Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

[Irfan Baloch]

We Turks should keep out of American politics. We may become their next target if they get too desperate for a new frontier. They will create millions of refugees with their adventures

their current experiment in Middle east has already done that.

 

[gambit]

The AR-15 is an 'assault' weapon.

The M-16 is the true assault weapon. The AR-15 is the civilian, hence semi-auto, version of the true assault weapon.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It is to US. The right to weapons is in our Constitution. If it is not in yours, that your prerogative. But as long as the right to weapons is philosophically guaranteed to US citizens, then your idea is absurd.


I make doctors sick.

Go see doctor huh?

now now

chill out.

 

[gambit]

You are a law-abiding US citizen who doesn't want to give up his right to buy, store, use weapons. But at the same time, you don't wanna feel guilty that your countrymen are dying because of you and the people like you still cling on that right. So, you keep creating excuses, try to prove that gun laws has nothing to do with mass shootings etc... to have a clear conscious.

Me guilty for what ?

Here is what you said earlier...

Actually no. I don't care if that man is a muslim or not. I'm not responsible for any other guy's actions.... be it sharing the same religion, race or country.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/florida-...d-and-53-injured.434579/page-26#ixzz4BTE3njNU

You insisted that you are not responsible for someone else's actions, therefore you should bear no guilt at all for whatever common things you may shares with him.

And yet, disregarding your own reasoning, you expect me to feel guilty for holding on to my Constitutional right, thereby sharing responsibility for whatever atrocity guns may have been involved in.

This is why the Americans on this forum do not take seriously most of the people here. You cannot even keep track of your own thinking, let alone a debate.

 

[-SINAN-]

Me guilty for what ?

Here is what you said earlier...

You insisted that you are not responsible for someone else's actions, therefore you should bear no guilt at all for whatever common things you may shares with him.

And yet, disregarding your own reasoning, you expect me to feel guilty for holding on to my Constitutional right, thereby sharing responsibility for whatever atrocity guns may have been involved in.

As a muslim, do i have any power to prevent that attack from happening ? No.

As a US citizen who believes in righteousness of the current the gun laws...do you have any power (even a tiny bit) to change the gun laws ? Yes, by voting you do.

That's the difference between your case and mine.

This is why the Americans on this forum do not take seriously most of the people here. You cannot even keep track of your own thinking, let alone a debate.

No one is forcing you to post, get into discussions with the people here, right ?

 

[Trisonics]

Social media is abuzz with a FaceBook account where the bomber identifies himself as Pakistani. I suggest we wait until more information becomes available. This account was created in 2015 and is currently taken down. This could be a conspiracy but who knows. Mods may delete my post if it's in appropriate for this forum. I got this on watzapp.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4nr519/an_omar_mateen_from_orlando_fl_had_an_empty/

 

[Viper0011.]

I don't think this incident is related with ISIS....once in a while in US, some crazy mofo sprays his machine gun over innocent souls...

As i see, this is the price you have to pay, for giving any kinds of weapons to US citizens without any constraint. Out of millions of people there will be some mofos like this and the previous ones.

This is not the first and will be the last incident with the gun laws you have.

So at the end of the day, its the US's fault? How about we didn't allow his father in....? Would this guy still be able to do this? HELL NO!!

People from Muslim countries have this amazing ability to never take even 1% of responsibility on their part. They are quick to blame everyone else but them. To me, this guy's father had posts on facebook praising his "Pashtun Talibans" ho are terrorists!! He even referred to his Pashtun Taliban movement as "they will liberate Pakistan". So he's siding with the terrorists. You think his Son isn't hearing, watching and getting influenced from this culture of supporting extremism???? Like I've said before, go bullshiit someone who doesn't have a working brain.

This is the crap he's learned in his household. Otherwise typical modern household children don't even know what Taliban are or what does the term even mean. I have a couple of Cardiologist friends from Pakistan. They are educated and modern. Their children are typical American kids, they like Cars, Bikes, Girls and everything else a normal young-man wants or enjoys. This is because their dads have raised them with tolerance to others. This Orlando situation right here, is a result of effed up teachings starting from home and spreading to a point of no return, sadly resulting in many human lives.

If he was mentally unstable, how come his dad didn't know that he used to beat his wife when the documents and everything else was going through the legal system?? How come the dad didn't try to interfere and ask him to help him with taking him to a Psychiatrist???? He didn't do ANY of it because he thought his behavior was "OK" and "Man-Like" like it is in countries where he came from, where women are oppressed by their husbands, etc.

Don't blame the third world mentality being at play here to American gun laws. We've had them for centuries and we've never witnessed this level of violence. Just in one year, we had a California shooter and then this effing idiot killed so many in Orlando. Blame the reasons and the upbringing he got out of his household where the Dad praises Talibans. Don't blame the American system who provided sanctuary to these fools and gave them everything towards a successful and normal life. Nothing they could imagine in their shiit hole Afghanistan where they came from!!

 

[Red-Bull]

Social media is abuzz with a FaceBook account where the bomber identifies himself as Pakistani. I suggest we wait until more information becomes available. This account was created in 2015 and is currently taken down. This could be a conspiracy but who knows. Mods may delete my post if it's in appropriate for this forum. I got this on watzapp.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4nr519/an_omar_mateen_from_orlando_fl_had_an_empty/

hmm, interesting

 

[gambit]

As a muslim, do i have any power to prevent that attack from happening ? No.

As a US citizen who believes in righteousness of the current the gun laws...do you have any power (even a tiny bit) to change the gun laws ? Yes, by voting you do.

That's the difference between your case and mine.

You still do not see your own flawed thinking.

If thru voting I can change the gun laws, then by thru speaking out and taking direct actions against Islamic extremism, you can change certain aspects of your religion. See how that goes ?

No one is forcing you to post, get into discussions with the people here, right ?

Yes, no one forces me to deal with flawed and even stupid thoughts. But because I am outnumbered by stupidity, I should at least try to reduce the effectiveness of some stupid arguments. Somewhat a Sysiphusian task.

I said earlier that we do not live in an intellectual and moral vacuum and that even biological acts must have reasons and justifications.

Why do we vomit ? The act of vomiting is the body's basic response to what it deems to be poisonous, whether the motivation is truly biological or psychological. Some might find eating insects to be so disgusting that their bodies considers the idea itself to be bodily poisonous, whereas some find nothing disgusting or even unusual about it.

What this mean is that the hatred for homosexual has no biological basis. That hatred is a LEARNED behavior and if it is learned, there has to be an intellectual reason/justification for it. We do not learn 2 + 2 = 4 for nothing. If there is an intellectual basis for hatred of homosexuals, then what is the source ? I do not look at my guns and somehow those objects via osmosis give me an urge to kill homosexuals, Democrats, Republicans, rednecks, communists, or Muslims. An argument could be made that if the method for mass killing is not available, then maybe I would kill a couple of homosexuals with a kitchen knife instead of 50 with a rifle. But that argument does not address the question of where does that desire come from ?

 

[Anubis]

How would you know someone is a 'maniac' to start ? What do you want to do, perform psyche test on the entire population ? You call Mateen a 'maniac' after the fact. After he killed. If you want to be called a 'Dr', there are things you must prove to current Drs. that you have earned the privilege to be in their ranks. Same idea with being a soldier, an athlete, a plumber, or an actor. But how do you expect us to know if someone has within himself 'extremist' religious views with intent on committing violence against those who do not shares his beliefs ?

Monitoring them...monitor the mosques..madrasas and the internet.

 

[ranjeet]

How some far right religious leaders (across the spectrum) are justifying/celebrating over this sad incident is disgusting. I mean it's arite you guys don't agree with their choice but celebrating their death is really pathetic.

 

[Sparkle229]

How some far right religious leaders (across the spectrum) are justifying/celebrating over this sad incident is disgusting. I mean it's arite you guys don't agree with their choice but celebrating their death is really pathetic.

Who is celebrating I am neither sad nor happy

 

[-SINAN-]

You still do not see your own flawed thinking.

If thru voting I can change the gun laws, then by thru speaking out and taking direct actions against Islamic extremism, you can change certain aspects of your religion. See how that goes ?

That's why i said (even i tiny bit).....for likening it. I'm not talking in the favor of extremist, for starters you may not support the gun laws.

Of course, nobody can expect you to change the system by yourself.

Yes, no one forces me to deal with flawed and even stupid thoughts. But because I am outnumbered by stupidity, I should at least try to reduce the effectiveness of some stupid arguments. Somewhat a Sysiphusian task.

Lol, i think the exact same way....but generally i don't complain about it.

I said earlier that we do not live in an intellectual and moral vacuum and that even biological acts must have reasons and justifications.

Why do we vomit ? The act of vomiting is the body's basic response to what it deems to be poisonous, whether the motivation is truly biological or psychological. Some might find eating insects to be so disgusting that their bodies considers the idea itself to be bodily poisonous, whereas some find nothing disgusting or even unusual about it.

What this mean is that the hatred for homosexual has no biological basis. That hatred is a LEARNED behavior and if it is learned, there has to be an intellectual reason/justification for it. We do not learn 2 + 2 = 4 for nothing. If there is an intellectual basis for hatred of homosexuals, then what is the source ? I do not look at my guns and somehow those objects via osmosis give me an urge to kill homosexuals, Democrats, Republicans, rednecks, communists, or Muslims. An argument could be made that if the method for mass killing is not available, then maybe I would kill a couple of homosexuals with a kitchen knife instead of 50 with a rifle. But that argument does not address the question of where does that desire come from ?

It's logical to go to root cause the deal with the problems. Not in these cases as you are dealing with illogical people. I gave different examples from the incidents of the past. All have different motives, that you will be able to fix. Yeah, take the method for mass killing from them. I don't think, you will be able to kill 50 person with a kitchen knife....maybe, you won't even consider because of the ineffectiveness of the act.

So at the end of the day, its the US's fault? How about we didn't allow his father in....? Would this guy still be able to do this? HELL NO!!

If you had killed Hitler's father, world shouldn't have gone through an awful period.

People from Muslim countries have this amazing ability to never take even 1% of responsibility on their part. They are quick to blame everyone else but them. To me, this guy's father had posts on facebook praising his "Pashtun Talibans" ho are terrorists!! He even referred to his Pashtun Taliban movement as "they will liberate Pakistan". So he's siding with the terrorists. You think his Son isn't hearing, watching and getting influenced from this culture of supporting extremism???? Like I've said before, go bullshiit someone who doesn't have a working brain.

I don't understand what you are talking about.... did i somewhat covered for this killer ? Tried to justify his act ?

If not, care to explain what are you talking about.

This is the crap he's learned in his household. Otherwise typical modern household children don't even know what Taliban are or what does the term even mean. I have a couple of Cardiologist friends from Pakistan. They are educated and modern. Their children are typical American kids, they like Cars, Bikes, Girls and everything else a normal young-man wants or enjoys. This is because their dads have raised them with tolerance to others. This Orlando situation right here, is a result of effed up teachings starting from home and spreading to a point of no return, sadly resulting in many human lives.

If he was mentally unstable, how come his dad didn't know that he used to beat his wife when the documents and everything else was going through the legal system?? How come the dad didn't try to interfere and ask him to help him with taking him to a Psychiatrist???? He didn't do ANY of it because he thought his behavior was "OK" and "Man-Like" like it is in countries where he came from, where women are oppressed by their husbands, etc.

Don't blame the third world mentality being at play here to American gun laws. We've had them for centuries and we've never witnessed this level of violence. Just in one year, we had a California shooter and then this effing idiot killed so many in Orlando. Blame the reasons and the upbringing he got out of his household where the Dad praises Talibans. Don't blame the American system who provided sanctuary to these fools and gave them everything towards a successful and normal life. Nothing they could imagine in their shiit hole Afghanistan where they came from!!

Like i said before. There had been other incidents before when crazy mofos killed innocent people as they liked, because they had assess to heavy weaponry.

Let's say that US banned Islam, deported all of the Muslims, all of the Jihadists within US and there will be no other incidents related to jihad related extremism.

Can you say that mass shooting incidents will cease to exist in US ? I say otherwise.

If you can follow the conversation here, we are talking about the US gun laws and their impact on the mass killings. Not about on the terror acts.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Appears to be isolated case of local Angry citizen

Interesting to note that the allegation of his allegiance was media created

Sometimes people have personal factor which a normal person cannot understand

 

[Mrc]

Social media is abuzz with a FaceBook account where the bomber identifies himself as Pakistani. I suggest we wait until more information becomes available. This account was created in 2015 and is currently taken down. This could be a conspiracy but who knows. Mods may delete my post if it's in appropriate for this forum. I got this on watzapp.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4nr519/an_omar_mateen_from_orlando_fl_had_an_empty/

I don't get any thing when I search omar mateen from my account.....

may be indian media going into another fantacy hyperdrive?