Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

[-SINAN-]

Of course we know that.

If the motivation is powerful enough, a weapon more powerful than a handgun will be created. Why do you think IEDs became famous in Afghanistan and Iraq ? The resistance could not fight against tanks and jet fighters, but they were motivated nonetheless. They had to find alternatives and they did. The Boston Marathon is an example of the civilian side of that.

Yet, they didn't create weapons...they only bought weapons like buying candies. Will they be able to create explosives, home made weapons which will pack the punch of a assault rifle ? I dunno, but i don't think, so.

What i know is, in Turkey we have gun laws, mofos can't buy military grade weapons, and i have not seen an incident where some alone crazy lunatic guy would create IEDs to kill innocents...it's the same case in most of the Europe afaik.

If motivation does not matter, then you cannot argue about 'crazy' people getting their hands on guns. Being mentally ill -- in the clinical sense -- is a motivator for committing violence. That is why in every incident you cited, psychologists were called in to testify, for the government and for the media.

Yet, pointing out the motivation of the attack solved anything ? Does it contribute to any kind of solution ?

 

[gambit]

did someone bring their religion into it ? despite current case indicating clearly he was an emotionally disturbed person ?

It is going to be tough to dismiss the fact that Mateen called the police and told them that he committed himself to ISIS. Last I checked, ISIS was not the defunct electronic payment app.

Being emotionally disturbed does not mean being mentally ill in the clinical sense. At least not at this time. If you need to take medications in order to live as normal a life as possible, that is being clinically mentally ill. Otherwise, whatever crime you commit, ideological, political, and even plain old criminal, motivations will be considered.

 

[Gibbs]

See post 386 about that 'assault' rifle nonsense.

Seen that comment countless times by the NRA types every time a massacre happens in the states.. Arguing about the technicalities of what a assault rifle is in a way trying to clear the guilt.. Does it matter how many rounds it shoots to kill innocent men, Women and Children ?

Like i said i see no diference from those that say it's a constitutional right to have guns to those jihadists that say it's their divine right to kill all infidels.. Both make use of archaic out dated laws/religious views to legitimize their claims

 

[Bratva]

It is going to be tough to dismiss the fact that Mateen called the police and told them that he committed himself to ISIS. Last I checked, ISIS was not the defunct electronic payment app.

Being emotionally disturbed does not mean being mentally ill in the clinical sense. At least not at this time. If you need to take medications in order to live as normal a life as possible, that is being clinically mentally ill. Otherwise, whatever crime you commit, ideological, political, and even plain old criminal, motivations will be considered.

Isnt it a classic case of seeking attention by emotionally disturbed person? Attention seeker checked, emotionally unstable checked. Wasnt 2007 and 2012 high school shooters were with the same traits? girls rejected them, they craved attention of people of their surrounding, extremely depressed and emotionally disturbed ?

 

[gambit]

Yet, they didn't create weapons...they only bought weapons like buying candies. Will they be able to create explosives, home made weapons which will pack the punch of a assault rifle ? I dunno, but i don't think, so.

In the Boston Marathon bombing, the home made IEDs came from rice cookers and they were powerful enough to either severed limbs or do enough damage to warrant amputations later in the hospitals.

What i know is, in Turkey we have gun laws, mofos can't buy military grade weapons, and i have not seen an incident where some alone crazy lunatic guy would create IEDs to kill innocents...it's the same case in most of the Europe afaik.

This is in YOUR country, pal...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ankara_bombings

Are you that desperate to regard US in so negative a light that you are willing to be that intellectually dishonest ? I guess so.

Yet, pointing out the motivation of the attack solved anything ? Does it contribute to any kind of solution ?

Sure it does. It contribute to preventative measures.

Seen that comment countless times by the NRI types every time a massacre happens in the states.. Arguing about the technicalities of what a assault rifle is in a way trying to clear the guilt.. Does it matter how many rounds it shoots to kill innocent men, Women and Children ?

Guilt from what ?

The laws says this and that technicalities on what make an 'assault' weapon or not. The majority of gun owners complied. So if someone is going to mischaracterize what they own, of course we are going to speak up on those technicalities.

Like i said i see no diference from those that say it's a constitutional right to have guns to those jihadists that say it's their divine right to kill all infidels.. Both make use of archaic out dated laws/religious views to legitimize their claims

Considering how many more Muslims are killed by Muslims using a variety of weapons, you are SOL in your criticism of US, pal.

Isnt it a classic case of seeking attention by emotionally disturbed person? Attention seeker checked, emotionally unstable checked. Wasnt 2007 and 2012 high school shooters were with the same traits? girls rejected them, they craved attention of people of their surrounding, extremely depressed and emotionally disturbed ?

The difference then is that no religion were invoked.

You cannot dismiss powerful influences like race, nationalism, and/or religion.

 

[Stag112]

RIP victims.

I support gun control, but that has nothing, let me repeat NOTHING to do with religious terrorism. If not a legal gun, they will find illegal guns, preasure cookers, fertilizer, dynamite, cars, planes, boats, knives, nails, ball bearings - just about anything.

To mix these two topics here is dishonest.

 

[gambit]

RIP victims.

I support gun control, but that has nothing, let me repeat NOTHING to do with religious terrorism. If not a legal gun, they will find illegal guns, preasure cookers, fertilizer, dynamite, cars, planes, boats, knives, nails, ball bearings - just about anything.

To mix these two topics here is dishonest.

We do not live in an intellectual and moral vacuum.

Everything we do MUST have a reason. We eat because of hunger. We drink because of thirst. We kill because of self defense, offense, or just plain old greed. If I have to use household goods to create weapons, there has to be a reason why I would ignore social conventions about items specifically designed to be weapons and make my own weapons. If I drill thru walls to get to a bank vault, the motivation that is money must be powerful enough for me to disregard thick concrete, alarms, and even armed guards.

 

[-SINAN-]

In the Boston Marathon bombing, the home made IEDs came from rice cookers and they were powerful enough to either severed limbs or do enough damage to warrant amputations later in the hospitals.


This is in YOUR country, pal...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ankara_bombings

Are you that desperate to regard US in so negative a light that you are willing to be that intellectually dishonest ? I guess so.


Sure it does. It contribute to preventative measures.


Guilt from what ?

The laws says this and that technicalities on what make an 'assault' weapon or not. The majority of gun owners complied. So if someone is going to mischaracterize what they own, of course we are going to speak up on those technicalities.


Considering how many more Muslims are killed by Muslims using a variety of weapons, you are SOL in your criticism of US, pal.


The difference then is that no religion were invoked.

You cannot dismiss powerful influences like race, nationalism, and/or religion.

This is the reason for me saying "Let's agree to disagree "in the first place....When i see people, i can easily understand that if we can come into terms in the end or not.

I can counter your post, and in return you will counter mine...., it is going to last for pages and we will still be at the different terms. There is no need for that, let's "agree to disagree" and end the discussion.

 

[gambit]

This is the reason for me saying "Let's agree to disagree "in the first place....When i see people, i can easily understand that if we can come into terms in the end or not.

I can counter your post, and in return you will counter mine...., it is going to last for pages and we will still be at the different terms. There is no need for that, let's "agree to disagree" and end the discussion.

I showed you that there are mass violence in your own country when you tried to insinuate none to make US looks the worse.

But you are correct. The US is a hellhole. Tell everyone to stay away from US. You can start with your fellow Turks.

 

[Stag112]

We do not live in an intellectual and moral vacuum.

Everything we do MUST have a reason. We eat because of hunger. We drink because of thirst. We kill because of self defense, offense, or just plain old greed. If I have to use household goods to create weapons, there has to be a reason why I would ignore social conventions about items specifically designed to be weapons and make my own weapons. If I drill thru walls to get to a bank vault, the motivation that is money must be powerful enough for me to disregard thick concrete, alarms, and even armed guards.

May be i did not phrase that well. I meant gun control has nothing to do with religious terrorism. I did not mean this attack had nothing to do with religious terrorism. It has everything to do with religious terrorism.

 

[Piper]

US will never give in to fear, bigotry, hatred as that is exactly what the low lives intend.

- Guns are not to be blamed here. Terrorists are.
- LGBTQ are not to be blamed here. Terrorists are.
- Islam is not be blamed here. Terrorists are.

And these terrorists and their sponsors are going to feel the white hot rage of USA no matter what hole they are hiding in.

 

[-SINAN-]

I showed you that there are mass violence in your own country when you tried to insinuate none to make US looks the worse.

But you are correct. The US is a hellhole. Tell everyone to stay away from US. You can start with your fellow Turks.

I never said that or implied that in anyway.

You are equating a terror act which has been planned and executed by a terrorist organization to a mass shooting done by a crazy US citizen whom acquired it's weapons from the local gun-shop.

It's like equating the 9/11 to kid who shot 7 people as he was jealous of the good looking guys....

Like i said, i can counter everyone of your posts. But this discussion is going no where.

You are a law-abiding US citizen who doesn't want to give up his right to buy, store, use weapons. But at the same time, you don't wanna feel guilty that your countrymen are dying because of you and the people like you still cling on that right. So, you keep creating excuses, try to prove that gun laws has nothing to do with mass shootings etc... to have a clear conscious.

I'm Turkish and my country is going through the hell at the moment. It's the least of my concerns what happens in US. I just wanted to give my opinion and wander of. Lengthy discussion was never my intent.

 

[Windjammer]

Yes, you are obliquely blaming the victims. Just like the rest who made guns the main issue.

As for your feeble defense about overpowering the hijackers, that is a recent development. What the hey...Not only are these homosexuals, they are infidels as well. So of course, they deserve to die. You are too chickenshit to admit it.

Must say , didn't expect that coming from you @gambit
Those innocent victims did no harm to me and sitting thousands miles away, they didn't effect or offend my ways or means....besides i have more so called infidel as friends than my own kind.....must say very disappointed with your attitude.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Mateen was not motivated to kill by looking at guns. Care to guess what motivated him ?

virgins motivated him.
not kidding.. a failed suicide bomber in Yemen who's belt blew up prematurely was torn apart from the torso and while on the road and still conscious, he looked at the people around him saying .. where are my virgins... wait you are not virgins. how bad is it? my feet really hurt.. (you can look up the video on the youtube).


current weapons legislation makes it easy to acquire weapons, I get it. but atrocities have happened in Europe as well with much tougher gun control (France for example, rest are mostly suicide bombers).

it was inevitable that gun haters will pounce on this opportunity and use the tragedy to enforce gun control.
A terrorist or a criminal wont be deterred from committing crime just because the weapons are banned.
this guy would have made some home made bomb or bought weapons from black market to commit this atrocity.

 

[bloo]

This guy has no criminal record and good citizen , crazy , creepy isn't it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/742025805350506496