in teror and protecting vehicles etc but we will get new ones for sure but the real thing we need alot of against terrorists is BMC Kirpi Armoured many of them , better than losing lifes of our soldiers than if it blows up and its strong and can resist mines

 

[Targon]

Yeah Kirpi could be the reason, they need it for protection so they take it as first priority instead of Pars or Arma I guess.

Btw anybody know that Turkish army still ordering Cobras ? how many of them in service ? any info about Cobra 2.5 and its introduce to Turkish army ?

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

georgia has quite alot of otokar cobras they look good and light but not obviously to carry many men and not that good against mines , we exported quite a bit on them

 

[cabatli_53]

They should go with FNSS. Otokar already won the tank tender, the future of FNSS depends on armoured vehicle tenders.

FNSS is developing 30 tonnes new generation IFV which will be a rival of German PUMA and British Cv-90 at markets. At first phase, Chassis of new IFV will be used for Aselsan Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun system and Aselsan Low Altitude Otonom SAM's and Later, 30 tonnes IFV will fill the gaps between 60 tonnes Altay MBT and 15-20 tonnes tracked Armoured vehicles...

Aselsan Self Propelled AA Gun turret

Aselsan Otonom Low Altitude SAM system

 

[BronzePlaque]

FNSS is developing 30 tonnes new generation IFV which will be a rival of German PUMA and British Cv-90 at markets. At first phase, Chassis of new IFV will be used for Aselsan Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun system and Aselsan Low Altitude Otonom SAM's and Later, 30 tonnes IFV will fill the gaps between 60 tonnes Altay MBT and 15-20 tonnes tracked Armoured vehicles...

Aselsan Self Propelled AA Gun turret

Aselsan Otonom Low Altitude SAM system

OFFTOPIC;
Cabatli, what will be the difference between Pedestal Mounted Stinger System ATILGAN and Aselsan Otonom Low Altitude SAM system?

ATILGAN;

Aselsan Otonom Low Altitude SAM system;

The main mission of ATILGAN, is the low level air defence of stationary and moving forward troops, convoys and tactical bases in the battlefield.