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Flying Into Dhaka- First Impressions of Bangladesh

As I gone thorough the old record I was astonished to see that it was policy of govt of pakistan to build every institution simultaneousely both in east and west pakistan.I am sure If BD were East pakistan then you guys would have been!
- Driving cars on motor ways
- Living in islamabad(at least two millions or may be more than that)
- Working in nuclear power stations
- Travelling in metro bus sysytem
- Flying F-16 and JF-17,
- Operating Agosta-class submarine(not used one ),
- Testing atomic bomb:flame:
- Testing Shaheen and Ghauri missiles,:chilli:
-Manufacturing mashak,JF-17,khalid tank etc,:victory:
- Receiving trophies of world champions of cricket, hockey, squash and snooker:nhl_checking:
- Not being killed helplessly by BSF on border:sniper:
- Not being trolled so easily by indians on PDF:rofl:
- Who knows JF-17 would have been built in Dhakka:yahoo:
- Who knows Atomic bomb would have been tested in Agarthala along with Chaghi:flame:

Pakistan would have been fourth biggest nation of the world with almost one trillion dollar GDP.But it was your decision.You opted to be part of a week nation rather than a nation which is atomic and missile power.:pakistan:

No thanks friend.

While Bangladesh has its issues. It's probably better off being an independent nation and forging its own course.
 
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Bangladesh was interested in economic development ? why was it a Basketcase for 20-30 years then ? All your people migrated to Pakistan . Even your TV/Film actresses remained in Pakistan well over 2000's .

We do not want a measly per capita growth rate of 3% like Pakistan, 6% is much better.

Not to mention you would have decent cities to live rather than living in 2 bedroom cramped shabby buildings . Or how about world class road infrastructure where you can drive from one place to another easily rather than breezing on Congo/Somalia like Roads ?

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD

2016

Pakistan $ 5249
BD $ 3580

https://knoema.com/atlas/Pakistan/t...s-National-Income/GNI-per-capita-based-on-PPP

GNI per capita based on PPP of Pakistan increased from 2,530 international dollars in 1997 to 5,580 international dollars in 2016 growing at an average annual rate of 4.27 % . From 2014-16 it grew at 4.5 - 5 % .


Pakistan did not build much infrastructure in BD but used mainly BD resources to build roads, bridges and cities in Pakistan during 1947-1971.:disagree:

Dude, due to massive underinvestment in BD during 1947-1971 and the destruction caused by the West Pakistani imposed civil war in 1971, BD had to pretty much start from scratch 24 years later than Pakistan.

It took till around the year 2000 for BD to recover fully and by that time it fell way behind Pakistan. Now in 2017, things are different with GDP/capita likely a shade higher in BD due to Pakistan's huge 210-220 million population compared to 160 million in BD.

Since GDP/capita is racing ahead at 6% a year in BD while only 3% in Pakistan, BD will keep getting more and more wealtheir than Pakistan as time goes by. And dont quote GDP growth as Pakistan has much higher population growth than BD and so not a fair way to compare using this metric.

Yes, Pakistani cities and infrastructure look better than BD and the average Pakistani is wealtheir as for most of the time since 1947 Pakistan has been wealthier than BD, but I think by the middle of next decade BD can match Pakistani infrastructure and personal wealth, and then will build up a lead due to higher GDP/capita growth.

So you see BD's focus on economic development is finally paying off and on a good side note, the money is finally being made available to allow a very strong conventional military to be built by the year 2030.
 
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I don't like comparing Pakistan and Bangladesh. It's stupid and petty.

But to echo @UKBengali's thoughts. I wouldn't be worried about Bangladesh. Provided the leadership isn't too corrupt (and that's asking for a lot) Bangladesh will be just fine. The potential is only beginning to be developed.
 
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No thanks. BD people are more interested in economic development rather than playing with guns and bombs.
We do not want a measly per capita growth rate of 3% like Pakistan, 6% is much better.
Anway, BD has a plan to create a very powerful conventional military by 2030.

Genuine 3% per capita growth rate in Pakistan is making wonders.
Fake 6% per capita growth rate in bangladesh could build only a slum I mean Dhaka,one bridge and one power station.
 
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Pakistan did not build much infrastructure in BD but used mainly BD resources to build roads, bridges and cities in Pakistan during 1947-1971.:disagree:

Dude, due to massive underinvestment in BD during 1947-1971 and the destruction caused by the West Pakistani imposed civil war in 1971, BD had to pretty much start from scratch 24 years later than Pakistan.

It took till around the year 2000 for BD to recover fully and by that time it fell way behind Pakistan. Now in 2017, things are different with GDP/capita likely a shade higher in BD due to Pakistan's huge 210-220 million population compared to 160 million in BD.

Since GDP/capita is racing ahead at 6% a year in BD while only 3% in Pakistan, BD will keep getting more and more wealtheir than Pakistan as time goes by. And dont quote GDP growth as Pakistan has much higher population growth than BD and so not a fair way to compare using this metric.

Yes, Pakistani cities and infrastructure look better than BD and the average Pakistani is wealtheir as for most of the time since 1947 Pakistan has been wealthier than BD, but I think by the middle of next decade BD can match Pakistani infrastructure and personal wealth, and then will build up a lead due to higher GDP/capita growth.

So you see BD's focus on economic development is finally paying off and on a good side note, the money is finally being made available to allow a very strong conventional military to be built by the year 2030.

Pakistan did not build much infrastructure in BD but used mainly BD resources to build roads, bridges and cities in Pakistan during 1947-1971.:disagree:

What are you even talking about ? Majority of our cities and infrastructure was made after 1990's . You are trying to hide your governments's impotence by blaming it on Pakistan . What's stopping your government to build planned cities , expressways , Bridges ? . Our first 6 lane expressway from Lahore - Islamabad was built in 1997 not 1960 . Islamabad was nothing more than a hill during 60's . Lahore started developing after 2005 . Karachi's skyscraper boom started 4-5 years ago .

Islamabad during 1960's and 70's

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Islamabad Today

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Karachi Clifton 1960's

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Karachi Clifton Today

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Our first Orange Line in Lahore to be completed this year (Not made in 70's )

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorways_of_Pakistan

Motorways of Pakistan (Urdu: پاکستان کی موٹروے‎) are a network of multiple-lane, high-speed, limited-access or controlled-access highways in Pakistan, which are owned, maintained and operated federally by Pakistan's National Highway Authority. The total length of Pakistan's motorways is 1010 km as of 4 February 2017. Around 3690 km of motorways are currently under construction at different parts of country. Most of these motorway projects will be completed by 2019.

Majority of the 1000 KM 6 lane's were built after 1997 not in 70's . So Name me that one wonder that we built of your money ?:lol:

As for Your concern about Islamabad this will be a good read for you as to how they maintain a very high standard of living there .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-trees-in-its-capital/?utm_term=.56d4d34901a7


In Pakistan’s capital, government leaders and residents often boast of living in one of the world’s “greenest” cities.

Islamabad, built in the 1960s and envisioned as a paradise for Pakistan’s governing elite, sits at the base of the lush Margalla Hills in the Himalayan foothills. Nearly every yard in this city of about a half-million people includes at least a few trees. Islamabad also maintains “green belts” of parkland that separate neighborhoods.

That success in maintaining Islamabad’s greenery can be attributed to the Capital Development Authority (CDA), a municipal body tasked with protecting the city’s beauty. Before anyone cuts down a tree in Islamabad, homeowners must first get approval from the CDA, which often denies the requests.

But the CDA is now investigating whether the U.S. Embassy violated one of the cardinal rules for living in Islamabad: Don’t touch the trees.

[After years of tension, anti-American sentiment ebbs in Pakistan]

On Sunday, citing unnamed sources, Pakistan's the News newspaper reported that police recently intercepted a truck that was “illegally” hauling tens of thousands of dollars' worth of trees from the embassy compound last Tuesday.

In an interview with The Washington Post, a spokesman for the CDA, Ramazan Sajid, confirmed that there is an active investigation of the matter.

According to Sajid, the U.S. Embassy recently requested permission to cut down 94 trees to make way for the next phase of an ongoing $1 billion expansion. That request was never granted, he said.

“Before a [no-objection certificate] was issued, a contractor hired by the embassy started cutting the trees,” Sajid said. “Those trees were loaded onto a truck and being carried away when the truck was stopped by police. The police took the truck and the contractor to the police station.”

In all, Sajid said, Islamabad police confiscated 13 trees from the truck. He said authorities are trying to determine how many trees have been cut down and whether the embassy deliberately violated the law.

“We have sent a letter to the embassy seeking more details,” Sajid said. “I can’t say whether anyone from the embassy was involved, but it’s a fact that trees were cut without [permission], which is illegal.”

A U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter, said the incident was limited to one truckload of trees. The official also stressed that U.S. Embassy personnel were not involved.


“We understand that a contractor associated with the construction of the New Embassy Compound in Islamabad attempted to remove one truckload of felled trees from the construction without the required No Objection Certificate, and the Capital Development Authority has since fined the contractor,” the official said in a statement. “The U.S. Embassy has not removed any trees from the construction site without a permit.”

Can you Imagine Dhaka's development authorities making a big fuss over tress with US ? :lol:
 
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Can Pakistan take credit for at least Gwadar port?


Ops I forget Gwadar was brought in 1958 with jute money :cry:
Why are u telling this state secret that gawader was bought by jute money.Now we have to listen this next 50 years.They will resonate this in whole world.May be they could ask for share in profitt.:rofl:
 
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People in Bd are swayed by the rhetoric of their politicians. Youths of today, specially the internet warriors, are ignorant about those works that were done in the east until it separated itself in 1971. It is just not true that nothing was done to develop east Pakistan. I agree that in terms of value these were quite less (like 60:40) than the development works in west Pakistan.

Nevertheless, there were quite a development then, too. If we compare the development works during the 23 yrs. of Pakistan time with those during the first 23 years of BD, I can say that there were less development during the latter period. Why our people should bring the examples of the period after 1995 and the current/future works? Post-1995 examples are not compatible with the present discussion.
 
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People in Bd are swayed by the rhetoric of their politicians. Youths of today, specially the internet warriors, are ignorant about those works that were done in the east until it separated itself in 1971. It is just not true that nothing was done to develop east Pakistan. I agree that in terms of value these were quite less (like 60:40) than the development works in west Pakistan.

Nevertheless, there were quite a development then, too. If we compare the development works during the 23 yrs. of Pakistan time with those during the first 23 years of BD, I can say that there were less development during the latter period. Why our people should bring the examples of the period after 1995 and the current/future works? Post-1995 examples are not compatible with the present discussion.

1971-1982 was a hard time for oil importers due to spike in oil prices
 
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1971-1982 was a hard time for oil importers due to spike in oil prices
The poor economy had not that much of effects by the rise of oil price during 1971-1982 period. Whatever it may be, BD failed to achieve in the first 23 years, what it achieved during the 23 yrs of Pakistan time.

1) Mohini Textile Mills was the only mill in BD after the partition in 1947. But, during the next 23 yrs. it built hundreds of jute mills, steel plant, paper mills, soap/cosmetic/detergent factories, cable factory, cement factories, TSP fertilizer factory, urea fertilizer factories, oil mills, dalda mills and many many others.
2) During Pakistan time, BD expanded its tea plantation area by many times.
3) Before 1971, it built in total hundreds of schools, colleges, Universities including Jahangir Nagar University, Polytechnic Institutes, BUET, Rajshahi Engg. College and others.
4) All the Zilla roads that connect all the then district and Sub-divisional towns were raised, built and paved during Pakistan time. Add all these roads, it is a few thousand km. in a water logged country. THere were enormous quantity of excavation and soil filling works that took a long time. But, it was done. This road system worked as an impetus for further economic development during BD time.

Development of a country is an ongoing process. BD is certainly developing fast. It is to our credit. But, to deny the achievements during Pakistan time is not a righteous thing to say.
 
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This was in the last year, in the current year -
Pakistan $ 5374
Bangladesh $4207
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=66&pr.y=6&sy=2017&ey=2017&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513,564&s=PPPPC&grp=0&a=

So in the last one year, Pakistan's per capita ppp gdp increased by only 125 dollar while Bangladesh manage to increase it by 627 dollar.In this rate, Bangladesh's per capita ppp will cross Pakistan within a few years.So what @UKBengali is saying is entirely legitimate.It is only a matter of time when Bangladesh will be a wealthier country than Pakistan even in ppp count.
 
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This was in the last year, in the current year -
Pakistan $ 5374
Bangladesh $4207
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=66&pr.y=6&sy=2017&ey=2017&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=513,564&s=PPPPC&grp=0&a=

So in the last one year, Pakistan's per capita ppp gdp increased by only 125 dollar while Bangladesh manage to increase it by 627 dollar.In this rate, Bangladesh's per capita ppp will cross Pakistan within a few years.So what @UKBengali is saying is entirely legitimate.It is only a matter of time when Bangladesh will be a wealthier country than Pakistan even in ppp count.

Depends which barometer you use . Trading economics has Pakistan's PPP at $5500 , Others have it at $5200-5300 . This is a problem with BD posters they take figures from World bank and confuse it with IMF . The one I quoted was from world bank not IMF . Both have very different figures when it comes to per capita . So you can only compare world bank increase with world bank not IMF its common sense .

For example in Knoema.com Pakistan per capita is at $5580 and BD at $3790 .

https://knoema.com/atlas/Bangladesh...s-National-Income/GNI-per-capita-based-on-PPP

https://knoema.com/atlas/Pakistan/t...s-National-Income/GNI-per-capita-based-on-PPP
 
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The poor economy had not that much of effects by the rise of oil price during 1971-1982 period. Whatever it may be, BD failed to achieve in the first 23 years, what it achieved during the 23 yrs of Pakistan time.

1) Mohini Textile Mills was the only mill in BD after the partition in 1947. But, during the next 23 yrs. it built hundreds of jute mills, steel plant, paper mills, soap/cosmetic/detergent factories, cable factory, cement factories, TSP fertilizer factory, urea fertilizer factories, oil mills, dalda mills and many many others.
2) During Pakistan time, BD expanded its tea plantation area by many times.
3) Before 1971, it built in total hundreds of schools, colleges, Universities including Jahangir Nagar University, Polytechnic Institutes, BUET, Rajshahi Engg. College and others.
4) All the Zilla roads that connect all the then district and Sub-divisional towns were raised, built and paved during Pakistan time. Add all these roads, it is a few thousand km. in a water logged country. THere were enormous quantity of excavation and soil filling works that took a long time. But, it was done. This road system worked as an impetus for further economic development during BD time.

Development of a country is an ongoing process. BD is certainly developing fast. It is to our credit. But, to deny the achievements during Pakistan time is not a righteous thing to say.
I gave you the reason for poor performance of Bangladesh from 1972 to 1982
oil prices spiked from $3 to $42. that put a damper on economies of all oil consuming nations
 
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Depends which barometer you use . Trading economics has Pakistan's PPP at $5500 , Others have it at $5200-5300 . This is a problem with BD posters they take figures from World bank and confuse it with IMF . The one I quoted was from world bank not IMF . Both have very different figures when it comes to per capita . So you can only compare world bank increase with world bank not IMF its common sense .

For example in Knoema.com Pakistan per capita is at $5580 and BD at $3790 .

https://knoema.com/atlas/Bangladesh...s-National-Income/GNI-per-capita-based-on-PPP

https://knoema.com/atlas/Pakistan/t...s-National-Income/GNI-per-capita-based-on-PPP
Knoema.com is bogus, have no credibility.I don't know, why are you so fond of fringe website like this.Stick to the IMF,UN and World Bank data.
 
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Knoema.com is bogus, have no credibility.I don't know, why are you so fond of fringe website like this.Stick to the IMF,UN and World Bank data.

I will gladly stick to world bank or UN if you stop overlapping GDP per capita of Pakistan . If you are talking about increase in per capita be consistent with same websites . You take one figure from World Bank and take the increase from IMF . Doesn't work that way .
 
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